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Thanks guys, yeah I meant W/L record, knew about the pies GF loss.

Looking at that chart it looks like we can (and probably will) have the best 22 game season record, and can still possibly have the best record in games won/games played, if we win every game, though I think the Pies will probably hang on to that one.
 
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He_Beast said:
Thanks guys, yeah I meant W/L record, knew about the pies GF loss.

Looking at that chart it looks like we can (and probably will) have the best 22 game season record, and can still possibly have the best record in games won/games played, if we win every game, though I think the Pies will probably hang on to that one.
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West Coast would need to win all their remaining rounds to equal Collingwood's 22 rounds in 1977. (18 wins 4 losses)
 
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Ahh, I see it now, thanks mate.
 
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While waiting for historic VFL Records to download.


1) The lowest percentage after 14 matches for an eventual Premier: 93.35% Carlton 1945.
2) The lowest percentage after 14 matches for an eventual Premier since the introduction of the final 8: 99.06% Sydney 2005.
3) The lowest percentage after 14 matches for an eventual Finalist: 84.94% Collingwood 1908 (10 teams 4 finalists)
4) The lowest percentage after 14 matches for an eventual Finalist since the introduction of the final 8: 85.03% Brisbane 1995.
5) The highest percentage after 14 matches for an eventual wooden-spooner: 88.76% Geelong 1957.
6) The highest percentage after 14 matches for an eventual wooden-spooner in a 16 team competition: 87.42% Brisbane 1998.
 

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Re: Post 5 random (obscure) stats [Part 2]

Round 16 2011

1) The 2nd time Geelong has lost to the reigning Wooden-Spooner while top of the ladder. Previous: Round 14 1925 - 7.9-51 v St Kilda 9.8-62.

2) -821: Gold Coast's points for and against deficit is the 2nd highest recorded after 14 matches, behind Fitzroy's -884 in 1996.

3) 204 pts: Collingwood's greatest combined margin over Nth Melbourne in one season - wins of 117 and 87 points. Previous: 169 pts in 1990 - wins of 80 and 89 points.

4) In round 2 this year Collingwood for the first time beat Nth Melbourne by at least 16 points in each quarter. They did it for the 2nd time this round.

5) St Kilda's first win in all 4 quarters since round 19 2010 v Port Adelaide.

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Blues v Magpies

1) Collingwood has only defeated Carlton in all 4 quarters in consecutive matches once - 1897-1898. Carlton has never defeated Collingwood in consecutive matches in all 4 quarters.

2) Collingwood won 3 consecutive matches v Carlton by 40 points or more for the first time 2009-2010.

3) Carlton have never won more than 2 consecutive matches v Collingwood by 40 points or more and then only on two occasions - 1932 and 1986.

4) Collingwood has only won consecutive finals v Carlton once. - 1919 Semi-Final and the 1920 Preliminary Final.

5) Collingwood have beaten Carlton by 10 goals or more on 13 occasions (last 2006). Carlton has beaten Collingwood by 10 goals or more on 6 occasions (last 2001).

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Gold Coast are on a high after today's win. But they are yet to win at Carrara, their official home ground. So I had a look at how long it took all non-Victorian sides to win a game at their home ground.

1st game - Adelaide Crows, Brisbane Lions, Sydney Swans*, West Coast,
2nd game - Brisbane Bears, Fremantle Dockers, Port Adelaide

Gold Coast have played 4 games at Carrara so far without a win.

* South Melbourne played a home game in 1980 at the SCG for a loss, then another game in 1981 for a win. They became the Sydney Swans in 1982 when the SCG became their official home ground.

Interesting side note. South Melbourne played Geelong at the SCG in Round 17, 1981, won by 3 goals and 22,238 people were in attendance. That attendance was bettered only twice in the Swans first 46 games at the SCG.
 
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Except for St. Kilda, the other 11 traditional clubs have won both a premiership and a wooden spoon within a decade. St. Kilda's only flag in 1966 had a wooden spoon prior to it in 1955, and the next one after the flag came in 1977. Brisbane Lions and West Coast have also won a wooden spoon and a premiership within a 10 year timeframe, and, with a little luck, Port Adelaide may join them this season.
 
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Pretty sure with the name Gary Ablett....the occasions of Rd 21 1985, Rd 20 1996 and Rd 9 2006 remain the only instances that a player of that name has participated in a loss to Richmond. Gary Sr missed the Rd 7 1990 loss at K.P, and i am unsure if Gary Sr's six games in 1982 with Hawthorn incorporated a loss (or a game against) Richmond.
 
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Round 17 2011

1) With the win v Brisbane, Geelong has now won more matches this century (2001-11) than they have lost against all opponents.

2) First match that Adelaide has lost after leading by more than 30 points at 1/4 time and the 2nd match they have lost after leading by 6 goals or more at 1/2 time. Previous: 1993 Preliminary Final v Essendon.

3) Collingwood's 6th win in all four quarters this year - one fewer than their most in one season - 7 in 2010.

4) St Kilda v West Coast: The 4th instance this year of a team scoring no behinds in the 2nd half - the equal most for a complete season since 10 in 1901.

5) For the first time since 1983, WB/Footscray has twice in the one season, conceded the highest score and suffered the biggest loss of the round.


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RogersResults said:
[/B]3)[/SIZE][/FONT] Collingwood's 6th win in all four quarters this year - one fewer than their most in one season - 7 in 2010.
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Winning all 4 quarters but only winning by 19...how does this rate on the scale of narrowest wins in all quarters?
 
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Winning all 4 quarters but only winning by 19...how does this rate on the scale of narrowest wins in all quarters?
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of 2071 matches won in all 4 quarters, 39 have been won by fewer than 20 points.

The smallest margin is 7 points. Round 3 1973 Melbourne 13.16-94 v Fitzroy 13.9-87. Melbourne won the quarters by 1,1,2 and 3 points.

Very frustrating for a team to be so close but to just fall short each quarter.
Must have felt like that for Carlton.
 
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In alphabetical order, Adam Goodes was the first player listed in Sydney's R16 team against Gold Coast. Only 14 of 27,790 VFL/AFL teams have their first player listed after Goodes. These are

Code: 
Player            Cb Year Rd Op
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Marr, Joe         Ca 1902  6 Fi
Herring, Maurie   Me 1897  4 St
Healing, Alf      Me 1897  6 Co
Healing, Alf      Me 1897  7 Es
Healing, Alf      Me 1897 10 Fi
Hart, David       WC 1991  8 Es
Hart, David       WC 1991  9 Fi
Harding, Paul     WC 1992  3 St
Harding, Paul     WC 1992  4 Ge
Hamilton, Jack C. Co 1950  7 WB
Hamilton, Jack C. Co 1950  8 Me
Griffiths, Dave   Ri 1923  4 St
Griffiths, Dave   Ri 1923  6 Es
Green, Jack T.    Co 1949 10 Ri

James Frawley ranked #39 in this week's Melbourne team.
 

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Ron The Bear said:
In alphabetical order, Adam Goodes was the first player listed in Sydney's R16 team against Gold Coast. Only 14 of 27,790 VFL/AFL teams have their first player listed after Goodes. These are

Code: 
Player            Cb Year Rd Op
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Marr, Joe         Ca 1902  6 Fi
Herring, Maurie   Me 1897  4 St
Healing, Alf      Me 1897  6 Co
Healing, Alf      Me 1897  7 Es
Healing, Alf      Me 1897 10 Fi
Hart, David       WC 1991  8 Es
Hart, David       WC 1991  9 Fi
Harding, Paul     WC 1992  3 St
Harding, Paul     WC 1992  4 Ge
Hamilton, Jack C. Co 1950  7 WB
Hamilton, Jack C. Co 1950  8 Me
Griffiths, Dave   Ri 1923  4 St
Griffiths, Dave   Ri 1923  6 Es
Green, Jack T.    Co 1949 10 Ri
James Frawley ranked #39 in this week's Melbourne team.
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Great stuff. Besides the skill in the observation there is then the curiosity to follow it up. Inquiring minds are in short supply.

Carlton 1902 seems to have improved significantly when the secretary found the cards with a couple of "F's" and an "L" to include in the team after round 6.
 
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In 2011 to round 17, 37.5% of scores have had more behinds than goals.


  • The season with the lowest percentage of scores with more behinds than goals was 2002 - 28.11%
  • 1993 was the first season to have less than 33% of scores with more behinds than goals - 32.48%
  • 1993, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2009 all had less than 33% of scores with more behinds than goals.
  • The first season with less than 50% of scores having more behinds than goals was 1938 - 45.54%. (There wasn't another until 47.98% in 1969.)
  • The last season with more than 50% of scores having more behinds than goals was 1970 - 51.47% (In 1975 exactly 50% of scores had more behinds than goals.)
 
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In 2011 to round 17 there have been 5 instances of teams having scoreless last quarters - 1.89% of scores.


  • The last time the incidence was higher was in 1968 when 2.02% of scores included a scoreless last quarter - 5 instances.
  • In 1904 10.46% of teams' scores included a scoreless last quarter.
  • 1917 was the first season where no team had a scoreless last quarter. Seasons with no teams having a scoreless last quarter since have been: 1918, 1932, 1938, 1941, 1945, 1956, 1976, 1979, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1987, 1989, 1990, 1993, 1999, 2000, 2005, 2007, 2008 and 2009.
  • The last season with more than one occurrence prior to 2011 was 2006 with 3.
  • The only season since 1970 with more than 1% of scores including a a scoreless last quarter was 2002 - 1.08% - 4 instances.
 
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RogersResults said:
In 2011 to round 17, 37.5% of scores have had more behinds than goals.


  • The season with the lowest percentage of scores with more behinds than goals was 2002 - 28.11%
  • 1993 was the first season to have less than 33% of scores with more behinds than goals - 32.48%
  • 1993, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2009 all had less than 33% of scores with more behinds than goals.
  • The first season with less than 50% of scores having more behinds than goals was 1938 - 45.54%. (There wasn't another until 47.98% in 1969.)
  • The last season with more than 50% of scores having more behinds than goals was 1970 - 51.47% (In 1975 exactly 50% of scores had more behinds than goals.)
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That's an amazing stat the second last point...so it was absolutely normal up until the 22-round season to see quite inaccurate kicking from all sides, and it only started breaking the 50% mark upon the advent of the greats of goalkicking in McKenna, Wade, Hudson and co. And even then it took a further 20+ years to produce a season where on average 2 in 3 scores had more goals than behinds!

It is lamentated regularly that goal kicking is terrible today compared to the 'old days', but in today's super-pressure footy it has measurably improved.

Mind you, the fact that stadia in general now are infinitely more conducive to quality footy must also be factored in, as up to ground rationalisation in the 90's particularly you had muddy and windy grounds like Moorabin, Western Oval and even Windy Hill and Waverley. Plus i guess with just the two Melbourne-based grounds nowadays all Victorian-based players would know the 'G' and the 'Dome' better than they'd ever have known a venue like Vic Park or the Western Oval.

Wonder what the accuracy breakdown at the 'Dome is since it opened in 2000, and that of the 'G since say the Southern Stand was completed in 1992 would be?
 
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Geelong plays Richmond (finally!) this week, and given the two sides met last in Rd 6 2010, and before that in Rd 2 2009....it means that since Rd 3 2009 up to now a total of 59 rounds of footy will have elapsed until a second meeting will have happened.

Similar thing with Geelong and Carlton, they met in Rd 2 2007, played in Rd 10 2008 (week after the Pies thrashed the Cats) and finally played again in Rd 19 2009. So an incredible 60 rounds of footy in this instance had elapsed before a second meeting occurred.

Any other instances if you count from the week immediately after a clash between clubs having taken place where it's taken so long for the next two clashes to take place than these?
 
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Catsace said:
Any other instances if you count from the week immediately after a clash between clubs having taken place where it's taken so long for the next two clashes to take place than these?
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Longest gaps in days for contiguous seasons:

Code: 
Dys C1 C2    First     Second
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496 Co Ri  6/04/2008 15/08/2009
489 Ca Me 20/04/2008 22/08/2009
482 Co PA 21/04/2007 15/08/2008
463 Fr Ha 15/05/2009 21/08/2010
462 Ad Sy 21/04/2007 26/07/2008
461 Es NM 19/04/2009 24/07/2010
460 Ge Ha 22/04/2007 25/07/2008
455 NM WC 17/05/2008 15/08/2009
455 Ad WC 24/05/2008 22/08/2009
454 Me WC 20/05/2007 16/08/2008
454 Ad Sy  4/04/2010  2/07/2011
449 Ha Ri 22/05/1993 14/08/1994
449 Br PA 10/04/2010  3/07/2011
448 St WB 22/05/1993 13/08/1994
448 Br PA 12/04/2008  4/07/2009
[COLOR=blue]448 Ge Ri  2/05/2010 24/07/2011[/COLOR]

There have of course been longer breaks where clubs have gone into recess.
 

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Thanks for that RTB....Hell of a long gap between Pies and Tigers at the top of the list, and given they played very early this season that could extend also depending on next year's fixture.
 
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Catsace said:
That's an amazing stat the second last point...so it was absolutely normal up until the 22-round season to see quite inaccurate kicking from all sides, and it only started breaking the 50% mark upon the advent of the greats of goalkicking in McKenna, Wade, Hudson and co. And even then it took a further 20+ years to produce a season where on average 2 in 3 scores had more goals than behinds!

It is lamentated regularly that goal kicking is terrible today compared to the 'old days', but in today's super-pressure footy it has measurably improved.

Mind you, the fact that stadia in general now are infinitely more conducive to quality footy must also be factored in, as up to ground rationalisation in the 90's particularly you had muddy and windy grounds like Moorabin, Western Oval and even Windy Hill and Waverley. Plus i guess with just the two Melbourne-based grounds nowadays all Victorian-based players would know the 'G' and the 'Dome' better than they'd ever have known a venue like Vic Park or the Western Oval.

Wonder what the accuracy breakdown at the 'Dome is since it opened in 2000, and that of the 'G since say the Southern Stand was completed in 1992 would be?
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As we know, historical accuracy is hard to determine. We don't have records of all the rushed behinds nor deliberate shots for goal that went out of bounds (Or accurate kicks that were 'touched off the boot'). But scores with more behinds than goals are an indicator.

Docklands Stadium - 24.95% of scores have had more behinds than goals.
MCG since 1992 - 35.0% of scores have had more behinds than goals.

There can also be variations which indicate more skill at work.
From 1949 to 1954 the team from 'Windy Hill' scored more behinds than goals in 47.9% of their matches. The overall rate for the period was 60.2% of scores had more behinds than goals. May indicate something of John Coleman's relative efficiency in front of goal. (In the same period Collingwood scored more behinds than goals in 71.19% of their matches.)

Gold Coast has currently scored more behinds than goals in 60% of their matches.

The range from 2000 is 25.56% (Bulldogs) to 38.70% (Tigers)
 
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More of a request as I cannot find a data base that has total career marks (I’m sure there is somewhere as I’ve seen if before )

Could anyone provide me with the below?

-[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]Highest career total marks
-[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]the totals for highest marks of players in the last 4 decades. Top 10 for each decade (ie 70’s 80’s 90’s 00’s)
-[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]highest career total marks, current players
 
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That Collingwood contains a further 4 who would go on to play at other clubs also

Is that a record? Thinking Sydney may have challenged that along the way
 

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