Stats questions

[Bulldog Joe]

Some awful news... Ron the Bear has sadly passed on, according to posters he knew well. One of Bigfooty's finest users, and his contributions will be missed greatly

That is shattering.

Ron was the Guinness Book of AFL Stats

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Some awful news... Ron the Bear has sadly passed on, according to posters he knew well. One of Bigfooty's finest users, and his contributions will be missed greatly

Bloody hell that is very sad. I have loved the stats stuff he has contributed to Big Footy over the 17 years i've been on here, but also his opinions on many issues in the game. Vale Ron.

 

[wertystyy]

I've always admired people who remember the amount of talk from each team and individual players ... it's really cool

 

[Goggin Our Best]

Ron will be sadly missed on this forum

You could fire a stats question off at Midnight - and Ron would have the answer for you at Ten past 12

Condolences to his family and friends

 

[worbod]

It was always interesting to see the depth of how Ron would lay out his statistics.

I remember on one occasion probably ten years ago I made a post in the Weird Football Scores thread. I noted that there had been only one score in league history where the final score had been 99 to 86, making a suitable reference to Get Smart to go along with it. When I next checked back with the thread I saw that somebody replied with the statement that they did not understand my post. Ron had then replied by including a great link to a Get Smart website.

 

[Catsace]

Some awful news... Ron the Bear has sadly passed on, according to posters he knew well. One of Bigfooty's finest users, and his contributions will be missed greatly

Oh gee...That's awful. He'd have only been i think roughly my age, and his contributions to stats and footy in general was just amazing for this forum. Terribly sad news, condolences to his family, his passing leaves a massive void that really can never be filled. I'm devastated reading this sad news

 

[Ogrebait]

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this question but does anyone know when the AFL release their updated player stats - height, weight, etc. - for the upcoming season?

 

[stemline]

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this question but does anyone know when the AFL release their updated player stats - height, weight, etc. - for the upcoming season?

It's probably which ever comes first out of these

• Individual clubs update their website player profiles
• AFL 2022 Season Guide is available to buy
• AFL Pre-Season Record is available to buy

 

[rbartlett]

Just wondering, are there other BF posters in this thread who had access to Ron's database (or had a similar database).

 

[worbod]

Is anybody with a database able to determine the total number of instances each club has been on top of the ladder at the completion of every home and away round? (1897-2021)

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Is anybody with a database able to determine the total number of instances each club has been on top of the ladder at the completion of every home and away round? (1897-2021)

I think this is what you are after

AFL Tables - Ladders

and by year and round

AFL Tables - Ladders - Team by Team

 

[emuboy]

The mid 1950s saw a number of quirky results in regards to ladder finishing positions.

In 1954, Fitzroy started the season on the bottom of the ladder and were still there by the completion of the second last Round 17. However, a win in Round 18 lifted the Lions off the bottom of the ladder for the first and only time that season and relegated St Kilda to the wooden spoon, despite the Saints having not been in last place on the ladder all year until the final round.

The opening round of 1956 saw North Melbourne sit atop the ladder after a big win over St Kilda, but unfortunately for North they would win only two more matches for the season. The completion of Round 18 saw the Kangaroos down and out, finishing on the bottom of the ladder taking the 1956 wooden spoon home to Arden Street.

1957 was a very even season, and five teams shared the bottom spot of the ladder at various times of the year. One of them was Geelong, and unfortunately for the Cats their only week on the bottom of the ladder was in Round 18, with Fitzroy climbing out of 12th position with a win over their feline cousins in the last round, the Lions handing the 1957 wooden spoon to the Cats.

I think (not 100% sure) that North in 1956 were the only wooden spoon team to head the ladder at some stage, but I was wondering if anyone could name any other teams that fit the following criteria:

• Teams that were in first position all year, but lost the minor premiership in the last round
• Minor premiers who only claimed top spot in the final round and did not head the ladder at any other stage during the season
• Eventual premiers who were last at one stage of the season
• Finals teams that only were in a finals position after the final round (discounting 1916)
• Teams that were last all year but avoided the wooden spoon in the last round
• Wooden spoon teams that only were in last spot at the completion of the final round (like Saints 1954, Cats 1957)
• Wooden spoon teams on top of the ladder at some stage of the season (if there are any examples other than the 1956 Kangaroos)

 

[stemline]

Hawthorn won the flag in 1991 after losing round 1 by 86 points... they would have been last on the ladder but a bunch of teams had a bye in round 1 so I don't know if that counts.

 

[Falconista]

The mid 1950s saw a number of quirky results in regards to ladder finishing positions.

In 1954, Fitzroy started the season on the bottom of the ladder and were still there by the completion of the second last Round 17. However, a win in Round 18 lifted the Lions off the bottom of the ladder for the first and only time that season and relegated St Kilda to the wooden spoon, despite the Saints having not been in last place on the ladder all year until the final round.

The opening round of 1956 saw North Melbourne sit atop the ladder after a big win over St Kilda, but unfortunately for North they would win only two more matches for the season. The completion of Round 18 saw the Kangaroos down and out, finishing on the bottom of the ladder taking the 1956 wooden spoon home to Arden Street.

1957 was a very even season, and five teams shared the bottom spot of the ladder at various times of the year. One of them was Geelong, and unfortunately for the Cats their only week on the bottom of the ladder was in Round 18, with Fitzroy climbing out of 12th position with a win over their feline cousins in the last round, the Lions handing the 1957 wooden spoon to the Cats.

I think (not 100% sure) that North in 1956 were the only wooden spoon team to head the ladder at some stage, but I was wondering if anyone could name any other teams that fit the following criteria:

• Teams that were in first position all year, but lost the minor premiership in the last round
• Minor premiers who only claimed top spot in the final round and did not head the ladder at any other stage during the season
• Eventual premiers who were last at one stage of the season
• Finals teams that only were in a finals position after the final round (discounting 1916)
• Teams that were last all year but avoided the wooden spoon in the last round
• Wooden spoon teams that only were in last spot at the completion of the final round (like Saints 1954, Cats 1957)
• Wooden spoon teams on top of the ladder at some stage of the season (if there are any examples other than the 1956 Kangaroos)

2014 in the WAFL, Perth occupied all nine spots on the ladder at the end of a round. Unfortunately for them, they started at the top and slid progressively down to take the spoon. At the end of each round they sat 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 6th, 4th, 5th, 6th, 6th, 7th, 6th, 7th, 7th, 7th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 9th, 9th, 9th, 9th, 9th [and spoon].

It's not happened any other time in a nine or ten team WAFL.

 

[emuboy]

Hawthorn won the flag in 1991 after losing round 1 by 86 points... they would have been last on the ladder but a bunch of teams had a bye in round 1 so I don't know if that counts.

While 7 teams did sit out Round 1 1991 with a bye, if the ladder of the 8 teams that did play is put together Hawthorn still wouldn't have been last. The reason for that is that although Hawthorn lost by the bigger margin of 86-points to Adelaide (Hawks 9.15-69, Crows 24.11-155) Melbourne suffered a 79-point drubbing by the West Coast Eagles in Perth 2.8-20 to 14.15-99, and Melbourne's very low score would have put the Demons last on percentage.

 

[emuboy]

2014 in the WAFL, Perth occupied all nine spots on the ladder at the end of a round. Unfortunately for them, they started at the top and slid progressively down to take the spoon. At the end of each round they sat 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 6th, 4th, 5th, 6th, 6th, 7th, 6th, 7th, 7th, 7th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 9th, 9th, 9th, 9th, 9th [and spoon].

It's not happened any other time in a nine or ten team WAFL.

Yeah, I remember that now. Another strange WAFL season was in 1987, where South Fremantle after three rounds headed the ladder with a record of 3-0. From there they proceeded to lose the last 18 games of the season (one by 210 points but oddly no other matches by 100 points or more), but would only hit the bottom of the ladder at the completion of the final round, when South lost to Claremont and East Perth - which was last at the completion of every round except the first and final rounds - climbed off the bottom of the ladder with an upset win over East Fremantle.

In the SANFL in 1994 Sturt continued on from a good finish to 1993 with big wins in their first two matches to head the ladder. The next three games saw another win and a gallant loss to a top team plus a hefty defeat which was forgivable given this was a young developing team. From then on however, the Double Blues lost their way. At first they just forgot how to win or were unlucky and were losing matches narrowly, but these defeats mounted up and soon Sturt were back to their old ways, losing games by big margins and tumbling down the ladder to last. At the end of the 1994 season Sturt ran 5-17 and finished with their sixth straight wooden spoon, last by four games. Unfortunately, the poor end to the 1994 season was just a taste of the horror show awaiting Sturt in 1995 ...

 

[Wallaby]

Hi all.

With Dylan Grimes

2

Dylan Grimes

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.6

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

5.3

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.4

4star

MG

136.0

2star

D

12.2

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

4.8

3star

M

4.7

4star

T

1.4

2star

MG

136.0

2star

D

9.4

3star

K

3.8

2star

HB

5.6

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.0

3star

being elevated to Richmond Captain, is this the first time that 2 brothers have been captains of different VFL/AFL clubs? I'm sure there have been brothers at the same club (Colliers? Nankervises?).

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Hi all.

With Dylan Grimes being elevated to Richmond Captain, is this the first time that 2 brothers have been captains of different VFL/AFL clubs? I'm sure there have been brothers at the same club (Colliers? Nankervises?).

The Swallows are a more recent case of this.

 

[GrahamClayton]

Could someone tell me what is the record for the for most goals kicked in a VFL/AFL finals series by a player who didn't kick a goal in the home-and-away matches of the same season?

 

[Wallaby]

Could someone tell me what is the record for the for most goals kicked in a VFL/AFL finals series by a player who didn't kick a goal in the home-and-away matches of the same season?

Well, Dermott got 5 in his first game, which I believe was a final, so that's a starting point.

 

[Catsace]

Well, Dermott got 5 in his first game, which I believe was a final, so that's a starting point.

The five goals by Shane Ellen in the 1997 GF were the only goals scored that season by him, he played 6 H & A games, and the four finals. In fact he only scored a behind in the first of those finals against West Coast, then goes out and boots 5 in the Granny. Probably still gives St.Kilda fans nightmares.

 

[worbod]

At the end of the first quarter during the opening round, Melbourne, Richmond, Collingwood and Fremantle had a score of 4.5 (29).

Does anyone know whether a greater number of teams have been on the same score at the end of one particular quarter?

 

[Falchoon]

Some awful news... Ron the Bear has sadly passed on, according to posters he knew well. One of Bigfooty's finest users, and his contributions will be missed greatly

nooo, I had some differences with Ron over our time here but I'm genuinely sad to hear that news.

 

[Catsace]

nooo, I had some differences with Ron over our time here but I'm genuinely sad to hear that news.

Indeed, now the new season is upon us his ability to answer just about any question on this forum is missed more than ever. He had a unique and comprehensive database, and in my case always came up with an answer.

It would be great if the redoubtable Michael Rogers, owner of the fascinating footy stats website Rogers Results could come on here as he has in the past. Indeed anyone with an eye for interesting and amazing stats and coincidences would do well to peruse his site. I find it compelling reading, even if Geelong loses, and he generally has it updated for the completion of each round on the day after the last game is played.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

If there's someone out there who's seen Ron's database and knows how to grab stats the way Ron did and that person's on BigFooty, that would go somewhat of the way to continue Ron's legacy on this website.