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[red+black]

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Im assuming Collingwood could also add to that first fact with a win next year...which you neglected to mention

Essendon won the premiership in 1911.

I didn't think it worth mentioning that Essendon could also win in 2011

 

[Marklar_33]

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Ok, so Collingwood cant join that list if they come runner-up next year...

 

[RogersResults]

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Quarters Won By 40 pts. or More.

1) Geelong was the first team to win a first quarter by 40 pts or more
and is currently the last to do so.

2 ) Fremantle has lost the least percentage of 3rd quarters by 40 pts. – Port Adelaide the most.


3) All current teams have lost a 2nd quarter by 40 pts. this century except Fremantle.


4) Hawthorn didn’t win a 3rd quarter by 40 pts. until 1959.


[FONT=&quot]5) Geelong currently has played the most consecutive matches without losing a quarter by 40 pts. – 131.

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[worbod]

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There are three Brownlow Medallists who polled more votes in a year in which they didn't win the medal than in the year they did win.


. . . . . . .Brownlow . . Higher
Player . . . . .Year Votes Total Year
Gavin Wanganeen 1993 . 18 . 21 . 2003
Nathan Buckley .2003 . 22 . 24 . 1998
Ben Cousins . . 2005 . 20 . 21 . 2003

 

[red+black]

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^^ technically, also Gary Dempsey, Len Thompson, Dick Reynolds and a few of the pre-1930 guys

 

[Ron The Bear]

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There are three Brownlow Medallists who polled more votes in a year in which they didn't win the medal than in the year they did win.


. . . . . . .Brownlow . . Higher
Player . . . . .Year Votes Total Year
Gavin Wanganeen 1993 . 18 . 21 . 2003
Nathan Buckley .2003 . 22 . 24 . 1998
Ben Cousins . . 2005 . 20 . 21 . 2003

plus...

. . . . . . .Brownlow . . Higher
Player . . . . .Year Votes Total Year
Mark Ricciuto . 2003 . 22 . 23 . 2004
Gary Dempsey . .1975 . 20 . 21 . 1970
Dick Reynolds . 1938 . 18 . 19 . 1939


leaving out pre-1931 and 1976-77 as referred to by red&black.

 

[worbod]

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Thanks fellas for looking into this fact more thoroughly and for including those extra names. I didn't include Dick Reynolds because his highest tally of votes was 27 and he never exceeded this in a year in which he didn't win.

 

[RogersResults]

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1,000 Goals

• Collingwood and Carlton each scored their 1,000th goal against each other in the same match, round 17 1945. Carlton won 13.11 89 to 13.5-83. The cumulative goal tally after the match was Carlton 1,003, Collingwood 1,008.

• Collingwood and Carlton scored their last 1,000 goals against each other in the same match - round 18, 2010. Collingwood won 15.16-106 v Carlton 11.8-74. Since round 17 1977 Carlton has scored 1,008 goals v Collingwood and Collingwood 1,002 goals v Carlton.

• St Kilda and Carlton’s 1,000th goals against each other were 25 years apart – Carlton's came in 1944 and St Kilda's not until 1969.

• It has taken Geelong 23 fewer matches than Melbourne to score their last 1,000 goals.

• It has taken Essendon 27 fewer matches than Geelong to concede their last 1,000 goals.

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[worbod]

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Most consecutive 50 goal seasons


. Player . . . . .Club/s . . . . . Seasons
13 Gordon Coventry Collingwood . . .1925-1937
11 Jason Dunstall .Hawthorn . . . . 1986-1996
.9 Doug Wade . . . Geelong/North . .1966-1974
.8 Bill Mohr . . . St. Kilda . . . .1930-1937
.8 Tony Lockett . .St. Kilda/Sydney 1989-1996
.7 Peter McKenna . Collingwood . . .1968-1974
.7 Simon Beasley . Footscray . . . .1982-1988
.6 Leigh Matthews .Hawthorn . . . . 1973-1978
.6 Bernie Quinlan .Fitzroy . . . . .1981-1986
.6 Gary Ablett . . Geelong . . . . .1985-1990
.6 John Longmire . North Melbourne .1990-1995




100 goals in a season without a ten goal haul


. .Player . . . . .Club . .Season Best Total
122 Gary Ablett . . Geelong .1995 . . 9
113 Lance Franklin .Hawthorn 2008 . . 9
109 Matthew Lloyd . Essendon 2000 . . 9
105 Larry Donohue . Geelong .1976 . . 9
103 Doug Wade . . . North M .1974 . . 8
103 Malcolm Blight .North M .1982 . . 8
103 Warwick Capper .Sydney . 1987 . . 9
100 Jack Titus . . .Richmond 1940 . . 9

 

[RogersResults]

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Combined Season Results – New Records - 2010

163 pts: Collingwood’s highest margin over Essendon in 1 season.
42.30-282 v 18.11-119
Previous: 147 pts. in 1971
39.32-266 v 16.23-119

113 pts: Fremantle’s highest margin over West Coast in 1 season.
41.25-271 v 23.20-158
Previous: 62 pts. in 2006
30.26-206 v 20.24-144

120 pts: Geelong’s highest margin over Sydney/SM in 1 season.
39.17-251 v 18.23-131
Previous: 111 pts. in 1951
31.28-214 v 15.13-103

156 pts: St Kilda’s highest margin over Nth. Melbourne in 1 season.
40.18-258 v 15.12-102
Previous: 136 pts in 1929
38.25-253 v 16.21-117

141 pts: WB/Footscray’s highest margin over Nth. Melbourne in 1 season.
42.18-270 v 17.27-129
Previous: 86 pts. in 1992
44.28-268 v 30.26-206



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[UpForGrabs]

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WAFL Round 5, 1979

Reserves Scores for the day;

Claremont: 4.4 - 11.8 - 21.12 - 33.19 (217)
South Fremantle - 2.1 - 5.4 - 8.6 - 11.6 (72)

Swan Districts: 10.8 - 13.10 - 23.13 - 35.23 (233)
Subiaco: 2.1 - 6.3 - 8.11 - 10.11 (71)

East Perth: 9.7 - 12.10 - 24.12 - 30.18 (198)
Perth: 4.0 - 6.1 - 6.4 - 12.6 (78)

East Fremantle: 7.5 - 12.9 - 18.14 - 24.20 (164)
West Perth: 4.5 - 14.13 - 15.20 - 18.27 (135)

Average winning score of 203 for the day!

 

[RogersResults]

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What is it?

• To the end 2010 season it has happened only 86 times - 1 in 160 matches. (Although you would think that coaches would encourage it to happen much more often.)

• More than a quarter of these matches have occurred after 1996, with nearly 70% of that number being achieved by non-Victorian teams.

• The only teams to do it more than once in a season have been Richmond in 1941 and Port Adelaide in 2001.

• WB/Footscray did it in 2010 for only their 2nd time, the previous occurrence being in 1945.

• Carlton last did it in 1960.
  
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[RogersResults]

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Combinations in Finals Matches

• Only Essendon, Geelong and Sydney/SM have played at least 1 final against every other team that has played a final.

• The most common pairings in finals are Carlton v Collingwood, Carlton v Richmond, Collingwood v Melbourne and Collingwood v Geelong. Each paring has occurred 22 times.

• The biggest gap between meeting in a final has been 71 years – Geelong - Sydney/SM 1934-2005.

• At the end of the 2011 the longest gap since the last meeting in a final will be 71 years for Melbourne and Richmond who last met in a final in 1940 (Grand Final.)

• Of teams who have had more than 20% of their finals matches against the one opponent, in 6 cases that opponent has been Collingwood.
  
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[UpForGrabs]

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Not sure of actual tallies, but such was Claremont’s offensive firepower, they had five separate players kick 50 goals or more in the season. The players (I think) were Warren Ralph, Steve Malaxos, Jim Krakouer, Phil Krakouer and Brett Farmer (Polly’s son).

OK - I may have been wrong. Just done some tallies and here's what we've got for Claremont's five top goalscorers that year;

(numbers in brackets are if you factor in goals scored for WA that year)

Warren Ralph - 127 (131)
Steve Malaxos - 82
Brett Farmer - 67
Phil Krakouer - 50 (53)
Jim Krakouer - 49 (50)

That's some serious firepower right there.

You just wonder what Steve Malaxos' tally would have been had he not had five scoreless games in the first eight weeks. Not sure whether this was through injury or not, but he got goose eggs before he finished the year off with this run;

5, 5, 6, 6, 7, 6, 8, 7, 4, 7, 2, 6, 1, 5

Lead Goalscorers list for 1981 in the WAFL (including finals);

1) Warren Ralph (Claremont) - 127
2) Simon Beasley (Swan Districts) - 119
3) Steve Malaxos (Claremont) - 82
4) Bruce Monteath (South Fremantle) - 78
5) Brad Hardie (South Fremantle) - 75
6) Brett Farmer (Claremont) - 67
7) Noel Carter (South Fremantle) - 66
8) Brian Adamson (West Perth) - 53
9) Mike Richardson (Swan Districts) - 51
10) D. Simms (Perth) - 50
11) Phil Krakouer (Claremont) - 50
12) Jim Krakouer (Claremont) - 49
13) Grant Campbell (East Perth) - 48
14) Jim Sewell (East Fremantle) - 48
15) Ian Thomson (East Fremantle) - 47
16) Gary Buckenara (Subiaco) - 40

 

[UpForGrabs]

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Western Australia played South Australia in a State Game at Subiaco Oval on June 20, 1981.

WA: 4.6 - 5.11 - 11.18 - 21.30 (156)
SA: 2.1 - 2.6 - 7.7 - 10.9 (69)

Goalscorers:

WA: Ralph 4.3; Phil Krakouer, Carter 3.4; Sewell 3.1; Buckenara 2.7; Simms, Delmenico 2.0; Jim Krakouer 1.4; Johnson 1.3; Neesham, Menaglio, Rioli 0.1 (1 point forced)
SA: Naley 3.0; Evans 2.2; McSporran, Hateley 2.0; Wright 1.1; Sewer 0.3; Cornes 0.2; Heinrick 0.1

Free Kicks:

WA - 41
SA - 34

Notes:

1) WA scored 10.12 (72) in the final quarter.

2) Biggest point-scoring offender was Gary Buckenara, who kicked 2.7

3) Buckenara did, however, have 29 kicks, 10 handpasses and took 15 marks.

4) Other big possession winners:

Jim Krakouer (WA) - 28k, 7m, 8h
Alan Johnson (WA) - 25k, 5m, 6h
Noel Carter (WA) - 21k, 5m, 6h
Graham Cornes (SA) - 17k, 4m, 8h
Neil Craig (SA) - 14k, 7m, 10h
Paul Weston (SA) - 16k, 4m, 4h

5) Surprisingly low tallies from big-name players (and AFL Hall of Fame Members);

Maurice Rioli (WA) - 3k, 0m, 0h
Graham Moss (WA) - 5k, 2m, 2h
Stephen Michael (WA) - 5k, 3m, 6h
Russell Ebert (SA) - 11k, 4m, 2h
Peter Carey (SA) - 9k, 4m, 4h

 

[RogersResults]

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Defeated eventual Premier - Defeated by eventual Wooden-Spooner in same year :

• Hawthorn’s feat this year of defeating the eventual Premiers (Collingwood) and losing to the eventual Wooden-Spooners (West Coast) in the same year was the 73rd time that this has occurred and the 5th time for Hawthorn.
• Carlton have done it the most – 10 times (most recently in 1997)
• Geelong in round 14, 1905 defeated the eventual Premiers, Fitzroy by 35 pts. Four rounds later they lost to the eventual Wooden-Spooners, Melbourne by 35 pts.
• In round 16 1982, Geelong lost to eventual Wooden-Spooners, WB/Footscray by 42 pts. The next round they defeated eventual Premiers, Carlton by 40 pts.
• In 1922, Carlton, Collingwood and Essendon all defeated eventual Premiers, Fitzroy (Collingwood twice) but all three lost matches to Wooden Spoon winner, Sydney/SM that year.
• In 1925, Nth Melbourne defeated eventual Premiers, Geelong in their first match of the year and lost to Wooden Spoon winners, Hawthorn in their last match of the year.
  
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[worbod]

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Most goals in a finals series for each team


Club . . . . . Player . . . . .Goals Season
Adelaide . . . Peter Vardy . . . 12 . 1998
Bris Bears . . Alistair Lynch . .13 . 1996
Bris Lions . . Alistair Lynch . .16 . 2002, 2003
Carlton . . . .Harry Vallence . .20 . 1932
Collingwood . .Ron Todd . . . . .23 . 1939
Essendon . . . Paul Salmon . . . 17 . 1993
Fitzroy . . . .Jim Freake . . . .11 . 1922, 1923
Footscray . . .Danny Del Re . . .13 . 1992
Fremantle . . .Matthew Pavlich . .8 . 2006
Geelong . . . .Gary Ablett . . . 27 . 1989
Hawthorn . . . Michael Moncrieff 16 . 1978
Melbourne . . .Jack Mueller . . .20 . 1948
North Melb . . Doug Wade . . . . 12 . 1974
Port Adelaide .Stuart Dew . . . .10 . 2002
Richmond . . . Kevin Bartlett . .21 . 1980
St. Kilda . . .Fraser Gehrig . . 13 . 2004
South/Sydney . Lindsay White . . 13 . 1942
West Coast . . Peter Sumich . . .18 . 1992

 

[mianfei]

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Defeated eventual Premier - Defeated by eventual Wooden-Spooner in same year:

1. Since 1925, the most teams to have beaten the premiers and defeated by the wooden spooners in the same years is three:
   • 1969: Carlton, Fitzroy and Footscray
     • in 1969, every team that lost to wooden spooner Melbourne beat eventual premier Richmond during the year!
   • 1976: Carlton, Richmond and Essendon
     • Essendon have never done so since
   • 1997: North Melbourne, Richmond and Carlton
2. Port Adelaide and Fremantle have never defeated the premiers and lost to the wooden spooners in the same season.
3. In 1910 and 1943, Carlton provided St. Kilda’s only win but beat the eventual premiers of both seasons
4. Melbourne equalled this in 1993, being Sydney’s only victim a week after beating eventual premiers Essendon.
5. In 1918, St. Kilda inflicted South Melbourne’s only loss but lost three weeks earlier to wooden spooner Essendon.
6. The Saints nearly equalled this in 1995, inflicting the last of only two losses for premier Carlton three weeks (again!) after losing to wooden spooner Fitzroy.

Another curio: in two of the five cases St. Kilda beat the premiers and lost to the wooden spooners (1923 and 1995), the Saints kept the premiers to the lowest score of the year. These are the only such cases among the 73 occurrences.

 

[mianfei]

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What is it:

1. It has happened to the end of 2010 only 74 times - one match in 182
2. Almost one-tenth of all occurrences (seven of the 74) have been in finals
3. It has never happened more than once in one round, but Collingwood did so twice in consecutive rounds of 1959 against Hawthorn and North Melbourne
4. Almost one-half of the occurrences (33 of 74) have involved either Footscray or Sydney/South Melbourne.
5. It has never happened in more than five consecutive seasons, with the five consecutive being from 1955 to 1959 and the next best being in four consecutive seasons from 1981 to 1984

 

[RogersResults]

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What is it:

1. It has happened to the end of 2010 only 74 times - one match in 182
2. Almost one-tenth of all occurrences (seven of the 74) have been in finals
3. It has never happened more than once in one round, but Collingwood did so twice in consecutive rounds of 1959 against Hawthorn and North Melbourne
4. Almost one-half of the occurrences (33 of 74) have involved either Footscray or Sydney/South Melbourne.
5. It has never happened in more than five consecutive seasons, with the five consecutive being from 1955 to 1959 and the next best being in four consecutive seasons from 1981 to 1984

Won the first quarter, then lost the 2nd, 3rd and last quarter but won the match. The Hawthorn v Geelong 1989 Grand Final is perhaps the most famous instance.

Interesting that Adelaide, Brisbane, Fremantle, Port Adelaide and West Coast are yet to do it. (West Coast and Brisbane have each lost 1 match where they lost the first quarter and won the next 3.)

 

[RogersResults]

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• Every team has scored the sweep (highest score of the round) at least once in the last 2 seasons except Melbourne and Richmond. Last time Melbourne kicked the sweep was round 2, 2005, Richmond, round 5 2008.
• Collingwood, Geelong, St Kilda and Sydney/SM have each only had the sweep kicked against them once in the last 4 seasons,2007-2010.(Essendon has had the sweep scored against them the most of any team in the last 4 seasons - 13 times.)
• From 1925 to 2001 Carlton only had the sweep kicked against them in consecutive matches once, rounds 9 and 10 1959.Since 2001 they have had the sweep kicked against them in consecutive weeks on 6 occasions including 3 in 2007.
• Wooden-Spooners that never had the lowest score of a round were: Geelong 1957, Fitzroy 1980, Richmond 1987, Sydney/SM 1994, Richmond 2007.
• In 43 seasons from 1925 to 1967, Hawthorn had the biggest winning margin of the round on 19 occasions. In the last 43 seasons, 1968 to 2010 they have had the biggest winning margin in 121 rounds.
  
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[Chris who]

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WAFL Round 5, 1979

Reserves Scores for the day;

Claremont: 4.4 - 11.8 - 21.12 - 33.19 (217)
South Fremantle - 2.1 - 5.4 - 8.6 - 11.6 (72)

Swan Districts: 10.8 - 13.10 - 23.13 - 35.23 (233)
Subiaco: 2.1 - 6.3 - 8.11 - 10.11 (71)

East Perth: 9.7 - 12.10 - 24.12 - 30.18 (198)
Perth: 4.0 - 6.1 - 6.4 - 12.6 (78)

East Fremantle: 7.5 - 12.9 - 18.14 - 24.20 (164)
West Perth: 4.5 - 14.13 - 15.20 - 18.27 (135)

Average winning score of 203 for the day!

how can you have 45 shots on goal and be 5 goal losers

 

[Connor7395]

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how can you have 45 shots on goal and be 5 goal losers

Round 6, 1928

[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]Geelong[/COLOR]	  4.3   8.5  15.7  19.8	 122
[COLOR="DarkRed"]Fi[COLOR="Yellow"]tzr[/COLOR][COLOR="Blue"]oy[/COLOR][/COLOR]	  0.6  1.13  1.19  2.27	 39

An amazing note here Chris. Fitzroy were to kick twenty-seven behinds that game, including five posters that could have reduced the score to a more comprehensible and acceptable 7.22 (64). Geelong had the same number of scoring shots as behinds from Fitzroy, who would score their second goal late in time-on in the final quarter.

Score Shots:

Fitzroy: 29
Geelong: 27
Final Margin: An 83-point humiliation, almost 14 goals.

Meanwhile, a week later, Geelong played Richmond at a very wet Punt Oval. Richmond were forced to wear fingerless mittens to control the ball and ended up 3 point winners, despite kicking one goal less than Geelong.

[COLOR="Yellow"]Rich[COLOR="Black"]mond[/COLOR][/COLOR]	  6.9   8.9 10.18 12.21	 93
[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]Geelong[/COLOR]	  2.0   9.5  10.7 13.12	 90

 

[RogersResults]

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Opponent with the Best and Worst Match/Won Percentage Against.

• From 1897-1986, 6 teams had their best M/W% against St Kildawhile 8 had their worst against Collingwood and 4 against Carlton.
  

• Whereas up to 1987, Collingwood and Carlton were everybody’s worst opponents, (including each other) the overall table 1897-2010 sees 5 other teams (Port Adelaide, Adelaide, West Coast, Geelong and Nth Melbourne) joining them on the list as somebody’s ‘nemesis’.
  

• In the last 10 seasons 4 teams have had their best M/W% against Carlton and Richmond while 4 have had their worst against Port Adelaide.
  

• In the last 10 season’s 2 teams, Geelong and Sydney have a better than 90% success rate against their two “easiest” opponents, Richmond and Carlton.
  

• In the last 5 seasons, Geelong’s worst M/W% has been equally against Collingwood, Hawthorn and St Kilda – 55.56%
  
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[RogersResults]

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Balance Sheet - Points For over Points Against. 1897-2010

• In total points for and against in their time in the competition only Adelaide, Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon, Geelong, Port Adelaide and West Coast are currently “in the black” with a surplus of points for.

• Collingwood and Essendon are the only teams from their first match in the competition to their last have never been “in the red” with points against being greater than points for.

• In round 4 2010, Richmond went into 'the red' for the first time since round 9, 1931.

• Collingwood is the only team whose current surplus is their highest ever recorded.

• University in their short and long ago career in the VFL had more matches 'in the black' than 5 contemporary teams.

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