Steve Hocking Gone

[Priddis Is Done]

Don't let the door hit you on the way out, FLOG

 

[Infamy]

you had won 1 flag in 37 years and in 2018 when the ‘game was in crisis’ it was only round 6. You were 1 game clear of 7th at the time.

Steve Hocking was appointed in 2017 and started a couple of days after the 2017 premiership with the direction to increase scoring.
Ironically Richmond were still one of the highest scoring teams in the competition, especially in finals

 

[Ron The Bear]

We averaged 113 points per game in our flag years

Richmond have averaged 78. You can probably throw that up to about 82-83 based on the shorter games last year.

so I can’t speak for Brisbane or hawthorn but if attacking dominant footy is desirable then I can see why no major changes were bought in at that time

Historically the premiers are usually among the four highest-scoring teams for the season, notable recent anomalies being Sydney (2005, 14th) and Western Bulldogs (2016, 12th).

It's been observed many times that Richmond plays a different style to the rest - conceding centre clearances, avoiding stoppages and always seeking to move the ball forward. I don't need to point out to you that Richmond and Geelong - the top two scorers 2017-20, separated by 0.33 ppg with a gap to the rest - have contrasting styles. It was utter folly to think that by curtailing one high-scoring and successful team - especially one that plays a unique brand - the broader competition would somehow "open up" and score more freely. But it just might benefit another high-scoring team...

 

[Ron The Bear]

you had won 1 flag in 37 years and in 2018 when the ‘game was in crisis’ it was only round 6. You were 1 game clear of 7th at the time.

Look back at ladder predictions and see how many thought Richmond would fall back down in 2018, "just like the Dogs". After a somewhat sluggish start it was soon apparent that the Tigers were here to stay, hence the takedown commencing.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

We averaged 113 points per game in our flag years

Richmond have averaged 78. You can probably throw that up to about 82-83 based on the shorter games last year.

so I can’t speak for Brisbane or hawthorn but if attacking dominant footy is desirable then I can see why no major changes were bought in at that time

78, what a load of hogwash that figure is.

 

[PhatBoy]

78, what a load of hogwash that figure is.

92, 88, 66 the average score in your three flag years. Extrapolated out your 66 would be about 82 so ok my 83 becomes 87.


26 points less. Again, why would they have tried to change the rules to make the game more appealing when a team is averaging 113 points per game?

 

[Ron The Bear]

92, 88, 66 the average score in your three flag years. Extrapolated out your 66 would be about 82 so ok my 83 becomes 87.

26 points less. Again, why would they have tried to change the rules to make the game more appealing when a team is averaging 113 points per game?

Average against for the premiers has been pretty constant up to the shortened quarters of 2020. It's not like Richmond was strangling the opposition unduly for the top side. Yet the rule changes have targeted our ability to defend.

Year	Club	Avg Agnst
2010	Coll	75.4
2011	Geel	73.6
2012	Syd	74.0
2013	Haw	84.5
2014	Haw	79.4
2015	Haw	70.4
2016	W.B.	73.1
2017	Rich	76.5
2018	W.C.	75.3
2019	Rich	75.6
2020	Rich	51.4*

 

[Meteoric Rise]

92, 88, 66 the average score in your three flag years. Extrapolated out your 66 would be about 82 so ok my 83 becomes 87.


26 points less. Again, why would they have tried to change the rules to make the game more appealing when a team is averaging 113 points per game?

I am not suggesting rules should have been changed to curtail Geelong or any other team.

But equally these recent rule changes being introduced by a Geelong person with a massive and obvious conflict of interest issue to counter a dominant team who kept beating Geelong in finals should never have been allowed to occur.

These type of issues should be considered by less compromised parties than Steven Hocking. I don’t even know how some of you Geelong supporters can show up here with a straight face now.

 

[PhatBoy]

I am not suggesting rules should have been changed to curtail Geelong or any other team.

But equally these recent rule changes being introduced by a Geelong person with a massive and obvious conflict of interest issue to counter a dominant team who kept beating Geelong in finals should never have been allowed to occur.

These type of issues should be considered by less compromised parties than Steven Hocking. I don’t even know how some of you Geelong supporters can show up here with a straight face now.

What was his conflict of interest? 95 per cent of people working in football have some affiliation to a club.

do you think someone in his position just clicks his fingers and says ‘this is what is going to happen, now let it be so.’
That you can keep
Making this stupid angle with a straight face is just as baffling.

reports, research teams, committees, all populated by people with ties to all sorts of AFL clubs. All signed off on by the league boss. All presented to various teams groups and sub committees.

 

[Ron The Bear]

do you think someone in his position just clicks his fingers and says ‘this is what is going to happen, now let it be so.’

When they have a Competition Committee ostensibly set up to guide rule changes, and Hocking tells them out of the blue "By the way we're announcing a reduction in interchange rotations this afternoon", he clearly has a lot of clout.

 

[PhatBoy]

When they have a Competition Committee ostensibly set up to guide rule changes, and Hocking tells them out of the blue "By the way we're announcing a reduction in interchange rotations this afternoon", he clearly has a lot of clout.

Of course he has clout but he doesn’t have total autonomy

 

[Ron The Bear]

Of course he has clout but he doesn’t have total autonomy

Chris Scott phones the orders through and Hocking delivers. Just like the pizza boy, really.

They should give the job to Scott, concurrent with his coaching duties.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

What was his conflict of interest? 95 per cent of people working in football have some affiliation to a club.

do you think someone in his position just clicks his fingers and says ‘this is what is going to happen, now let it be so.’
That you can keep
Making this stupid angle with a straight face is just as baffling.

reports, research teams, committees, all populated by people with ties to all sorts of AFL clubs. All signed off on by the league boss. All presented to various teams groups and sub committees.

What conflict of interest.

Are you serious? Hocking, whilst applying for the job of Geelong FC CEO and carrying on a close friendship with the Geelong coach, has:

- sat in judgement of Geelong players in his MRO role.
- been in charge of the umpiring department.
- played THE key role in the introduction of radical new rules clearly designed to advantage teams who mark the ball over surge teams. Who had the highest mark per match differential in 2020, and by a mile? You guessed it, all roads lead to Geelong. Who was the best surge team in the AFL, and by a mile? Geelong’s perennial finals nemesis, Richmond.

But you already know all of this. You seem to think if you deny it long enough it will cease to be true. But it won’t.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

What conflict of interest.

Are you serious? Hocking, whilst applying for the job of Geelong FC CEO and carrying on a close friendship with the Geelong coach, has:

- sat in judgement of Geelong players in his MRO role.
- been in charge of the umpiring department.
- played THE key role in the introduction of radical new rules clearly designed to advantage teams who mark the ball over surge teams. Who had the highest mark per match differential in 2020, and by a mile? You guessed it, all roads lead to Geelong. Who was the best surge team in the AFL, and by a mile? Geelong’s perennial finals nemesis, Richmond.

But you already know all of this. You seem to think if you deny it long enough it will cease to be true. But it won’t.

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I just want some transparency on the allegations put forward in this article by the Herald-Sun.

If the head of the rules committee was obsessing over the gameplay of one team in 2020, prior to major rule changes in the offseason, it is a scandal.

Why is the veracity of these allegations not being put to AFL HQ?
Loud and clear by anyone interested in the integrity of the game.

 

[PhatBoy]

I just want some transparency on the allegations put forward in this article by the Herald-Sun.

If the head of the rules committee was obsessing over the gameplay of one team in 2020, prior to major rule changes in the offseason, it is a scandal.

Why is the veracity of these allegations not being put to AFL HQ?
Loud and clear by anyone interested in the integrity of the game.

So if the head of football watched hawthorn walk the ball over the line multiple times in a grand final and changed the rule, thats ok even though it’s promoted by watching one team. But this isn’t?

 

[PhatBoy]

What conflict of interest.

Are you serious? Hocking, whilst applying for the job of Geelong FC CEO and carrying on a close friendship with the Geelong coach, has:

- sat in judgement of Geelong players in his MRO role.
- been in charge of the umpiring department.
- played THE key role in the introduction of radical new rules clearly designed to advantage teams who mark the ball over surge teams. Who had the highest mark per match differential in 2020, and by a mile? You guessed it, all roads lead to Geelong. Who was the best surge team in the AFL, and by a mile? Geelong’s perennial finals nemesis, Richmond.

But you already know all of this. You seem to think if you deny it long enough it will cease to be true. But it won’t.

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how long do you think he has been applying for the Geelong job

 

[The 747]

It was only after Richmond started winning that the "game was in crisis" and rules had to be put in place to change the way the game was played.
Didn't happen to Brisbane, Geelong & Hawthorn

Brisbane were subject to a rule change about IV drips. The father-son rule was changed after Geelong benefited. The rushed behind rule was changed after Hawthorn benefited. But yeah, just a conspiracy against Richmond.

So no quote from Steve Hocking despite all the TigerNon posters believing it as fact, and the three clubs mentioned had direct (not suspected) action applied - based on real solid arguments

 

[Meteoric Rise]

how long do you think he has been applying for the Geelong job

How long do you think?

 

[FreddyTwoShoes]

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Hilarious that tigers supporters read this gossip column as a smoking gun. The phrases "Or is it?" and "Word has it" could not be less convincing.

And the photo of Hocking sitting in the umpires section at the grand final that tigers supporters insist was the Geelong bench. Get a grip.

 

[The 747]

What conflict of interest.

Are you serious? Hocking, whilst applying for the job of Geelong FC CEO and carrying on a close friendship with the Geelong coach, has:

- sat in judgement of Geelong players in his MRO role.
- been in charge of the umpiring department.
- played THE key role in the introduction of radical new rules clearly designed to advantage teams who mark the ball over surge teams. Who had the highest mark per match differential in 2020, and by a mile? You guessed it, all roads lead to Geelong. Who was the best surge team in the AFL, and by a mile? Geelong’s perennial finals nemesis, Richmond.

But you already know all of this. You seem to think if you deny it long enough it will cease to be true. But it won’t.

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You can post a photo of an article without a direct quote all you like but it isn't evidence. Stories without evidence that target Richmond are the subject of much whinging on this board by Tiger supporters but they don't like to run it both ways.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Hilarious that tigers supporters read this gossip column as a smoking gun. The phrases "Or is it?" and "Word has it" could not be less convincing.

And the photo of Hocking sitting in the umpires section at the grand final that tigers supporters insist was the Geelong bench. Get a grip.

It was Hocking who left himself open to be gossiped about, we didn’t create his obvious conflict of interest. So to be honest, I would be happy to pass on any gossip about him.

 

[PhatBoy]

How long do you think?

I doubt it has been a 9-12 month process.

 

[bh90210fan]

Look back at ladder predictions and see how many thought Richmond would fall back down in 2018, "just like the Dogs". After a somewhat sluggish start it was soon apparent that the Tigers were here to stay, hence the takedown commencing.

Very clever for Hocking to recruit Kevin Bartlett to lead the charge. The takedown has more twists than an Oceans 11 sequel

 

[chriso11]

Seems to be a correlation between the amount of Richmond posters bagging the game and the performance of their team on field.

Actually I thought 2020 was just as bad. But the shortened games and Covid factor covered the extent of it

 

[JackFlash]

Footy fans hate change, (me included) we finally got someone who had the guts to make some changes to what was a boring game in the past few years. I think he could've done more, the increased length of the Goal Square was one he could'nt get passed Gil and that's a shame as designated kickers now run for 20- 25 withut bouncing the ball! This game needed to be turned on its head a bit, Hocking certainly did that, i hope we get someone even more progressive, not a Gil sycophant?