Society/Culture Support for Big Australia falls dramatically.

[Craven Morehead]

You list these things like they are something new and not already in use?
Do us a favour, city boy.
Leave the farming to the farmers.

 

[Bombermania]

You list these things like they are something new and not already in use?
Do us a favour, city boy.
Leave the farming to the farmers.

I never said the technology was brand new and you did write that technology was changing how farming was conducted.

 

[Craven Morehead]

I never said the technology was brand new and you did write that technology was changing how farming was conducted.

I'm not even sure what your purpose is in contributing to this thread.
Care to re-cap it for me?

 

[Benny78]

Why would anyone want migration unless they're a boss or want to make lots of capital gains? So we can hold hands?

All it does is make finding a job and buying a house harder. If we stopped migration years ago workers would be valued like 10 pound poms and we'd have cheaper houses. Life would be vastly better.

 

[Seeds]

Why would anyone want migration unless they're a boss or want to make lots of capital gains? So we can hold hands?

All it does is make finding a job and buying a house harder. If we stopped migration years ago workers would be valued like 10 pound poms and we'd have cheaper houses. Life would be vastly better.

Migration only has a short term impact on house prices and wages. It has no impact on them in the long term thus stoping immigration years ago would have had no effect on where we are now.

 

[Seeds]

You list these things like they are something new and not already in use?
Do us a favour, city boy.
Leave the farming to the farmers.

What a stupid comment.

 

[Benny78]

Migration only has a short term impact on house prices and wages. It has no impact on them in the long term thus stoping immigration years ago would have had no effect on where we are now.

Too many people is the entire reason for high house prices and low wages. How exactly does 100 extra people competing against one another at auctions and job interviews not translate into higher house prices and overqualified workers?

 

[Bombermania]

Why would anyone want migration unless they're a boss or want to make lots of capital gains? So we can hold hands?

All it does is make finding a job and buying a house harder. If we stopped migration years ago workers would be valued like 10 pound poms and we'd have cheaper houses. Life would be vastly better.

I think there is a potentially bigger impact on housing than there is on employment because with employment it really depends on the type of work being sought, if its construction or service related then a growing population equals more customers so increased demand and employment.

 

[Craven Morehead]

What a stupid comment.

Considering some of the lunacy I have seen you post in here and elsewhere I'll happily stand by it.
Thanks for the reasoned and well researched response.

 

[TimmeT]

Migration only has a short term impact on house prices and wages. It has no impact on them in the long term thus stoping immigration years ago would have had no effect on where we are now.

I don't know where to start with this blatantly incorrect post.

 

[Seeds]

I don't know where to start with this blatantly incorrect post.

If you cant start then maybe you have to revisit your view. Its called cognitive dissonance.

 

[Seeds]

Considering some of the lunacy I have seen you post in here and elsewhere I'll happily stand by it.
Thanks for the reasoned and well researched response.

Childish people do stand by childish comments. Someone lists a set of technologies influencing faming and you respond with let farmers do farming. Its a toddler level illogical response.

 

[Seeds]

Too many people is the entire reason for high house prices and low wages. How exactly does 100 extra people competing against one another at auctions and job interviews not translate into higher house prices and overqualified workers?

That would make sense if there was a fixed unchangable supply of housing. But i will give you some key info. Humans can build houses. Immigration only impacts in the short run. In the long run its constraints on infrastructure and land releases along with tax policies and interest rates which drive housing prices and these all happen regardless of immigration levels.

 

[Benny78]

That would make sense if there was a fixed unchangable supply of housing. But i will give you some key info. Humans can build houses. Immigration only impacts in the short run. In the long run its constraints on infrastructure and land releases along with tax policies and interest rates which drive housing prices and these all happen regardless of immigration levels.

Thanks for they key info. Of course migration raises the price of established housing keep living in fairy trippa land

 

[TimmeT]

If you cant start then maybe you have to revisit your view. Its called cognitive dissonance.

ROFL I'm not the one who is incredibly ignoring the laws of supply and demand when making their argument.

 

[Craven Morehead]

Childish people do stand by childish comments. Someone lists a set of technologies influencing faming and you respond with let farmers do farming. Its a toddler level illogical response.

Well pardon me Mr UppityPants.
If you care to go back to the original discussion it was said that agriculture would be shrinking.
I challenged that view.
You can't even make the distinction between what land WAS being used for and what it IS being used for now, and the economic benefit therein.
You and your mate then went Dr Google and provided answers which are in place already, with most for many decades.
I realise that 'winning' an argument is important for you, however on this occasion you are just dead wrong.
Just stick to city topics, you'll look less idiotic.

 

[its free real estate]

What percentage increase in yields does greater precision and moisture monitoring allow?

 

[Bombermania]

Well pardon me Mr UppityPants.
If you care to go back to the original discussion it was said that agriculture would be shrinking.
I challenged that view.
You can't even make the distinction between what land WAS being used for and what it IS being used for now, and the economic benefit therein.
You and your mate then went Dr Google and provided answers which are in place already, with most for many decades.
I realise that 'winning' an argument is important for you, however on this occasion you are just dead wrong.
Just stick to city topics, you'll look less idiotic.

So you challenged a view that was never made.

well done!

I wrote about technology helping to increase agricultural production and farm productivity.

 

[Bombermania]

What percentage increase in yields does greater precision and moisture monitoring allow?

I think it would enable farmers to better understand the condition of the land enabling better crop management and to better irrigate and in turn would give the farmer a better chance of producing a healthy crop and to avoid over or under watering and over or under use of fertilizers etc.

 

[medusala]

Migration only has a short term impact on house prices and wages. It has no impact on them in the long term thus stoping immigration years ago would have had no effect on where we are now.

It certainly does. It's why USA has so many low paid jobs.

 

[Craven Morehead]

What percentage increase in yields does greater precision and moisture monitoring allow?

Moisture monitoring: This depends on whether you're referring to dryland or irrigation cultivation.
In dryland it is really only helpful at sowing, to ensure that you have sufficient sub-soil moisture to guarantee good germination. Once the crops in it is in the lap of the weather gods. However it can be helpful in the advent of too much rain in helping the prediction of things like rust in wheat crops or an explosion of aphids etc. Mind you, most cocky's still rely on personal observation over technology.
In irrigation, it obviously aids in when to turn on the tap to maintain sufficient moisture, and that's about it.

Precision Farming: It's a bit of a sexy catch-cry for a wide scale of things. The use of GPS in tractors prevents compaction of soils. The better monitoring of fertiliser, pest spray etc obviously improve productivity to an extent. However, the cost can be prohibitive in converting a large scale operation, and a lot of the bigger cocky's (we are notorious tight arses), have yet to see the financial benefit overall.

 

[Chubberson]

Why put more strain on already limited water resources. The Murray/Darling river system says piss off big Australia.

 

[Bombermania]

Why put more strain on already limited water resources. The Murray/Darling river system says piss off big Australia.

They are not related because the Murray Darling situation is more to do with resource management than over population.

 

[Chubberson]

They are not related because the Murray Darling situation is more to do with resource management than over population.

Bullshit. It's both.

Irrigating for rice, cotton and fruit in the hottest country on earth. Which idiots let farmers kill our river system. More people makes the demand on dams and other water sources grow too. It's bereft of any logic to grow a big Australia.

 

[Craven Morehead]

Bullshit. It's both.

Irrigating for rice, cotton and fruit in the hottest country on earth. Which idiots let farmers kill our river system. More people makes the demand on dams and other water sources grow too. It's bereft of any logic to grow a big Australia.

As a farmer, I'll rephrase for you.
"Which idiot let politicians kill our river system?
We have enough water, but it's not being shared equitably.