What are the top 10 consecutive losing and winning margins
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1. In Round 15, 2000 both Brisbane Lions and Melbourne had victories by a margin of 69 points. Is this the largest margin to be recorded twice in one round?
2. In Round 19, 1986 Footscray lost to North Melbourne by 57 points. The following week they defeated Melbourne by 57 points. Is this the largest number to be recorded as both a winning and losing margin in successive games by one team?
2. In Round 19, 1986 Footscray lost to North Melbourne by 57 points. The following week they defeated Melbourne by 57 points. Is this the largest number to be recorded as both a winning and losing margin in successive games by one team?
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I remember North Melbourne and Essendon defeating Richmond and Hawthorn respectively by 74 points in R12 2004.
154-80 in both games.
1. A very quick query turns up these:
| Margin | Year | Round |
|---|---|---|
106 | 1944 | 17 |
97 | 1987 | 17 |
82 | 2010 | 17 |
75 | 1992 | 19 |
74 | 2004 | 11 |
72 | 1995 | 8 |
69 | 2000 | 15 |
68 | 1970 | 15 |
67 | 2012 | 6 |
67 | 2017 | 16 |
2.
| Margin | Year | Rounds | Club | Result 1 | Result 2 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
76 | 1989 | 22 & QF | Geel | W | L |
72 | 1971 | 21 & 22 | Syd | L | W |
71 | 1995 | 10 & 11 | Frem | W | L |
63 | 1990 | SF & PF | Ess | L | W |
62 | 1920 | 14 & 15 | Melb | W | L |
59 | 1963 | 1 & 2 | Geel | W | L |
57 | 1986 | 19 & 20 | W.B. | L | W |
57 | 2000 | 16 & 17 | Haw | W | L |
56 | 1979 | 12 & 13 | Rich | W | L |
52 | 2015 | 17 & 18 | Syd | L | W |
Needs clarification.
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What's the most consecutive games from debut a player's achieved a personal best with highest winning margins?
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How many times have the top 5 goalkickers all had 10 goals or over after 3 rounds?
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How many times has the Coleman leader had 17 goals to his name after 3 rounds?
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How many times has the Coleman leader had 17 goals to his name after 3 rounds?
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I think what is he trying to say is:
What is the record streak for a player on debut to win all his matches by an ever increasing margin?
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What is the lowest team score in VFL/AFL history when a team scored the same number of points in each half?
You can see the answer here: AFL Tables - Game Records
There are 3 final scores of 2 points with a team scoring 0.1 in both halves. Carlton in 1898 with 6 points (0.3 x 2) comes next.
From 1970 onwards 26 points is the lowest final score when a team scored the same number of points in each half (13 x 2):
This has occurred twice, in 1978 and 2018.
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Five by Shane Mumford in 2008-09 1-27-30-48-93
Daniel Lloyd started 3-3-8-16-60 in 2017. Then came two draws followed by an 82-point win.
a) 73 times. In 1939 the top 14 all had 10+.
b) After three rounds, leading goalkicker:
> 17 goals, 37 times (most 33 Bob Pratt 1934)
= 17 goals, 10 times
< 17 goals, 78 times (least 7 1897,1900,1901,1902,1918)
I've taken this to mean the same margin in consecutive games by the same club
Wins
| Margin | Club | Year | Rounds | Opponents |
| 87 | Carl | 1987 | 3,4 | W.B./W.C. |
| 74 | Adel | 1998 | 19,20 | P.A./Geel |
| 70 | Coll | 1973 | 3,4 | Geel/St.K |
| 68 | Carl | 1987 | 19,20 | Syd/Geel |
| 57 | Bris | 2002 | 6,7 | Geel/P.A. |
| 54 | Rich | 1939 | 13,14 | W.B./Ess |
| 54 | N.M. | 2012 | 18,19 | Melb/W.B. |
| 52 | Coll | 1919 | 11,12 | St.K/Geel |
| 51 | Carl | 1909 | 14,15 | Melb/Fitz |
| 50 | N.M. | 1979 | 4,5 | Geel/Syd |
| 49 | Syd | 1930 | 7,8 | Haw/W.B. |
Losses
| Margin | Club | Year | Rounds | Opponents |
| 104 | Frem | 2017 | 21,22 | Syd/Rich |
| 101 | Bris | 1991 | 19,20 | Geel/Coll |
| 92 | Syd | 1993 | 15,17 | Coll/Haw |
| 86 | Haw | 2017 | 3,4 | G.C./Geel |
| 76 | Syd | 1972-73 | 22,1 | Rich/Coll |
| 75 | Haw | 1950 | 11,12 | N.M./Geel |
| 74 | Ess | 2011 | 18,19 | Carl/Coll |
| 64 | St.K | 1984 | 9,10 | Rich/Fitz |
| 63 | Melb | 1997 | 13,14 | Haw/Ess |
| 63 | Ess | 2007 | 18,19 | Haw/Frem |
| 63 | Rich | 2008 | 18,19 | Geel/Adel |
Oh, sorry, I worked it out for the last 10 years manually. There must be a quicker way of doing it but I don't have a database. I meant cumulative total points for consecutive losses or wins.
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Consecutive wins (unbroken sequence):
| Combined Margins | Club | Start Yr | Rd |
| +1038 | Ess | 2000 | 1 |
| +944 | Ess | 2000 | 2 |
| +914 | Geel | 2008 | 10 |
| +901 | Ess | 2000 | 3 |
| +865 | Ess | 2000 | 4 |
| +858 | Geel | 2008 | 11 |
| +845 | Geel | 2008 | 12 |
| +838 | Coll | 1928 | SF |
| +834 | Coll | 1928 | GF |
| +830 | Bris | 2001 | 10 |
Consecutive losses (unbroken sequence):
| Combined Margins | Club | Start Yr | Rd |
-2599 | St.K | 1897 | 1 |
-2574 | St.K | 1897 | 2 |
-2534 | St.K | 1897 | 3 |
-2477 | St.K | 1897 | 4 |
-2447 | St.K | 1897 | 5 |
-2410 | St.K | 1897 | 6 |
-2399 | St.K | 1897 | 7 |
-2316 | St.K | 1897 | 8 |
-2292 | St.K | 1897 | 9 |
-2235 | St.K | 1897 | 10 |
For any sequence of 10 games (absolute margins):
| Combined Margins | Club | Start Yr | Rd |
903 | GWS | 2012 | 8 |
885 | GWS | 2012 | 13 |
845 | GWS | 2012 | 9 |
835 | GWS | 2012 | 14 |
810 | GWS | 2012 | 7 |
809 | GWS | 2012 | 10 |
804 | GWS | 2013 | 6 |
804 | GWS | 2013 | 7 |
792 | Fitz | 1996 | 13 |
782 | GWS | 2012 | 6 |
For any sequence of 10 games (losses counted as negative):
| Combined Margins | Club | Start Yr | Rd |
| +721 | Haw | 2012 | 10 |
| +699 | Geel | 2008 | 13 |
| +685 | Geel | 1992 | 3 |
| +674 | Geel | 1989 | 7 |
| +670 | Haw | 2012 | 11 |
| +669 | Geel | 1989 | 6 |
| +659 | Geel | 2008 | 12 |
| +656 | Geel | 2008 | 10 |
| +653 | Geel | 1989 | 2 |
| +646 | Coll | 2011 | 10 |
| … | |||
| -764 | Fitz | 1995 | 13 |
| -767 | GWS | 2012 | 14 |
| -770 | N.M. | 1930 | 11 |
| -775 | N.M. | 1930 | 12 |
| -777 | GWS | 2012 | 9 |
| -792 | Fitz | 1996 | 13 |
| -804 | GWS | 2013 | 7 |
| -804 | GWS | 2013 | 6 |
| -817 | GWS | 2012 | 13 |
| -903 | GWS | 2012 | 8 |
10 consecutive wins (may be interspersed with losses/draws):
| Combined Margins | Club | Start Yr | Rd |
| +787 | Haw | 2012 | 10 |
| +779 | Haw | 2012 | 8 |
| +776 | Geel | 1988 | 18 |
| +775 | Geel | 1992 | 3 |
| +773 | Haw | 2012 | 7 |
| +769 | Geel | 1988 | 21 |
| +674 | Geel | 1988 | 19 |
| +756 | Geel | 1988 | 17 |
| +743 | Geel | 1991 | 19 |
| +739 | Geel | 1989 | 2 |
10 consecutive losses (may be interspersed with wins/draws):
| Combined Margins | Club | Start Yr | Rd |
-903 | GWS | 2012 | 8 |
-879 | GWS | 2012 | 13 |
-863 | GWS | 2012 | 12 |
-850 | GWS | 2012 | 6 |
-841 | GWS | 2012 | 9 |
-831 | GWS | 2012 | 14 |
-811 | Fitz | 1996 | 4 |
-804 | GWS | 2013 | 6 |
-804 | GWS | 2013 | 7 |
-800 | GWS | 2012 | 10 |
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I would like to know when ( and 5 rounds is a decent number ) Footscray and Melb were sitting 1 and 2 on the ladder if ever and both unbeaten as well
Couple of guesses - and it is a long time ago 1961 - i know for a fact Foot and Geel played in the last game - and the winner ( Foot ) got 4th spot and the loser missed the 4 - and the other guess would be 1954 because Footscray beat Melb in the GF
Couple of guesses - and it is a long time ago 1961 - i know for a fact Foot and Geel played in the last game - and the winner ( Foot ) got 4th spot and the loser missed the 4 - and the other guess would be 1954 because Footscray beat Melb in the GF
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This is for those who have the info in a database and can do queries. I know the following examples of teams having more losses than wins, after 5 or 6 rounds, but still won the flag that season.
1975 North Melbourne were 0-4 finished finished 3rd 14-8, won the QF, lost 2nd SF, played 4 finals and won the flag
2005 Sydney were 2-4 finished 3rd 15-7, lost the QF, played 4 finals and won the flag
2007 Geelong were 2-3 just lost at KP, finished top 18-4, and won all 3 finals and the flag.
In 1976 North were 0-3, finished 3rd 15-7, lost the QF, made the GF but lost that.
What teams had a "negative W-L ratio after round 5 was completed, but won the flag, and/or what teams had a "negative W-L ratio after round 6 was completed, but won the flag?
What is the latest round a team has had a negative W-L ratio but still won the flag eg Rd 13 were 6-7 and still won.
Also if someone can confirm the only teams to be 0-4 and still make the finals were
1975 North
2017 Sydney got out to 0-6, but next 16 went 14-2, finished 6th and only 2 losses were to Hawthorn by 6pts both times.
1975 North Melbourne were 0-4 finished finished 3rd 14-8, won the QF, lost 2nd SF, played 4 finals and won the flag
2005 Sydney were 2-4 finished 3rd 15-7, lost the QF, played 4 finals and won the flag
2007 Geelong were 2-3 just lost at KP, finished top 18-4, and won all 3 finals and the flag.
In 1976 North were 0-3, finished 3rd 15-7, lost the QF, made the GF but lost that.
What teams had a "negative W-L ratio after round 5 was completed, but won the flag, and/or what teams had a "negative W-L ratio after round 6 was completed, but won the flag?
What is the latest round a team has had a negative W-L ratio but still won the flag eg Rd 13 were 6-7 and still won.
Also if someone can confirm the only teams to be 0-4 and still make the finals were
1975 North
2017 Sydney got out to 0-6, but next 16 went 14-2, finished 6th and only 2 losses were to Hawthorn by 6pts both times.
This was mentioned by the media last week - Round 2 1955.
Could be a record.
Collingwood scored 13.0 at 3qtr time in R1 1929 before scoring 2 goals and 2 behinds in the final quarter. But we don't know the order of those Q4 scores.
I did check that. The 2 behinds came before the goals, so the run ended on 13 straight.
PHENOMENAL ACCURACY IN ATTACK. - Collingwood 15.2 v. Richmond 11.9. - The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 - 1954) - 29 Apr 1929
Collingwood gave a most convincing display of their power in the highly enjoyable game at Victoria Park. Though Richmond took the field desperately ...
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Adelaide's effort has been described as a record: AFL round 6: Tom Lynch medical substitution, Adelaide Crows vs Hawthorn Hawks score (news.com.au)
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Adelaide must also have created a statistical first.
Having an injured player as their medical sub.
Argus reported that Collingwood went from 13.0 to 13.2.
FOOTBALL - LEAGUE SEASON OPENED. WINTRY CONDITIONS. INTEREST AND ENTHUSIASM. Collingwood's Amazing Accuracy. - The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) - 29 Apr 1929
Footballers had every reason to be satisfied with the opening round of the League premiership competitions on Saturday, for in only one direction could there have been ...
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Edit: as above
Carlton also kicked 13.0 in R20 1970 v Hawthorn.
Adelaide kicked 10.0, then 15.1 v Essendon in R11 2009.
Adelaide kicked 10.0, then 15.1 v Essendon in R11 2009.
