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Does anybody know the breakdown of kicks and handballs for Jack Billings' 53 possessions in the VFL for Sandringham this weekend just gone?
 
BlueBen said:
Not really sure how to word this, but what are the highest combined winning and losing margins that two teams have brought into a match-up against each other from each team's previous week results?

For example, Gold Coast play St Kilda next weekend. Gold Coast are coming off a 108-point loss and St Kilda a 71-point loss, for a combined losing margin of 179 points.
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Mgn|Year|Rd|Won Last|R|Mgn|Lost Last|R|Mgn
\261|1995|20|Sy|W|126|Ad|L|135
\255*|1987|18|Ha|W|125|WC|L|130
\241|1992|21|WC|W|131|Ri|L|110
\241|1992|21|Ad|W|110|Br|L|131
\238|1992|8|Ge|W|164|Ad|L|74
\238|2008|1|Ge|W|119|PA|L|119
\237|2012|3|WC|W|108|GWS|L|129
\232|1999|21|Sy|W|118|Fr|L|114
\221*|2004|18|NM|W|80|Ad|L|141
\220|2012|16|Ad|W|58|GWS|L|162
\218|1979|18|Fi|W|190|Ha|L|28
\218|1987|18|Ca|W|55|Es|L|163
\217|1987|SF|Me|W|118|Sy|L|99
\214|1950|3|St|W|109|Sy|L|105
\214|1986|22|Ha|W|135|WB|L|79
\213|1982|19|Ri|W|84|WB|L|129
\212|1942|4|Ri|W|138|St|L|74
\212|1993|9|Ge|W|50|Sy|L|162
\211|1991|7|NM|W|54|Fi|L|157
\210|2015|18|NM|W|72|Ca|L|138
\208*|1993|10|Br|W|162|Ad|L|46
\206|2011|20|Ge|W|186|GC|L|20
\205*|1985|8|Ha|W|126|Co|L|79
\204*|1997|3|Co|W|107|St|L|97
\204|2011|20|Ca|W|18|Me|L|186
\202|1971|18|Ca|W|87|WB|L|115
\201|1989|10|Ge|W|134|Co|L|67
\200|2012|16|Ha|W|162|WB|L|38
* winner came off a loss the previous week

Worth of note is the "double 241" of R21 1992.

Edit: The above is for one winning and one losing team only. The instances below cover two teams with the same result in their last game:

Mgn|Year|Rd|Club 1|R|Mgn|Club 2|R|Mgn
\236|1986|22|Ri|L|101|Ge|L|135
\235|1982|4|WB|L|143|Me|L|92
\234|1997|18|WB|L|97|Ri|L|137
\228|1979|5|St|L|178|Ge|L|50
\225|1993|22|Fi|W|104|Me|W|121
\224|2014|8|Sy|W|79|Ha|W|145
\223|2013|19|NM|W|122|Ge|W|101
\214|2011|22|WB|L|49|PA|L|165
\211|1979|18|Me|L|190|Es|L|21
\210|2012|12|NM|L|115|GC|L|95
\209|1990|15|Ri|W|82|NM|W|127
\209|2016|21|Ca|L|71|Br|L|138
\208|1931|3|Fi|L|40|NM|L|168
\207|2000|PF|Es|W|125|Ca|W|82
\207|2008|QF|St|W|108|Ge|W|99
\206|2011|3|Co|W|87|Ca|W|119
\205|1971|18|Ri|W|90|Ha|W|115
\205|1995|6|Fi|L|89|St|L|116
\203|1988|10|Sy|W|63|Es|W|140
\203|1990|3|Ri|L|141|Ha|L|62
\202|1987|18|Sy|W|163|Ri|W|39
\202|1991|7|WC|W|45|Ha|W|157
 
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Thanks, Ron The Bear! Really interesting.

Just for your records, it seems that although West Coast did play Hawthorn in Round 18, 1987 (with West Coast winning by a point), the combined margin of 255 points comes from each team's Round 16 game, not Round 17 (both teams played in Round 17).
 
BlueBen said:
Thanks, Ron The Bear! Really interesting.

Just for your records, it seems that although West Coast did play Hawthorn in Round 18, 1987 (with West Coast winning by a point), the combined margin of 255 points comes from each team's Round 16 game, not Round 17 (both teams played in Round 17).
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Bit of a weird situation across those two rounds as several games were played out of sync.

R17 Jul 10 WC v Ca
R16 Jul 11 Es v Ri
R16 Jul 11 NM v Fi
R17 Jul 11 Ha v WB
R16 Jul 12 Br v St

R16 Jul 18 Ca v Fo
R16 Jul 18 Co v Ha
R17 Jul 18 NM v Ge
R17 Jul 18 St v Me
R16 Jul 19 Sy v WC

R16 Jul 25 Me v Ge
R17 Jul 25 Fi v Br
R17 Jul 25 Ri v Co
R17 Jul 26 Sy v Es

Although you're correct, those Round 16 games were the last matches played by WC and Hawthorn before their Round 18 clash.
 
red+black said:
I was very disappointed that day. At 1/4 time I would have thought it a certainty we'd kick 200 points.
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I was hoping for 300+.
 
Ron The Bear said:
Bit of a weird situation across those two rounds as several games were played out of sync.

R17 Jul 10 WC v Ca
R16 Jul 11 Es v Ri
R16 Jul 11 NM v Fi
R17 Jul 11 Ha v WB
R16 Jul 12 Br v St

R16 Jul 18 Ca v Fo
R16 Jul 18 Co v Ha
R17 Jul 18 NM v Ge
R17 Jul 18 St v Me
R16 Jul 19 Sy v WC

R16 Jul 25 Me v Ge
R17 Jul 25 Fi v Br
R17 Jul 25 Ri v Co
R17 Jul 26 Sy v Es

Although you're correct, those Round 16 games were the last matches played by WC and Hawthorn before their Round 18 clash.
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Apologies - you are correct! I didn't check the dates, just the rounds. But what a confusing few rounds they must have been!
 
Hopefully i explain this well enough
What's the most amount of players to kick 25+ and also 30+ for the same club in the same season?
 

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Plugger46 said:
Hopefully i explain this well enough
What's the most amount of players to kick 25+ and also 30+ for the same club in the same season?
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25 excluding finals - Hawthorn 1986 (8)
25 including finals - Fitzroy 1979 (9)
30 excluding or including finals - Carlton 1979 (7)
 
A similar disclaimer to the one above, in that I hope I explain this right.

Buddy Franklin seems to kick some unusual scores, 2.8, 3.6, 1.5, etc. (he may not have actually kicked those exact scores).

What is the highest number of behinds that he has kicked in a game for each amount of goals that he has kicked in a game? And then what is the lowest number of behinds that he hasn’t kicked for each goal total that he has scored in a game?

For example he may have had games where he’s kicked 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 3.4, 3.5 but not 3.6. So 3.5 would be the first answer and 3.6 the second. There also may be outliers like 3.7 or 3.8.

I hope I’ve explained that right.
 
CJApples87 said:
A similar disclaimer to the one above, in that I hope I explain this right.

Buddy Franklin seems to kick some unusual scores, 2.8, 3.6, 1.5, etc. (he may not have actually kicked those exact scores).

What is the highest number of behinds that he has kicked in a game for each amount of goals that he has kicked in a game? And then what is the lowest number of behinds that he hasn’t kicked for each goal total that he has scored in a game?

For example he may have had games where he’s kicked 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 3.4, 3.5 but not 3.6. So 3.5 would be the first answer and 3.6 the second. There also may be outliers like 3.7 or 3.8.

I hope I’ve explained that right.
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Goals|Max kicked|Min not kicked
\0|6|4
\1|7|8
\2|11|8
\3|7|8
\4|7|6
\5|6|7
\6|6|5
\7|4|1
\8|6|5
\9|5|0
\10|2|0
\13|4|0
 
A few off-days for other goalkickers:

Lockett - 9.7, 10.7
Dunstall - 9.7, 12.8
Ablett - 5.8, 6.8, 6.9, 7.8
Matthews - 3.8 (three times)
McKenna - 1.10, 5.8, 8.8
Quinlan - 5.8, 7.8
Bartlett - 1.7, 1.8, 2.8
Kernahan - 6.8, 10.7
Hudson - 7.7, 7.9, 8.9, 10.7
Templeton - 15.9
Modra - 4.9
Osborne - 7.8, 8.7
Sumich - 5.8, 7.8, 11.8
 

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Gibbsy said:
Sydney won tonight without scoring a goal in both the first and last quarters, how often has that happened? The Eagles, despite losing, kicked goals in all four quarters.
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It's happened on 217 occasions (21 times from 1970 onwards), with another 10 cases of teams winning despite having three goalless quarters:

Goalless for two quarters and won the game: 217 times (last night's game included).
The previous case was Gold Coast in Rd. 1, 2018, where they didn't manage a goal in the 1st and 3rd quarters but still won - Gold Coast 7.13 (55) vs. North Melbourne 5.9 (39). Five times it's happened in a Grand Final: 1899 Fitzroy, 1900 Melbourne, 1905 Fitzroy, 1908 Carlton, 1909 South Melbourne.

1970 onwards (won with 2 goalless quarters):
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Goalless for three quarters and won the game: 10 times.
The most recent case was in the 1927 Grand Final, where Collingwood was goalless for three quarters (1st, 3rd, 4th) but won the game - 2.13 (25) to Richmond 1.7 (13)! Richmond was goalless till 3/4 time, which obviously helped the Pies' cause!!

Edit: I'm hoping you just meant any two quarters could be goalless, not specifically the first and last quarters!!
 
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35Daicos said:
It's happened on 217 occasions (21 times from 1970 onwards), with another 10 cases of teams winning despite having three goalless quarters:

Goalless for two quarters and won the game: 217 times (last night's game included).
The previous case was Gold Coast in Rd. 1, 2018, where they didn't manage a goal in the 1st and 3rd quarters but still won - Gold Coast 7.13 (55) vs. North Melbourne 5.9 (39). Five times it's happened in a Grand Final: 1899 Fitzroy, 1900 Melbourne, 1905 Fitzroy, 1908 Carlton, 1909 South Melbourne.

1970 onwards (won with 2 goalless quarters):
View attachment 512831

Goalless for three quarters and won the game: 10 times.
The most recent case was in the 1927 Grand Final, where Collingwood was goalless for three quarters (1st, 3rd, 4th) but won the game - 2.13 (25) to Richmond 1.7 (13)! Richmond was goalless till 3/4 time, which obviously helped the Pies' cause!!

Edit: I'm hoping you just meant any two quarters could be goalless, not specifically the first and last quarters!!
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This is great! Sir Swamp Thing on Twitter answered the other question anyway

 
red+black said:
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2018/141920180414.html

In the above game, Brisbane scored their first goal after 81m 35s, 26m 54s into the third quarter.

How many teams have not scored a goal in the first 3 quarters?
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62 times teams have been goalless at 3/4 time. It's happened 5 times from the 70's onwards, with West Coast in Rd. 23 1992 (vs. Footscray) the last team to "achieve" this feat.

Carlton 8
Collingwood 3
Essendon 6
Fitzroy 3
Geelong 3
Hawthorn 2
Melbourne 9
North Melbourne 1
Richmond 2
St Kilda 16
Sydney/South Melbourne 6
University 1
West Coast 1
Western Bulldogs/Footscray 1
Total 62

On 24 occasions teams have had goalless games.
Carlton 3
Collingwood 2
Essendon 1
Geelong 2
Melbourne 5
Richmond 1
St Kilda 7
Sydney/South Melbourne 2
University 1
Total 24
 

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