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Observed in Round 17, 2013.
A first for Carlton v Nth Melbourne
Carlton have now won more than a quarter of their matches v Nth. Melbourne since 1996.
A 1 in 530 occurrence in Launceston.
Bombers give the Giants a percentage boost.
Three first time evers for the Suns.
St Kilda's 2nd greatest turn-around in the 2nd half of a match that they lost.
Melbourne is half-way to their first quarter win total quota established 2009-2012.
Richmond have a winning score-line never seen before in any match 1897-2013.
A lowest ever in Adelaide.
The Swans extend more than one club record v the Eagles.
Geelong ranks 1st against the top 9 but 11th against the bottom 9.
Port Adelaide are the round 17 champs.
Lowest average attendance for a round 17 in over 20 years.
4.8% of teams on 7 wins and 9 losses after 16 matches have previously made the final 8,
The Swans have their highest average score after 16 matches since 1987.
The Tigers are conceding their least after 16 matches since 1969.
Wins trailing at 3/4 time highest since 2008.
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A first for Carlton v Nth Melbourne
Carlton have now won more than a quarter of their matches v Nth. Melbourne since 1996.
A 1 in 530 occurrence in Launceston.
Bombers give the Giants a percentage boost.
Three first time evers for the Suns.
St Kilda's 2nd greatest turn-around in the 2nd half of a match that they lost.
Melbourne is half-way to their first quarter win total quota established 2009-2012.
Richmond have a winning score-line never seen before in any match 1897-2013.
A lowest ever in Adelaide.
The Swans extend more than one club record v the Eagles.
Geelong ranks 1st against the top 9 but 11th against the bottom 9.
Port Adelaide are the round 17 champs.
Lowest average attendance for a round 17 in over 20 years.
4.8% of teams on 7 wins and 9 losses after 16 matches have previously made the final 8,
The Swans have their highest average score after 16 matches since 1987.
The Tigers are conceding their least after 16 matches since 1969.
Wins trailing at 3/4 time highest since 2008.
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I believe this equals Geelong's record b/w 2007 R9 - 2009 R12.
Best for each club:
12 Geelong, Hawthorn
11 North Melbourne
10 Collingwood
8 Brisbane, St.Kilda
7 West Coast
6 Essendon
5 Richmond, Sydney, Western Bulldogs
4 Adelaide, Carlton, Fremantle, Melbourne, Port Adelaide
3 Fitzroy
2 Gold Coast
1 GWS
Most consecutive matches won outside of home state.
Includes 7 Hawthorn 'home' matches at York Park and 'home' matches outside of home state against both teams playing in their home state and teams also playing outside of their home state. (E.G. Richmond's 5 wins were all at the SCG - 1 against Fitzroy, 1 against St Kilda and 3 against Sydney.)
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When North Melbourne demolished Melbourne by 122-points earlier today by kicking 22.18-150 to 4.4-28, it became the first time that two teams have won and lost a game decided by 20-goals or more against each other by the same margin, with Melbourne having thrashed North Melbourne by 122-points in Round 7 1937.
There are cases of teams winning and losing by margins of 20 goals or more; interestingly, Geelong, Adelaide and the West Coast Eagles have all won and lost games by 135-points, but unlike the Demons and Kangaroos none of these wins and losses occurred against the same opponent.
If there are any members of North Melbourne's 1937 team still with us today, it took 76 years but you got your revenge.
There are cases of teams winning and losing by margins of 20 goals or more; interestingly, Geelong, Adelaide and the West Coast Eagles have all won and lost games by 135-points, but unlike the Demons and Kangaroos none of these wins and losses occurred against the same opponent.
If there are any members of North Melbourne's 1937 team still with us today, it took 76 years but you got your revenge.
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Today's 122 point loss was Neil Craig's biggest since Round 17 2004 where his Adelaide side lost to Brisbane by 141 points.
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Also, the Dees equal the fewest scoring shots (8) with their 4.4.28 at the Dome and have the equal 2nd lowest score, behind Adelaide's 3.6.24 against St.Kilda in 2011.
Last three games at Geelong have seen opponents score 7.2.44, 4.6.30 and 5.6.36 as well, would there be an occasion in recent history where three games in a row has furnished fewer than 50 points at a venue? Certainly in the era before the 'Out on the full' rule in 1969 it would have happened much more regularly.
Last three games at Geelong have seen opponents score 7.2.44, 4.6.30 and 5.6.36 as well, would there be an occasion in recent history where three games in a row has furnished fewer than 50 points at a venue? Certainly in the era before the 'Out on the full' rule in 1969 it would have happened much more regularly.
The most recent was at Waverley in 1999.
R7 West Coast 7.6.48 v St.Kilda
R8 Hawthorn 7.7.49 v North Melbourne
R9 Hawthorn 7.5.47 v Essendon
Last time a venue yielded fewer than 110 points in total by the losing teams was at Whitten Oval in 1996.
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What's the points for points against average for each current coach?
Goals and behinds included.
Edit: Referring to their career games.
Goals and behinds included.
Edit: Referring to their career games.
Observed in Round 18 2013
A scoring first for the Hawks.
A worst for Essendon since 1947.
A third time only for Carlton this century.
Nth Melbourne use their five times table for the first time.
Melbourne have to look back to 1919 and 1920 for worse.
The Kangaroos are 7-10-0 champs.
A lowest for Collingwood since 2006.
Geelong break a winning margin record that has stood since 1900.
Scoring events not seen by Geelong and St Kilda teams in all their matches against all opponents in over 30 years.
A new low for the Crows.
Two new Power lows.
A first for the Dogs against the Eagles.
A 21st not worth celebrating for the Tigers.
The Swans have the highest percentage of all teams from their last 6 and last 12 matches.
Fremantle and Port Adelaide have currently played the most matches against the bottom 9 teams.
Average attendances from 18 rounds are the lowest since 2002.
Melbourne’s average score is their lowest since 1953.
North are still the first quarter champs, Sydney are best in the 2nd, Geelong in the 3rd and Hawthorn in the last.
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A scoring first for the Hawks.
A worst for Essendon since 1947.
A third time only for Carlton this century.
Nth Melbourne use their five times table for the first time.
Melbourne have to look back to 1919 and 1920 for worse.
The Kangaroos are 7-10-0 champs.
A lowest for Collingwood since 2006.
Geelong break a winning margin record that has stood since 1900.
Scoring events not seen by Geelong and St Kilda teams in all their matches against all opponents in over 30 years.
A new low for the Crows.
Two new Power lows.
A first for the Dogs against the Eagles.
A 21st not worth celebrating for the Tigers.
The Swans have the highest percentage of all teams from their last 6 and last 12 matches.
Fremantle and Port Adelaide have currently played the most matches against the bottom 9 teams.
Average attendances from 18 rounds are the lowest since 2002.
Melbourne’s average score is their lowest since 1953.
North are still the first quarter champs, Sydney are best in the 2nd, Geelong in the 3rd and Hawthorn in the last.
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Cheers for that.
Interesting to note the healthy percentage for Chris Scott and Horse.
Players to kick 50 goals in a season without playing in a win:
Roy Park|Un|1913
\Bert Hyde|Ha|1928
\Tom Fitzmaurice|NM|1934
\Jeremy Cameron|GWS|2013NB Peter Hudson kicked 13 in Hawthorn's first win of 1970, taking his tally to 53.
\Bert Hyde|Ha|1928
\Tom Fitzmaurice|NM|1934
\Jeremy Cameron|GWS|2013
Some For and Against
After 17 matches in 2013 both Melbourne and Greater Western Sydney have each scored less than 1,200 points - 1,114 and 1,188 respectively.
The last time Essendon scored under 1,200 points after 17 matches was in 1927 - 1,104 points.
In 2013 after 17 matches, Hawthorn are the only team to have have scored two thousand points - 2,007.
This is the 11th time that the Hawks have scored 2000 points in the first 17 matches of a season. Previous: 1977, 1982-5, 1987-9, 1991, 2012
Next most times to score 2000 points after 17 matches of a season are Essendon - 6 times - 1983,1985,1990,1993, 2000-01.
Followed by Nth Melbourne - 4 times - 1982-3, 1993, 1996.
Three times:
Carlton: 1979, 1993, 2000.
Geelong: 1989, 1991, 1992
Sydney/SM: 1934, 1982, 1987
Two times:
Collingwood: 1977, 2011
Richmond: 1980, 1982
Once:
Fitzroy: 1979
West Coast: 1991
After 17 matches in 2013 Fremantle have conceded - 1,184 points
The are one of only six teams to have conceded under 1,200 points in the first 17 matches of a season after 1971.
West Coast 1991: 1,145
Adelaide 2006: 1,197
St Kilda 2009: 1,028
Collingwood 2011: 1,170
Sydney/SM 2012: 1,181
The last time both Nth Melbourne and WB/Footscray conceded under 1,200 points in the first 17 matches was in 1963.
In 1979 Essendon after 17 matches had scored 1,807 points.
In 2013 Essendon after 17 matches have scored 1,807 points.
In 2009 Geelong after 17 matches had conceded 1,376 points.
In 2013 Geelong after 17 matches have conceded 1,376 points.
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One last thing concerning teams known to have surrendered a large lead and still won the game:
The largest such lead I know about is 65 points. This occurred in the VFA 1st Division preliminary final of 1981. Preston were 65 points ahead of Sandringham 12 minutes into the 3rd quarter, leading 121 to 56. Just after time on had started in the 4th quarter, Sandringham hit the front, leading 161 to 157, thanks to Rex Hunt, who kicked seven goals in that final term, and ten altogether. Preston ending up winning 28.7 (175) to 26.12 (168).
The largest such lead I know about is 65 points. This occurred in the VFA 1st Division preliminary final of 1981. Preston were 65 points ahead of Sandringham 12 minutes into the 3rd quarter, leading 121 to 56. Just after time on had started in the 4th quarter, Sandringham hit the front, leading 161 to 157, thanks to Rex Hunt, who kicked seven goals in that final term, and ten altogether. Preston ending up winning 28.7 (175) to 26.12 (168).
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Last nights North Melbourne Geelong game had the second scoreline of 96-86 for this year.
First was Essendon vs Brisbane (Brisbane winning) in about round 8.
First was Essendon vs Brisbane (Brisbane winning) in about round 8.
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the 1989 one must be unique in that the lower-scoring team had conceded fewer points than the higher-scoring team!
After 22 rounds of 1989 Footscray had conceded 1,855 points and Geelong 1,987, but Geelong had scored 1,302 more points than Footscray, or 59.1 more points per game! After seventeen rounds Geelong had conceded 1494 points and Footscray 1421.
This extraordinary occurrence of a team conceding more points than another ten places lower on the ladder has only been equalled or bettered by premier Melbourne in 1940, who conceded 43 more points than eleventh placed St. Kilda and top-placed North Melbourne in 1998 who conceded 34 more points than thirteenth-placed Hawthorn. In that 1998 season Sydney, third, conceded 60 more points that Hawthorn thus equalling the previous record.
The 1989 Bulldogs, beyond their near merger and "Save The Dogs" campaign, are possibly the most unbalanced team in VFL/AFL history. Their centreline and defence were good enough to rank among the top three or four in the league, but their attack was utterly awful: given the amount of ball they had far worse than Fitzroy's in 1996 or Melbourne's in 1997. Against Geelong and North early in the season, the draw with Carlton, a wet-weather loss to the Bears at Carrara, and in the last round agaisnt Fitzroy, the Bulldogs had a monopoly on the ball and still lost because they could not score.
the 1989 one must be unique in that the lower-scoring team had conceded fewer points than the higher-scoring team!
After 22 rounds of 1989 Footscray had conceded 1,855 points and Geelong 1,987, but Geelong had scored 1,302 more points than Footscray, or 59.1 more points per game! After seventeen rounds Geelong had conceded 1494 points and Footscray 1421.
This extraordinary occurrence of a team conceding more points than another ten places lower on the ladder has only been equalled or bettered by premier Melbourne in 1940, who conceded 43 more points than eleventh placed St. Kilda and top-placed North Melbourne in 1998 who conceded 34 more points than thirteenth-placed Hawthorn. In that 1998 season Sydney, third, conceded 60 more points that Hawthorn thus equalling the previous record.
The 1989 Bulldogs, beyond their near merger and "Save The Dogs" campaign, are possibly the most unbalanced team in VFL/AFL history. Their centreline and defence were good enough to rank among the top three or four in the league, but their attack was utterly awful: given the amount of ball they had far worse than Fitzroy's in 1996 or Melbourne's in 1997. Against Geelong and North early in the season, the draw with Carlton, a wet-weather loss to the Bears at Carrara, and in the last round agaisnt Fitzroy, the Bulldogs had a monopoly on the ball and still lost because they could not score.
Observed in Round 19 2013:
A first since 1960 for the Kangaroos v the Cats.
North 2013 are currently the club’s best ever first quarter performers.
Melbourne 2013 are currently the clubs worst 3rd quarter performers since 1919.
Geelong joins a select band of 29 including 5 former Premiers.
The Giants reach new heights.
A first for Richmond since 2006.
A first for Richmond since 1984.
The Football Gods should finally make for a Tigers v Hawks finals clash.
The Eagles discover GPS* at their home ground.
Some new highs for the Suns.
Three 2nd time onlys for the Dockers.
Dockers turn 3 out of 30 into 7 out of 10.
Carlton Let it Be with another One After 9-0-9.
A worst for the Saints since 2001
The Swans make piling the goals on against the Dogs a regular event.
Port’s highest attendance for some time.
A scoreline between Port and Adelaide only seen twice before in 117 League seasons.
A category of win not seen for the Magpies since 1970
A category of loss not seen by the Bombers since 1983.
One team is undefeated in the last 6 matches – nine others have lost two of their last six.
The Giants are Round 19 champs.
Never have more got out to a round 19 of matches.
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A first since 1960 for the Kangaroos v the Cats.
North 2013 are currently the club’s best ever first quarter performers.
Melbourne 2013 are currently the clubs worst 3rd quarter performers since 1919.
Geelong joins a select band of 29 including 5 former Premiers.
The Giants reach new heights.
A first for Richmond since 2006.
A first for Richmond since 1984.
The Football Gods should finally make for a Tigers v Hawks finals clash.
The Eagles discover GPS* at their home ground.
Some new highs for the Suns.
Three 2nd time onlys for the Dockers.
Dockers turn 3 out of 30 into 7 out of 10.
Carlton Let it Be with another One After 9-0-9.
A worst for the Saints since 2001
The Swans make piling the goals on against the Dogs a regular event.
Port’s highest attendance for some time.
A scoreline between Port and Adelaide only seen twice before in 117 League seasons.
A category of win not seen for the Magpies since 1970
A category of loss not seen by the Bombers since 1983.
One team is undefeated in the last 6 matches – nine others have lost two of their last six.
The Giants are Round 19 champs.
Never have more got out to a round 19 of matches.
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Seasons where on the final ladder the lowest scoring team had conceded fewer points than the highest scoring team:
1958: Highest scoring team Melbourne (1,608) conceded 1,300 points
1958: Lowest scoring team Carlton (1,158) conceded 1,260 points.
1960: Highest scoring team Essendon (1,506) conceded 1,204 points
1960: Lowest scoring team Footscray (1,065) conceded 1,178 points.
1968: Highest scoring team Hawthorn (1,934) conceded 1,869 points
1968: Lowest scoring team Nth Melb. (1,266) conceded 1,703 points.
1973: Highest scoring team Essendon (2,443) conceded 2,341 points
1973: Lowest scoring team Footscray (1,860) conceded 2,109 points.
1976: Highest scoring team Hawthorn (2,323) conceded 2,035 points
1976: Lowest scoring team Footscray (1,958) conceded 2,023 points.
1989: Highest scoring team Geelong (2,916) conceded 1,987 points
1989: Lowest scoring team Footscray (1,614) conceded 1,855 points.
In 1991 lowest scorer Footscray conceded only 9 more points than the highest scorer, Hawthorn.
The poorly drained wind-tunnel that was Footscray's home at the Western Oval/Reserve
probably played a significant part in the Bulldogs featuring in a high proportion of low-scoring
matches.
It’s notable that the Melbourne teams of the early 1940s and the North Melbourne teams of the late 1990s are not in your list, since both are notable for winning consistently with moderate Points “Against” figures! However, the Essendon teams of 1972 to 1975, dominated by ruckman Graeme Moss, are in a sense related to the North Melbourne teams of the 1980s and 1990s since the focal points of North Melbourne during the 1980s - the Krakouer brothers - learned their football with WAFL club Claremont under Moss. During the four home-and-away seasons of 1972 to 1975, Essendon scored more points than any team except Richmond, yet conceded more than any team except South Melbourne. (Footscray, though the third-lowest scoring team over the same period, actually conceded 64 fewer points than the Tigers).
Regarding the Melbourne teams of the early 1940s, it might be noted that in 1941:
- Melbourne were the highest scoring team with 1,993 points
- South Melbourne were the second-lowest scorers with 1,397 points, ahead of Hawthorn on 1,367.
- Melbourne conceded 1,701 points
- South Melbourne conceded 1,552 points
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I have watched the YouTube footage of this game, which for whatever reason, cuts off at the moment Richmond first hit the lead in the final quarter, with the scores lying at 102 to 101. Reading through The Age report on this game from Google News Archive, part of the article states, "In those final 15 minutes, Footscray was prepared to fight as hard as was required to hold on to the slender lead it regained after interchange player Chris Burton and then full forward Simon Beasley slammed in successive goals."
My interpretation of this is that Footscray scored the final two goals of the game, meaning that at one stage Richmond actually lead by at least 10 points during that final term. Do either of you know how far in front Richmond were in this game?
