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  1. St. Kilda’s first 100-point score in 1907 and first (and only) 200-point score in 1978 were both against Melbourne, both in Round 6 and both on unusually warm days:
    • the 1907 match was played on a day that reached 22.3˚C (second warmest June day ever)
    • the 1978 game was played on a day reaching 25.6˚C, which may help explain its record aggregate score since players probably don’t want to put on so much pressure in very warm weather
  2. The highest team quarter score for Round 6 is 11.5 (71) which has occurred three times, including in two second quarters against Melbourne (in the 1978 game above and by Footscray in 1941)
  3. Round 6 of 1933 saw North Melbourne become the first of the new teams admitted in 1925 to defeat Collingwood
  4. Two of the three longest sequences without a match won by the team scoring fewer goals broke in Rounds 6 of 1964 (271 matches) and 1985 (342 matches)
  5. Round 6 of 1928 saw Fitzroy kick its amazing score of 2.27 (39) - which is infamous as the poorest forward display in VFL history. The Age said merely that “Fitzroy continued to experience the worst of bad luck in shooting for goals” - hardly much praise to Geelong’s defence that pressured Fitzroy to 1.27 (33).
 
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Rookie coaches to be 0-6 after Round 6:

Coach . . . . . . .Cb Year P W L D Mgn Pcnt Fnish
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Damien Hardwick . .Ri 2010 6 - 6 - 385 49.1
Michael Nunan . . .Fi 1996 6 - 6 - 390 52.3 16/16
Dean Bailey . . . .Me 2008 6 - 6 - 362 54.3 16/16
Tom Arklay . . . . Ge 1944 6 - 6 - 302 57.0 12/12
Fred Froude . . . .St 1948 6 - 6 - 270 58.7 12/12
Alan Killigrew . . St 1956 6 - 6 - 192 61.7 11/12
Victor Upton-Brown Un 1913 6 - 6 - 174 63.4 10/10
Bert Sutton . . . .Ha 1928 6 - 6 - 210 63.9 12/12
Graeme John . . . .Sy 1973 6 - 6 - 234 67.6 12/12
Col Williamson . . St 1952 6 - 6 - 156 72.4 12/12
Royce Hart . . . . WB 1980 6 - 6 - 213 72.7 10/12
Damian Drum . . . .Fr 1999 6 - 6 - 160 75.6 15/16
 
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1) As of round 6, 2010 has had the highest percentage (11.5%) of goalless last quarters since 1966 (11.6%)

2) Round 6 2010. The 5th occasion where WB/Footscray has had the lead at half time and kept their opponent to 15 or fewer pts. but lost the match. Previous: round 4 1960 v Essendon. R6 1955 v Fitzroy. round 9 1952 v Fitzroy. Round 10 1927 v St Kilda.

3) Seldom the "Match of the Day":
The last time Nth Melbourne and Melbourne played a home and away match where they were both in the top 4 was round 7 1994. In total they have played just 5 matches where they were both in the top 4 at the time of the match - round 16 1949 (Nth. win), round 14 1950 (Nth. win) round 14 1958 (Melb. win) round 11 1959 (Melb. win), round 7 1994 (Nth. win)

4) Hawthorn now has had 6 scores including at least 1 scoreless quarter since 2001, the most of any team.

5) Geelong is currently the only team to have scored a century in their first round 7 match (16.18-114 v St Kilda 1897) and their most recent (17.14-116 v Sydney/SM 2009)

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3) Seldom the "Match of the Day":
The last time Nth Melbourne and Melbourne played a home and away match where they were both in the top 4 was round 7 1994. In total they have played just 5 matches where they were both in the top 4 at the time of the match - round 16 1949 (Nth. win), round 14 1950 (Nth. win) round 14 1958 (Melb. win) round 11 1959 (Melb. win), round 7 1994 (Nth. win)
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Fascinating, but obvious when you realise that apart from the late 1940s and 1950s, plus patches during the late 1980s and 1990s, one or other of those clubs was always near the bottom of the ladder.

It reminds me of the fact that during their tenure of 72 years together in the V/AFL, North Melbourne and Fitzroy would have played such a match only in 1958, 1979 (twice) and 1983. All but the first were stunning thrashings - most famously of course Fitzroy’s amazing win during 1983, but also the 1979 games, in each of which the away side won by over 50 points on rainy days. (They were on the same day as the two Footscray-Richmond games of 1979, which were similar thrashings only won by the home side.) In the first of these two games, Fitzroy, in conditions that were far from easy, kicked 16.12 in the second half. Allowing for the rain and slippery conditions, they must have played as well as they did at the Junction Oval four years later - which is amazing in itself. In the second, North, who had been disappointing for most of the season despite winning thirteen games from eighteen, switched into kickdown as the weather broke up and crushed the Lions by 67 points form they were to replicate for the following four weeks.
 

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mianfei said:
Fascinating, but obvious when you realise that apart from the late 1940s and 1950s, plus patches during the late 1980s and 1990s, one or other of those clubs was always near the bottom of the ladder.

It reminds me of the fact that during their tenure of 72 years together in the V/AFL, North Melbourne and Fitzroy would have played such a match only in 1958, 1979 (twice) and 1983. All but the first were stunning thrashings - most famously of course Fitzroy’s amazing win during 1983, but also the 1979 games, in each of which the away side won by over 50 points on rainy days. (They were on the same day as the two Footscray-Richmond games of 1979, which were similar thrashings only won by the home side.) In the first of these two games, Fitzroy, in conditions that were far from easy, kicked 16.12 in the second half. Allowing for the rain and slippery conditions, they must have played as well as they did at the Junction Oval four years later - which is amazing in itself. In the second, North, who had been disappointing for most of the season despite winning thirteen games from eighteen, switched into kickdown as the weather broke up and crushed the Lions by 67 points form they were to replicate for the following four weeks.
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Fitzroy and Nth Melbourne had actually managed a couple of meetings when both were in the top 4 prior to 1958.

Fitzroy were 4th on the ladder and Nth Melbourne 3rd when they met in round 11 of the 1949 season. Nth's win tipped Fitzroy out of the top 4 and they never got back in.

The had also met previously with Fitzroy 4th and Nth 3rd in 1942 but that was only in round 2.

Perhaps the least likely candidates for 'match of the day' were Fitzroy and Hawthorn in the years that they competed together.

Although they met in 2 finals (1983, 1986) Fitzroy and Hawthorn only had 2 home and away meetings where both were in the top 4, round 7 1958 and round 12 1983.

In the same period (1925-1996) Carlton and Collingwood had 39.
 
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RogersResults said:
Fitzroy and North Melbourne had actually managed a couple of meetings when both were in the top 4 prior to 1958.

Fitzroy were fourth on the ladder and North Melbourne third when they met in round 11 of the 1949 season. North's win tipped Fitzroy out of the top 4 and they never got back in.

The had also met previously with Fitzroy fourth and North third in 1942 but that was only in round 2.

Perhaps the least likely candidates for 'match of the day' were Fitzroy and Hawthorn in the years that they competed together.

Although they met in two finals (1983, 1986) Fitzroy and Hawthorn only had two home and away meetings where both were in the top 4, round 7 1958 and round 12 1983.

In the same period (1925-1996) Carlton and Collingwood had 39.
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That surprises me. I had assumed in 1949 that Fitzroy’s thrashing by Richmond in Round 7 of 1949 would have driven them out of the top four, or at least their Round 9 loss to Melbourne would have.

With Fitzroy and Hawthorn, I had thought that their Round 7 meeting in 1979 (where Hawthorn kicked 16 behinds before their first goal) would have been a game with both in the top five - as they would have had to be to make the finals. Then there was their Round 5 meeting in 1986, when Fitzroy became the first team to defeat Hawthorn and was part of a interesting quartet of Round 5 matches by Hawthorn during its golden era, and Round 6 a year later, which was the first special Sunday game ever despite both having lost the previous week.

The 1983 game certainly was as critical as Fitzroy’s astonishing win over North Melbourne the following week in determining the premiership. It was not only that the Lions’ loss decided who would finish on top of the ladder, but that, as The Age said, “Hawthorn was at its most dangerous when aroused by its five losses in seven games” and that it “broke down everything Fitzroy had accomplished.” Hawthorn’s two injured ruckmen (Paton and McCarthy) minimised the influence of Rendell who was to do such astonishing things the following week. The Lions, too, made the mistake of altering a winning backline, moving Hinchen to cover Buckenara and Pert to a forward pocket, replacing them with Richard Osborne and Clayton (who one would expect to have minded Buckenara). Garry Wilson could not rove because he was half-fit, too. Nonetheless, Hawthorn’s power-packed performance got them on track for seven wins on end, and apart from successive losses to a rebounding Essendon and Carlton they were never beaten after the Round 12 game.

(The attendance of 20,599 for the game is low even for Princes Park, which could hold 30,000, and shows how these clubs had never built huge followings).
 
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Most team changes in first seven rounds of a season:

Ch Cb Year
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33 St 1898
33 Sy 1958
33 Fi 1991
32 Co 1976
32 Sy 1993
31 St 1910
31 St 1911
31 Fi 1928
31 Ca 1978
30 Ca 1902
30 Es 1914
30 Me 1932
30 St 1955
30 Fi 1990
29 Ha 1927
29 Ri 1947
29 Ge 1958
29 WB 1981
29 Ri 2010*

* Only if White & Webberley make the final 22
 
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Ron The Bear said:
Most team changes in first seven rounds of a season:

Ch Cb Year
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31 Ca 1978
29 Ri 1947
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Those seem noteworthy because the reams involved actually made the finals. Almost all the others struggled immensely all year, though apart from St. Kilda in 1898 none failed entirely to win a game. South and Geelong in 1958 and Collingwood in 1976 had already won two games by Round 7, whilst Essendon in 1914 were the last time they challenged the leading teams before moving to Windy Hill in 1922. They thrashed eventual runners-up South Melbourne by 70 points in round 13.

Some interesting facts about Round 7:

  1. Geelong have twice scored 100 points in each half of a game in Round 7 (in 1989 against St. Kilda and 1992 against Brisbane).
    1. Geelong and Hawthorn are the only teams to have scored 100 points in each half of a game: Geelong having done so three times and Hawthorn twice - with all five cases occurring between Round 7, 1989 and Round 20, 1992
  2. Melbourne did not meet St. Kilda on Round 7 until 1983, and Collingwood did not meet Hawthorn on Round 7 until 1990.
  3. The lowest score by Adelaide was 4.7 (31) on Round 7 of 1991 against St. Kilda - in fact the lowest score ever against St. Kilda on Round 7!
  4. In Round 7 of 1915 three games out of four were decided by exactly two points. This ranks with Round 13 of 1938 and 1960 as the most exciting round in history.
  5. The last time the season’s lowest score was kicked on Round 7 was in 1948: 3.10 (28) by South Melbourne against Footscray. The only other cases have been in 1941 (4.12 by Fitzroy against Essendon) and 1903 (Carlton 1.2 against Melbourne)
 
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Most fairest and best medals across all three grades


(Brownlows Gardiners Morrishes TOTAL)
Melbourne 7 11 7 25
Footscray 10 10 4 24
South/Sydney 13 3 6 22
North Melbourne 5 7 10 22
Essendon 8 7 5 20
St Kilda 10 5 2 17
Geelong 6 10 1 17
Hawthorn 4 10 2 16
Fitzroy 8 3 4 15
Collingwood 7 7 1 15
Richmond 5 6 3 14
Carlton 4 3 7 14

  • Between 1974 and 2000, North Melbourne only missed playing in a grand final at some level (Day, Night, Reserves, Under 19) in 1981, 1992 and 1997.
  • Most minor premierships coached is 9 by Jock McHale with Collingwood (1915, 1917, 1919, 1922, 1926-1930).
  • Most goals in a season by a left footer is 111 by Peter Sumich of West Coast in 1991.
  • Most successive finals games played without winning a premiership is 51 by Collingwood between 1959 and 1990.
 
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worbud,

fascinating list of medallists. It is surprising that some of the most successful clubs have had the fewest medallists. It may reflect the fact that before about 1975, it was very common for weak teams to win medals because their few quality players could stand out more obviously to umpires. That explains how, for instance:
  • in 1932, Fitzroy with only three wins had more total Brownlow votes than any other club
  • in 1950, North Melbourne with 13 wins had the fourth-fewest votes
Some notable facts that you might not know:
  1. in more than half of all V/AFL seasons (61 of 113), the lowest goal tally has been 2 or 3
  2. Collingwood did not concede a century score in its first 260 VFL games, after which it became the second side after St. Kilda to concede 20 goals (Essendon kicked 21.12)
  3. Richmond did not concede 20 goals in a match until the penultimate round of 1938 against Geelong
  4. Melbourne did not concede a century score in 164 games from Round 1, 1955 to Round 4, 1963
  5. In Round 9 of 1996, Essendon led with fewer goals against Melbourne at every change. This is the only such case in V/AFL history
 
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Tyson Edwards and Andrew McLeod, two teammates who famously hate each other, have played more games together than any other teammates in league history (304).
 
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  1. Fitzroy are both the last team to make the finals without scoring a century (in 1952) and the last to win the premiership without scoring a century (in 1922)
  2. The last team to fail to kick a century score in a season was North Melbourne in 1972
  3. Fremantle’s win over Brisbane this round was the first time since 2007 that a team had won by twelve or more behinds when the goal tallies were equal, and only the sixth since the eighth round of 1988.
  4. The eighth round of 1948 was the only occasion Hawthorn conceded the round’s lowest score between Round 1, 1942 and Round 7, 1954
  5. Round 1 and Round 5 of 1921, Round 16 of 1964, Round 2 of 1968, and Round 5 of 2008 (equal with Hawthorn in another match) are the only occasions when a drawn match has provided the two highest scores of the round.
 
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  1. Geelong's win over Sydney in round 7 was one of only 85 matches where the winning team won each subsequent quarter by more pts than the previous. The first since Essendon defeated Carlton round 13 2009 (the only occurrence in 2009) and Geelong's first since round 1 1996 v Melbourne. Only the 2nd time that Sydney/SM has lost such a match since 1988.

  2. Geelong's win also gave them on percentage, the best result from 100 consecutive matches in the club's history. Round 5 2006 - round 7 2010, 78 wins, 21 losses, 1 draw, 136.47%. Previous: Round 5 1951 - round 2 1956, 78 wins, 21 losses, 1 draw, 134.60%.

  3. Round 7 was the first time that Collingwood has won 4 consecutive matches by 50 points or more.

  4. In the last 12 matches only Richmond has a lower points for than St Kilda.

  5. Collingwood's result after 7 matches is their best since 1981.


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  1. During Round 8 of 1938, the League played a morning match between St. Kilda and Essendon (moved ahead from Round 12) at the Junction Oval. It has never done so since (though at times I think why not in this age of global warming and the need to reduce greenhouse emissions, as it would use less energy and provide cooler weather!)
  2. Except for one year from 1992 to 1993, the highest score in Round 8 has always been by a non-finalist since 1934 (Essendon against North from 1934 to 1991 and Brisbane against Sydney since 1993
  3. Round 8 of 1952 saw Footscray defender Wally Donald score his only goal in 205 games - one week before his 100th game!
  4. That same round saw games for premiership points played in rural Australia (at Yallourn in the above-mentioned game, Albury and Euroa) for the only time in V/AFL history. (Disastrous floods and the associated rain spoilt the experiment)
  5. Round 8 of 1941, played in weather as wet as eleven years later, saw the lowest aggregate attendance for a round since 1925 of 28,000. Only 6,000 attended the match of the day between Collingwood and Essendon
 
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As of Round 7 2010:


  1. Since 2007 Geelong supporters have celebrated their team scoring a goal 525 times more than Melbourne supporters.
  2. Since 2004 Essendon and Sydney have both scored exactly 2,000 goals.
  3. St Kilda has kicked 2,999 goals so far this century. (2001 - )
  4. Richmond is the only team not to have scored more than 3,000 goals since 2000.
  5. Brisbane is the only team to have scored more than 4,000 goals since 1999 and since 1988 Geelong is the only team to have scored more than 8,000 goals.

    RogersResults
 
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RogersResults said:
As of Round 7 2010:


  1. Since 2007 Geelong supporters have celebrated their team scoring a goal 525 times more than Melbourne supporters.
  2. Since 2004 Essendon and Sydney have both scored exactly 2,000 goals.
  3. St Kilda has kicked 2,999 goals so far this century. (2001 - )
  4. Richmond is the only team not to have scored more than 3,000 goals since 2000.
  5. Brisbane is the only team to have scored more than 4,000 goals since 1999 and since 1988 Geelong is the only team to have scored more than 8,000 goals.

    RogersResults
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Love your stats RogersResults, the only thing is that following your link and clicking enter on your new-look homepage appears to direct me to a U.S based numismatic site called Numis Network. Is there a little glitch in the link?

And with the little tidbit that Geelong now has equaled it's best 100-game sequence on percentage from Round 5 2006, that should increase significantly given Geelong won just a single game more in that year up to Round 10. They would have been 2-3 after Round 5, and they proceed to wind up being 3-7, with a 102 point thumping at the hands of the Pies thrown in i believe in Round 8 of that year. If the Cats were to win say their next five games, they would advance that record to 82 wins, 17 losses and a draw, which would have to be getting close to the all time record for 100 games if i'm not mistaken.
 
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Catsace said:
Love your stats RogersResults, the only thing is that following your link and clicking enter on your new-look homepage appears to direct me to a U.S based numismatic site called Numis Network. Is there a little glitch in the link?

And with the little tidbit that Geelong now has equaled it's best 100-game sequence on percentage from Round 5 2006, that should increase significantly given Geelong won just a single game more in that year up to Round 10. They would have been 2-3 after Round 5, and they proceed to wind up being 3-7, with a 102 point thumping at the hands of the Pies thrown in i believe in Round 8 of that year. If the Cats were to win say their next five games, they would advance that record to 82 wins, 17 losses and a draw, which would have to be getting close to the all time record for 100 games if i'm not mistaken.
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Thanks for the appreciation - most appreciated!
Web server was down. Bookmark the link below as an alternative if you can't get through to the main site.

http://www.users.on.net/~susiewalsh/Rogers_Results/home.htm

You are right about Geelong, if they can keep winning, as they get past the losses in 2006 the records could really start to tumble.
 
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beez said:
Stolen off the main board but thought it was funny.

In 2007, 2008 and 2009, the team on top of the ladder after Rd 7 has gone on to be losing Grand Finalists.
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At the completion of round 7:

1st - 35 became Premiers. (Last 2003 Brisbane.)
2nd - 25 became Premiers. (Last 2009 Geelong.)
3rd - 20 became Premiers. (Last 1978 Hawthorn.)
4th - 9 became Premiers. (Last 2007 Geelong.)
Below 4th - 21 became Premiers. (Last 2005. Sydney 10th.)

Last time Collingwood was top after 7 rounds and went on to be Premiers was 1935.

Since 1935 Collingwood have been on top after round 7 in 1952 (lost grand final), 1970 (lost grand final), 1971 (lost semi final to finish 4th), 1973 (lost preliminary final to finish 3rd), 1977 (lost grand final replay), 1981 (lost grand final).

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Most losses by 100+ points:

15 Barker, Trevor
. .Cunningham, Geoff
13 Sarau, Jeff
12 Merrett, Roger
11 Edmond, Jim
10 Burns, Greg
. .Campbell, Matthew
. .Hogg, Jeff
. .Roberts, Michael
.9 Breen, Barry
. .Crow, Max
. .Dunne, Jeff
. .Elphinstone, Robert
. .Knights, Matthew
. .Zanotti, Mark
.8 Champion, Richard
. .Cordy, Neil
. .Dunstan, Ian
. .Duperouzel, Bruce
. .Gastev, John
. .Hawkins, Doug
. .Johnson, Chris L.
. .Lovett, Brett
. .Mace, Robert
. .Morwood, Paul
. .Noonan, Danny
. .Paxman, Stephen
. .Richardson, Matthew


Current players:

.7 Houlihan, Ryan
.6 Fevola, Brendan
. .Thornton, Bret
. .Wiggins, Simon
 
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  1. Round 8 was the last round of the origional 18 to produce a draw - not doing so until 1961
  2. Footscray drew consecutive Round 8 matches in 1973 and 1974, then lost their next twelve on that round
    • Other clubs to have drawn consecutive matches on one round are
      • Carlton on Round 1 of 1914 and 1915
      • Melbourne on Round 12 of 1952 and 1953
      • North Melbourne on Round 8 of 1966 and 1967
  3. Footscray’s last win with fewer goals was on Round 8 of 1989 against Fitzroy
    • they needed about 120 more games to break Hawthorn’s record of 555 games without winning with fewer goals between 1943 and 1972
  4. North Melbourne won by over 100 points on Round 8 in three consecutive years from 1981 to 1983. No other team has won the same round by over 100 points in three consecutive years.
  5. In Rounds 7, 8, and 9 of 1956 the round’s highest score was 107 points - in each case kicked against Essendon
 
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Keep coming back to this thread all the time. Some of the stats posted are just amazing. Keep it up. :thumbsu:
 
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Round 8, 2010:

1) First time WB/Footscray has won a match where they scored no goals in the last quarter and their opponent scored no behinds. Last time Sydney/SM lost such a match was round 8 1907 v Melbourne when they scored 2.0 to Melbourne's 0.5-5 in the last quarter.

2) 558 pts. Adelaide's lowest ever points for after 8 matches. Previous: 611 pts in 1995.

3) Geelong's 79th win from their last 100 matches establishing a new club record.

4) Hawthorn's narrowest win over a team placed 16th on the ladder at the time of the match. Previous: 9 pts. v Carlton round 8 2002.

5) Port Adelaide's percentage of 87.77% is the third lowest for a team on 5 wins and 3 losses after 8 matches. Lower: Fitzroy 81.76% 1953, Fitzroy 84.91% 1898.


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RogersResults said:
Port Adelaide's percentage of 87.77% is the third lowest for a team on 5 wins and 3 losses after 8 matches. Lower: Fitzroy 81.76% 1953, Fitzroy 84.91% 1898.
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Fitzroy in 1953 kicked, against the superlative Footscray defence led by Herb Henderson, Ted Whitten, Jim Gallagher and Wally Donald, the lowest score of the twentieth century fifty-seven years ago on Sunday. On a terribly wet day, they were lucky not to be held scoreless for the whole match: rover Alan Ruthven kicked a lucky goal with only a few minutes to go. The Age described the game as “one of Fitzroy’s worst defeats ever”, without realising how strong the Bulldog backline was. It conceded only 959 points (131 goals, 173 behinds) in eighteen games that year: the lowest average points against since 1919, and apart from Neil Tresize kicking eight goals (more than the average team goal tally against it) in Round 2, nobody mastered it.

One might think that in the 1990s Carlton or West Coast could have held a side scoreless or at least goalless: both defences at times were perfectly solid against attacks stronger than Fitzroy had in 1953. However, both Carlton and West Coast in the late 1980s/early 1990s were teams whose ability was greatly diminished in wet weather as prevailed for that game (and much of 1953).

On that day (May 23, 1953), a white football was used for the Collingwood versus Hawthorn game since it was viewed as easier to see in the wet, dark weather. It was rated as a success, but oddly the experiment was not tried in the similarly wet weather of much of 1956.
 
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Just did this analysis on another thread, but Geelong in the space of a calendar year in 2005-06 went from 7-2 that season to wind up 13-11 by year's end, and started 2006 with a 3-7 record. So Geelong went 9-16 over that 25 game period.

The next amount of time it took to assemble 16 defeats to Geelong is offset by a massive 78 wins and a draw! Geelong has lost 16 games since Rd 10 2006, yet it took just on a year for the previous 16 defeats to occur.:thumbsu:
 

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