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[RogersResults]

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what was the circumstances behind richmond and fitzroy playing their round 2 match in 1982 before the round 1 matches??

May have had something to do with Fitzroy's proposal to play their home games at VFL Park that year and uncertainty at the end of 1981 about whether or not South Melbourne would play all their home games in Sydney or not.

 

[SJ]

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Can someone provide me with a list of instances of 28+ disposals/6+ goals in the one game?

Steve Johnson achieved this for the second time on the weekend and Franklin achieved it last week.

 

[DeanoT]

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They brought that game forward and played it on its own as a season opener. Can't remember the reason, just an experiment I think.

Was Maurice Rioli's first game (BOG).

Not sure if this has been covered already, but which players have scored a BOG in their first game?

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Not sure if this has been covered already, but which players have scored a BOG in their first game?

Since game-by-game Brownlow votes were first kept in 1984 (apart from some years in the 1930's, for which I haven't found a source), players to have earned the 3 votes in their first game are:

Player            Cb Year Rd
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Williams, Greg    Ge 1984  1
Hardie, Brad      WB 1985  1
Phillips, Brenton Es 1986  2
Wright, Graham    Co 1988  1
Somerville, Peter Es 1988 15
Georgiades, John  WB 1989  1
Jarman, Andrew    Ad 1991  1
White, Darryl     Br 1992  1
Cummings, Scott   Es 1994 14
Polo, Dean        Ri 2006  6

On the Richmond/Fitzroy 1982 match...I dug out the Footy Record for that game and it contains no mention of the reason for the fixturing!

 

[RogersResults]

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On the Richmond/Fitzroy 1982 match...I dug out the Footy Record for that game and it contains no mention of the reason for the fixturing!

Although I couldn't find a specific reference, the Age at the end of 1981 when the VFL was considering what to do with an insolvent Sth Melbourne noted concern about the fixture for VFL park depending on whether or not South played all its home games in Sydney or not. South played 3 matches at VFL Park in 1981 but none 1982-1986. There may have been something about removing them from the 1982 VFL Park schedule of matches that necessitated playing the Richmond/Fitzroy match on its own.

 

[SJ]

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Can someone provide me with a list of instances of 28+ disposals/6+ goals in the one game?

Steve Johnson achieved this for the second time on the weekend and Franklin achieved it last week.

Anyone?

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Anyone?

Was leaving this for Paul since I don't have his recently-added data in my database. From 1984 onwards:

Player              Cb Ds Ki Hb Gl Year Rd Op
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Thorne, Peter       Me 30 21  9  7 1984  9 WB
Ashman, Rod         Ca 30 28  2  6 1984 14 Ri
Royal, Brian        WB 30 25  5  7 1986 13 Fi
Ezard, Alan         Es 31 19 12  6 1986 15 Me
Williams, Mark M.   Br 30 27  3  6 1987  2 Ge
Gotch, Brad         St 29 17 12  7 1987 15 Fi
Wright, Stephen     Sy 30 14 16  8 1987 16 WC
Gleeson, Adrian     Ca 28 23  5  6 1988 18 Fi
Ablett senior, Gary Ge 30 26  4 14 1989  9 Ri
Ablett senior, Gary Ge 28 25  3  7 1989 10 Co
Williams, Greg      Sy 53 25 28  6 1989 19 St
Bairstow, Mark      Ge 36 25 11  6 1991 12 Ha
Scott, Robert       Ge 31 18 13  7 1992  3 Ri
Dunstall, Jason     Ha 29 25  4 17 1992  7 Ri
Royal, Brian        WB 28 19  9  6 1992 16 Ad
Hudson, Paul        Ha 30 24  6  7 1993 12 St
Platten, John       Ha 37 27 10  6 1994  9 Ad
Hird, James         Es 28 19  9  6 1996 13 Ha
Carey, Wayne        NM 31 22  9 11 1996 17 Me
Lloyd, Matthew      Es 30 18 12  7 1996 19 Ad
Richardson, Matthew Ri 28 24  4  7 1996 21 Fi
Sziller, Steven     St 29 17 12  6 1998 10 Sy
Ratten, Brett       Ca 30 18 12  6 2000  6 PA
Buckley, Nathan     Co 29 23  6  6 2006 10 Br
Pavlich, Matthew    Fr 30 22  8  6 2007 19 Es
Hodge, Luke         Ha 34 19 15  6 2007 21 WB
Johnson, Steve      Ge 28 14 14  6 2008 22 WC
Franklin, Lance     Ha 28 17 11  6 2011  9 Sy
Johnson, Steve      Ge 29 21  8  7 2011 10 GC

 

[*Paul*]

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Was leaving this for Paul since I don't have his recently-added data in my database.

Do you want them? I've also got a bloke working on filling in some of the missing stats from 84-86

I have a further 28 prior to 84, mostly Leigh Matthews.

19740511 Garry Wilson            36  6 FI v HW
19740706 Arnold Briedis          28  6 NM v CA
19740608 Kevin Bartlett          32  6 RI v SY
19750830 Brian Walsh             28  7 ES v HW
19750531 Leigh Matthews          29  6 HW v FO
19760403 Leigh Matthews          29  6 HW v SK
19760904 Leigh Matthews          33  7 HW v NM
19760703 Robert Lamb             30  8 RI v CW
19770507 Paul Sarah              32  7 GE v ME
19770709 Leigh Matthews          38  7 HW v GE
19770730 Leigh Matthews          37  7 HW v FO
19770820 Leigh Matthews          33  7 HW v ME
19770827 Leigh Matthews          30  6 HW v ES
19770528 Kevin Bartlett          34  6 RI v GE
19780401 Garry Wilson            32  6 FI v SK
19780701 Ian Dunstan             36  7 FO v SK
19780701 Leigh Matthews          32  6 HW v SY
19780902 Kevin Bartlett          32  6 RI v FO
19790505 Leigh Matthews          29  7 HW v RI
19800425 Barry Rowlings          30  6 RI v FI
19800524 Bruce Monteath          29  8 RI v ME
19810718 Bernie Quinlan          34  6 FI v NM
19820412 Leigh Matthews          29  6 HW v FO
19820412 Robert Wiley            33  7 RI v ES
19830409 Peter Bosustow          28  6 CA v CW
19830827 Michael Richardson      39  7 CW v SK
19830820 Michael Tuck            31  6 HW v ME
19830430 Brian Wilson            28  7 ME v SY

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Do you want them?

Yes, please. Whenever they're complete.

 

[UpForGrabs]

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Trying to think of players who have kicked 10+ goals in the VFL/AFL and who've done so in other leagues as well:

Simon Beasley (VFL best of 12, WAFL best of 13), George Moloney (VFL - 12, WAFL - 19) and Peter Hudson are names that I thought of straight away. Same goes for Scott Hodges and Malcolm Blight. Perhaps Stephen Kernahan, although I'm not sure.

And then there's players recruited to VFL clubs who kicked 10 goals or more for their VFL Club, but never for the club they were recruited from such as Ross Ditchburn, who kiced 12 for Carlton in 1982, but never kicked more than 8 in a game for his WAFL club, Claremont.

Then there's the near misses. Warren Ralph had 12 10+ hauls in the WAFL, but he never kicked more than 9 in a VFL match (which he got on debut), while the opposite applies to Mark Jackson who had a VFL best of 10, but a WAFL best for South Fremantle of 'only' 9 goals.

 

[kosifantutti]

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Players who have kicked a goal in every game they played.

Jamie Cripps and Arryn Siposs have both scored goals in all four games they have played for the Saints. The best I could find for the Saints was Greg Packham 17 games 24 goals. Not an outstanding average but he kicked one in every game.

Who is the leader at every club? Who is the overall leader?

Mark Jackson was the second best I found at St Kilda 10 games but he wouldn't be on the league list because there was one game for Geelong very late in his career where he didn't kick a goal.

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Players who have kicked a goal in every game they played.

Jamie Cripps and Arryn Siposs have both scored goals in all four games they have played for the Saints. The best I could find for the Saints was Greg Packham 17 games 24 goals. Not an outstanding average but he kicked one in every game.

Who is the leader at every club? Who is the overall leader?

Mark Jackson was the second best I found at St Kilda 10 games but he wouldn't be on the league list because there was one game for Geelong very late in his career where he didn't kick a goal.

Career:

Ma Player               Club(s) Career
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18 Robertson, Austin C. Sy    1966
17 Packham, Greg        St    1982-1983
 8 Galbally, Bob        Co    1944
 8 George, Max          Fi    1976
 8 Mulligan, Jack       Sy    1941
 6 Boyle, Stephen       WB    1972
 6 Bray, Ed             NM    1927-1929
 6 Ryan, Ted P.         WB    1945
 5 Cornes, Graham       NM    1979
 5 Gosling, Dick        Es    1926-1927
 5 Lawler, Stan         Sy,Es 1930-1933
 5 Robinson, Bob        Fi    1941-1942

For each club:

Ma Player               Cb  Career
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 1 Lamb, Clayton        Ad 1991
15 Cameron, David       Br 1986-1991
 9 Ruscuklic, Alex      Ca 1966-1974
 8 Galbally, Bob        Co 1944
13 Moriarty, Jack       Es 1922-1933
 8 George, Max          Fi 1976
 1 Collard, Clayton     Fr 2007
 4 King, Leo            Ge 1981
   Reed, Doy            Ge 1919
 4*Lynch, Thomas        GC 2011
40 Green, Jack J.       Ha 1929-1936
41 Jackson, Mark        Me 1981-1986
13 Carman, Phil         NM 1975-1982
 1 Harley, Tom          PA 1998-2009
 6 Brewer, Ross         Ri 1972-1983
17 Packham, Greg        St 1982-1983
18 Robertson, Austin C. Sy 1966
 2 Yeo, Norm            Un 1906-1909
 4 Bennett, Darren      WC 1987-1993
 7 Mullens, Tom         WB 1925-1926

Most consecutive games from start of career:

Ma Player             Club(s)    Career
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79 Jackson, Mark      Me,St,Ge 1981-1986
64 Coleman, John      Es       1949-1954
60 Moloney, George M. Ge       1931-1935
42 Hudson, Peter      Ha       1967-1977
36 Reynolds, Tom      Es,St    1937-1945
35 Kennedy, Greg      Ca       1972-1975
31 Carroll, Tom       Ca       1961-1963
29 Margitich, George  Me       1930-1934
29 Moriarty, Jack     Es,Fi    1922-1933
28 Heatley, Jason     WC,St    1995-2000
25 Anthony, Jack      Co,Fr    2008-2011
25 Shelton, Jack F.   St       1925-1928
22 Bosustow, Peter    Ca       1981-1983
22 Harris, Dick D.    Ri       1934-1944
22 Reiffel, Lou       Me,Sy    1936-1941
22 White, Lindsay     Ge,Sy,Ge 1941-1950[/FONT]

Best from first game for each club:

Ma Player                Cb   Career
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11 Hall, Tony            Ad 1988-1995
16 Fevola, Brendan       Br 1999-2010
35 Kennedy, Greg         Ca 1972-1975
26 Taylor, Brian         Co 1980-1990
64 Coleman, John         Es 1949-1954
19 Lazarus, Gary         Fi 1963-1970
 6 Farmer, Jeff          Fr 1995-2008
60 Moloney, George M.    Ge 1931-1935
 6 Matera, Brandon       GC 2011
42 Hudson, Peter         Ha 1967-1977
41 Jackson, Mark         Me 1981-1986
50 Wade, Doug            NM 1961-1975
10 Cockatoo-Collins, Che PA 1994-2003
22 Harris, Dick D.       Ri 1934-1944
25 Heatley, Jason        St 1995-2000
   Shelton, Jack F.      St 1925-1928
98 Lockett, Tony         Sy 1983-2002
19 Hartkopf, Bert        Un 1908-1914
16 Cummings, Scott       WC 1994-2002
16 Cross, Max            WB 1956-1957

 

[STC]

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I note that Dan Menzel has now played 12 career games, and all have been wins. What is the record for most games from a new player without a loss?

 

[Ron The Bear]

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I note that Dan Menzel has now played 12 career games, and all have been wins. What is the record for most games from a new player without a loss?

Ma Player           Club(s) Career
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18 Lauder, Albert   Co    1926-1931
17 Ingleman, Alby   Ca    1905-1908
17 Moore, Kelvin D. Ha    1970-1984
15 Herbert, Harry   Ge    1952-1957
15 Thaw, Alan       Es    1949-1954
14 Burgoyne, Shaun  PA,Ha 2002-2011
14 Cranage, Paul    Co    1973-1975
14 Green, George    Co    1903-1908
14 Kenneally, Bryan Me    1959-1969
14 Kirby, Jack      Es    1911-1918
14 McEvoy, Ben      St    2008-2011
14 Payne, Fred      Es    1949-1953
13 Banfield, Peter  Es,Br 1984-1989
13 Daly, Gerry      Me    1939-1946
13 Clarke, Harry J. Fi    1898-1904
13 Johnston, Graeme Es    1962-1967
13 Mumford, Shane   Ge,Sy 2008-2011
13 Rodda, Alby      Me    1939-1950
12 Bow, Glen        Ge    1954-1956
12 Jacobs, Danny    Es,Ha 1999-2007
12 Laird, Chris     Sy    1918-1922
12*Menzel, Daniel   Ge    2010-2011
12 Pollock, Ted     Ca    1930-1937
12 Rowlings, Barry  Ha,Ri 1975-1986

 

[red+black]

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Collingwood have a phenomenal record in last quarters this year, just losing 1 in their 10 games and recording a percentage of 247%. Essendon only lost 1 of 24 first quarters in 1985 albeit with a percentage of only 185%.

Which teams have only lost 1 (or 2) of any particular quarter?

Which teams have recorded a percentage of 200% for a particular quarter?

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Collingwood have a phenomenal record in last quarters this year, just losing 1 in their 10 games and recording a percentage of 247%. Essendon only lost 1 of 24 first quarters in 1985 albeit with a percentage of only 185%.

Which teams have only lost 1 (or 2) of any particular quarter?

Which teams have recorded a percentage of 200% for a particular quarter?

Cb Q W L D
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Ge 3 9 - 1
Co 4 9 1 -
Ha 2 8 1 -
WC 1 8 2 -
Co 2 8 2 -
Ge 4 8 2 -
Ha 4 7 2 -

Best percentages:

Cb Q For Aga   %
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Co 4 403 163 247.2
Ge 3 300 155 193.5
Co 2 257 140 183.6
Ha 2 205 113 181.4
WC 1 274 165 166.1
Ge 4 261 159 164.2
Co 1 255 159 160.4
Ge 2 250 159 157.2

Halves:

Cb H  W L D
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Ge 2 10 - -
Co 1  9 1 -
Co 2  9 1 -
Ha 1  7 1 1

Best percentages for halves:

Cb H  W L D For Aga   %
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Ge 2 10 - - 561 314 178.7
Co 1  9 1 - 512 299 171.2
Co 2  9 1 - 677 396 171.0
WC 1  7 3 - 509 378 134.7
Es 1  7 3 - 556 415 134.0
Ha 1  7 1 1 410 308 133.1
Ha 2  6 3 - 482 371 129.9

 

[kosifantutti]

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Career:

Ma Player               Club(s) Career
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18 Robertson, Austin C. Sy    1966
17 Packham, Greg        St    1982-1983
 [/QUOTE]Thanks RTB.

Maybe they should have given Packham a couple more games to go for the record.

 

[red+black]

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Ron, I guess I wasn't 100% clear. The questions were for completed seasons only (1897-2010), please disregard season 2011.

1. Which teams have only lost 1 (or 2) of any particular quarter?

2. Which teams have recorded a percentage of 200% for a particular quarter?

 

[Supermercado]

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From 1950 to 2010 only five players appeared for both Hawthorn and Melbourne.

Is this a record for that sixty year period between foundation clubs?

Interesting that we've already given them two this year - if they're really desperate Paul Johnson could be a third - and that Robert Campbell could make it four in 2011 alone.

 

[Ron The Bear]

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From 1950 to 2010 only five players appeared for both Hawthorn and Melbourne.

Is this a record for that sixty year period between foundation clubs?

Not sure what made you look that up, but yes, it is.

   Co Es Fi Ge Ha Me NM Ri St Sy WB
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Ca 14 11 14 15  8 25 19 14 27 14 20
Co    25 29  7 13 18 23 31 13 32 21
Es       14 12 13 14 17 26 18 18 16
Fi           8 13 18 18 21 25 22 13
Ge              8 11 18 18 20 18 16
Ha                 5  8 18 28 16 12
Me                   24 24 27 28 20
NM                      13 14 29 23
Ri                         28 31 30
St                            26 25
Sy                               30

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Ron, I guess I wasn't 100% clear. The questions were for completed seasons only (1897-2010), please disregard season 2011.

1. Which teams have only lost 1 (or 2) of any particular quarter?

2. Which teams have recorded a percentage of 200% for a particular quarter?

Gotcha.

Year Cb Qtr Wn L D
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2011 Ge 3rd  9 - 1
1963 Me 3rd 19 1 -
1932 Ge 3rd 17 1 -
1919 Ca 2nd 16 1 -
2011 Co 4th  9 1 -
1985 Es 1st 22 1 1
1947 Ca 3rd 18 1 2
1961 Fi 4th 14 1 3
1922 Ca 1st 12 1 4
1941 Es 3rd 19 2 -
1908 Es 4th 18 2 -
1964 Ha 1st 16 2 -
1899 Es 3rd 15 2 -
1942 Fi 2nd 13 2 -
1897 Sy 3rd 12 2 -
2011 Co 2nd  8 2 -
2011 Ge 4th  8 2 -
2011 Ha 2nd  8 2 -
1929 Co 4th 17 2 1
2011 WC 1st  7 2 1
2011 Ha 4th  6 2 1

Year Cb Qtr For Aga   %
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1899 Es 3rd 231  73 316.44
1899 Ge 2nd 329 110 299.09
1902 Co 4th 389 133 292.48
1900 Fi 4th 285 105 271.43
1897 Sy 3rd 183  73 250.68
1908 Ca 1st 371 149 248.99
2011 Co 4th 403 163 247.24
1908 Es 4th 379 155 244.52
1899 Es 1st 200  82 243.90
1971 Fi 4th 677 278 243.53
1911 Es 3rd 382 160 238.75
1897 Sy 2nd 207  87 237.93
1897 Es 1st 236 100 236.00
1898 Fi 4th 265 115 230.43
1934 Ri 3rd 561 247 227.13
1898 Co 2nd 222  98 226.53
1897 Ge 4th 242 107 226.17
1897 Me 1st 210  93 225.81
1927 Ri 3rd 488 217 224.88
1898 Es 3rd 229 103 222.33
1908 Ca 3rd 322 146 220.55
1916 Co 2nd 295 134 220.15
1932 Ge 1st 510 234 217.95
1901 Es 1st 316 145 217.93
1903 Fi 2nd 257 120 214.17
1925 Co 4th 453 212 213.68
1901 Es 4th 331 156 212.18
1898 Co 4th 222 105 211.43
1925 Ge 1st 470 223 210.76
1907 Ca 2nd 314 149 210.74
1911 Ca 4th 339 161 210.56
1961 Fi 4th 448 213 210.33
1931 Ri 3rd 511 243 210.29
1905 Ca 3rd 354 170 208.24
1911 Es 1st 383 184 208.15
1928 Co 2nd 486 234 207.69
1898 Es 1st 249 120 207.50
1950 Es 2nd 566 274 206.57
1899 Fi 4th 198  96 206.25
1929 Co 4th 589 287 205.23
1898 Ge 1st 238 116 205.17
1971 St 3rd 724 353 205.10
1901 Fi 4th 257 126 203.97
1899 Co 2nd 206 101 203.96
1937 Ge 1st 539 265 203.40
1919 Ca 2nd 372 183 203.28
1930 Co 3rd 620 305 203.28
1963 Me 3rd 498 245 203.27
1964 Me 3rd 521 257 202.72
1932 Ge 3rd 531 262 202.67
1953 WB 4th 462 228 202.63
1909 Sy 4th 326 161 202.48
1936 Co 1st 559 278 201.08

 

[SJ]

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From 1950 to 2010 only five players appeared for both Hawthorn and Melbourne.

Is this a record for that sixty year period between foundation clubs?

Interesting that we've already given them two this year - if they're really desperate Paul Johnson could be a third - and that Robert Campbell could make it four in 2011 alone.

Hawthorn isn't a foundation club.

 

[worbod]

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Trying to think of players who have kicked 10+ goals in the VFL/AFL and who've done so in other leagues as well:

Simon Beasley (VFL best of 12, WAFL best of 13), George Moloney (VFL - 12, WAFL - 19) and Peter Hudson are names that I thought of straight away. Same goes for Scott Hodges and Malcolm Blight. Perhaps Stephen Kernahan, although I'm not sure.

And then there's players recruited to VFL clubs who kicked 10 goals or more for their VFL Club, but never for the club they were recruited from such as Ross Ditchburn, who kiced 12 for Carlton in 1982, but never kicked more than 8 in a game for his WAFL club, Claremont.

Then there's the near misses. Warren Ralph had 12 10+ hauls in the WAFL, but he never kicked more than 9 in a VFL match (which he got on debut), while the opposite applies to Mark Jackson who had a VFL best of 10, but a WAFL best for South Fremantle of 'only' 9 goals.

Some other names which can be added are:

Peter McKenna, who kicked 10 goal hauls in three different leagues.
His highest in the VFL was 16, he had a best of 12 in the NWFU in Tasmania and then a best of 11 in the VFA for Geelong West. McKenna also kicked 10 in a VFL night series game and also in an interstate game.

Also:
Ted Freyer (VFL best of 12, VFA best of 18)
Bob Pratt (VFL best of 15, VFA best of 22)
Brian Taylor (VFL best of 12, VFA best of 16)
Jack Titus (VFL best of 10, VFA best of 16)
Ron Todd (VFL best of 11, VFA best of 20)
Soapy Vallence (VFL best of 11, VFA best of 20)

Laurie Nash is another near miss having kicked a best of 9 in the VFL and a best of 14 in the VFA.
Stephen Kernahan's best in the SANFL was 7 in the 1985 Grand Final, and Jason Dunstall kicked no more than 8 for Coorparoo.

Is it worth looking at Bob Beecroft's career? He once kicked 10 for Fitzroy. Not sure of his best in the WAFL.

 

[Supermercado]

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Not sure what made you look that up, but yes, it is.

   Co Es Fi Ge Ha Me NM Ri St Sy WB
-----------------------------------
Ca 14 11 14 15  8 25 19 14 27 14 20
Co    25 29  7 13 18 23 31 13 32 21
Es       14 12 13 14 17 26 18 18 16
Fi           8 13 18 18 21 25 22 13
Ge              8 11 18 18 20 18 16
Ha                 5  8 18 28 16 12
Me                   24 24 27 28 20
NM                      13 14 29 23
Ri                         28 31 30
St                            26 25
Sy                               30

Much appreciated! Was adding Kyle Cheney to this page http://demonwiki.org/Hawthorn and realised that not only was there a massive gap between David Flintoff and Bruce but that there had been very little before that as well...

Hawthorn isn't a foundation club.

Oops, brain melt - meant to say pre-1987 clubs.

 

[ClarkeM]

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The last 4 matches have seen winning scores ranging from 111 to 116.
4 matches, 5 point span.
Is this the lowest ratio of such an occurrence of 4 matches in a row or more?