Swine Flu

[campbell]

Warnings over swine flu 'second wave'.
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25969536-5003402,00.html

"The WHO is still mobilised and worried," spokesman Gregory Hartl said as the global health watchdog kept an anxious eye on some "mysterious" patterns of illness associated with the new A(H1N1) virus that appeared in April.

Influenza traditionally surges to its peak during the northern autumn and winter.

WHO Director General Margaret Chan warned on Friday that there had been second and third waves in previous pandemics.


I wonder what the mysterious patterns were.

 

[dmc333]

I was wondering when this scenario might emerge.

TWO Chilean poultry farms are under quarantine after swine flu was detected in turkeys, the first case of the virus being found in birds, the nation's health ministry and US health officials said yesterday.
Scientists are concerned the virus may combine with the H5N1 bird flu virus, making a more dangerous and easily transmitted strain.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/super-flu-fear-as-swine-strain-moves-to-birds-20090822-eug1.html

 

[maryjames01]

Millions to get vaccinated in oz, not me, whats the point.

 

[Dry Rot]

Looks like significant and nasty mutation of swine flu is under way. This one was pretty inevitable, given what has happened to seasonal flu.

...However, the hospitalized patient in northern California raises concerns that a more aggressive evoltionarily fit H1N1 may be circulation. Many locations, including California, have reported a dramatic increase in hospitalized and fatal cases and the rapid appearance of resistance in prophylatic patients raised concerns that the more severe cases involved Tamiflu resistance that had been silently circulating as a minor population that was missed in routine sequence analysis. These isolates represented a variant of pandemic H1N1 sub-clade, and raised concerns that a dominant H274Y positive sub-clade would emerge, as was seen in seasonal H1N1 last season....

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/08310901/H274Y_CA_Fit.html

Around the world authorities went early to make a vaccine based on the April strain.

Will be interesting to see how effective it is against this more deadly mutated virus which is resistant to our first line antiviral.

 

[Dry Rot]

I thought this would happen - really scary news

H5N1/H1N1 VIRUS CO-INFECTION - EGYPT: ex SAUDI ARABIA

A sample taken from a 28 year-old man who arrived at the port of
Safaga from Saudi Arabia after performing Umrah [pilgrimage] has
tested positive for [both] bird and swine flu [that is, presumably avian
influenza (H5N1) virus and pandemic (H1N1) 2009 virus infections]. He
was immediately detained and held in isolation in a hospital in
Hurghada....

http://www.promedmail.org/pls/otn/f..._BACK_PAGE,F2400_P1001_PUB_MAIL_ID:1000,79041

 

[evo]

Further proof piety is a health hazard.

 

[medusala]

Sinister!

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/cdc-h1n1-forced-quarantine-docs-leak

CDC H1N1 forced quarantine docs leak

Last night Zero Hedge obtained some interesting documents from the CDC web site. They contain blank 'forced quarantine' orders from Iowa and Florida regarding novel H1N1 -- including quarantine to a 'secure detention center'-- which appear to be recent -- dated April 2009. Some may be aware the NIH and CDC just held an H1N1 conference in DC -- August 19-21 2009 -- that focused on 'mass fatality management'. For many, this should be cause for concern. As is becoming clear, our government is quite corrupt. The idea that this same government is now preparing for forced quarantine and mass vaccination should make anyone who has been following recent events shudder. There is something going on here, but governments have not come clean with the public. Why 'secure detention centers' in the U.S. and 'secure vaccination centers' in France if there is nothing to be concerned about? It is becoming increasingly clear that a global mass vaccination campaign is planned -- likely to become mandatory in the 193 WHO member countries, despite serious safety concerns regarding these untested novel H1N1 vaccines, some of which are now known to contain high levels of the deadly adjuvent squalene.

Others may be aware that it was only last week that the Massachusetts State Senate passed a law making it a relatively serious crime to refuse a mandatory vaccination or to break a quarantine order. This law also includes rather astounding violations of the 4th Amendment, including warrantless searches and seizures of property if deemed necessary in an 'emergency'. This new Massachusetts law also included authorizations for illegal arrest without a warrant and of forced vaccination of the public. But the political activity is not limited to the states. Yesterday Obama held meetings with senior cabinet officials regarding H1N1 'pandemic prepardness' including HHS Secretary Sebelius. So this is not idle speculation. There is something going on here. Either the government knows something we do not, or this is the biggest hype since the dot com bubble.

 

[mantis]

Millions to get vaccinated in oz, not me, whats the point.

Me neither, but this scare made the pharmaceutical companies rich.

Seems the pandemic has petered out, now that they have sold their vaccines.

 

[medusala]

Me neither, but this scare made the pharmaceutical companies rich.

As above, in some places you may not get a choice

Others may be aware that it was only last week that the Massachusetts State Senate passed a law making it a relatively serious crime to refuse a mandatory vaccination or to break a quarantine order

 

[mantis]

As above, in some places you may not get a choice

More people died of the Brisbane Flu a few years ago, than have died from Swine Flu.

This is a money based scare tactic.

 

[Dry Rot]

Me neither, but this scare made the pharmaceutical companies rich.

Seems the pandemic has petered out, now that they have sold their vaccines.

Maybe you should come back when you start following what is happening. Check out the what is happening in US colleges and schools now for a start.

 

[mantis]

Maybe you should come back when you start following what is happening. Check out the what is happening in US colleges and schools now for a start.

I'm talking about Australia mate, is it not true that more people died in Australia of the Brisbane Flu, than the Swine Flu?

I still believe it is just a beat up to sell drugs.

I only use public transport, if this Flu was so bad, strange I haven't even had a cold this year.

 

[Eagle87]

Maybe you should come back when you start following what is happening. Check out the what is happening in US colleges and schools now for a start.

Which is?

 

[BomberGal]

I'm talking about Australia mate, is it not true that more people died in Australia of the Brisbane Flu, than the Swine Flu?

I still believe it is just a beat up to sell drugs.

I only use public transport, if this Flu was so bad, strange I haven't even had a cold this year.

Given that the flu and cold are caused by completely different, unrelated viruses, it sounds like you don't even know what you're talking about.

I've had alarmingly more colds this year than I've ever had, as well as probable swine flu - the first flu I've ever had. My doctor commented on it being a particularly bad season for both colds and flu and almost everyone I work with has had more colds too. Not to mention how overwhelmed the cold and flu clinics got at the hospitals.

As they say, it's good to be open minded, but not so open minded your brains fall out. I don't get flu vaccines, but they are incredibly useful for the demographics who are most susceptible. Sure, plenty of people involved in pharmaceutical companies are corrupt, but to suggest it's all a money making scheme betrays a real ignorance of scientific/medical research. People research this stuff that are most certainly not commissioned to do so by pharma companies.

 

[vealesy]

I never paid any attention to this whole swindle flu.

Last week though, a bloke in my industry died as a result of being infected.

Also, a sub contractor came into work on monday and looked like he was on deaths door, I stood 2m from him at all times.

He had been tested for swine flu 3 days prior and came into work on the monday. I was unaware of him being sick/tested.

Result came in on the monday afternoon, swine flu positive, quaranteened.

I feel fine though, as do all others who came into contact with him, I believe.

Why come into work when you're nearly dead. Ive never seen someone so sick. A sick day SAVES the company money fools!

*cough* *cough*

 

[Dry Rot]

Which is?

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/09/02/55-percent-of-colleges-report-swine-flu/UPI-66551251945805/

 

[Dry Rot]

I never paid any attention to this whole swindle flu.

Last week though, a bloke in my industry died as a result of being infected.

Also, a sub contractor came into work on monday and looked like he was on deaths door, I stood 2m from him at all times.

He had been tested for swine flu 3 days prior and came into work on the monday. I was unaware of him being sick/tested.

Result came in on the monday afternoon, swine flu positive, quaranteened.

Still think it's a swindle or a joke?

A few planets are lining up to suggest that the second wave here will be worse, ditto for the northern hemisphere.

 

[vealesy]

Still think it's a swindle or a joke?

A few planets are lining up to suggest that the second wave here will be worse, ditto for the northern hemisphere.

No I know it isn't a joke. But I won't be getting any vaccines.

 

[Dry Rot]

No I know it isn't a joke. But I won't be getting any vaccines.

Same here - look a bit dodgy and may not be effective against Wave 2 mutated swine flu.

 

[mantis]

Same here - look a bit dodgy and may not be effective against Wave 2 mutated swine flu.

OH dear dog Dry Rot, what has happened to you? All this doom & gloom, it isn't going to happen.

 

[mantis]

Given that the flu and cold are caused by completely different, unrelated viruses, it sounds like you don't even know what you're talking about.

I've had alarmingly more colds this year than I've ever had, as well as probable swine flu - the first flu I've ever had. My doctor commented on it being a particularly bad season for both colds and flu and almost everyone I work with has had more colds too. Not to mention how overwhelmed the cold and flu clinics got at the hospitals.

As they say, it's good to be open minded, but not so open minded your brains fall out. I don't get flu vaccines, but they are incredibly useful for the demographics who are most susceptible. Sure, plenty of people involved in pharmaceutical companies are corrupt, but to suggest it's all a money making scheme betrays a real ignorance of scientific/medical research. People research this stuff that are most certainly not commissioned to do so by pharma companies.

Yet another person who avoided answering the question, about more people dying from the Brisbane Flu then the Swine Flu.

 

[Dry Rot]

OH dear dog Dry Rot, what has happened to you? All this doom & gloom, it isn't going to happen.

Well, looks look at the facts which you obviously aren't acquainted with.

There is clear evidence that current swine flu is mutating, picking up Tamiflu resistance.

Previous pandemics since late nineteenth century have shown distinct successive "wave" behaviour.

More often than not, the second or third wave is a lot worse than the first.

Hope this helps you.

 

[Dry Rot]

Yet another person who avoided answering the question, about more people dying from the Brisbane Flu then the Swine Flu.

This winter. And what else is different between the two?

 

[Eagle87]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/09/02/55-percent-of-colleges-report-swine-flu/UPI-66551251945805/

So what DR?

Again you confuse numbers, with theories, apply some magic dust and end up with Armageddon.

So 55% of american colleges have students infected with Swine Flu... Wow.

I'll give you another number, its estimated that 1 million people in NYC have had Swine Flu.

Which of these prove or even suggest any of your doomsday notions are accurate or even likely?

Answer = None.

Its ****ing flu for the 4 millionth time. Its also largely mild in the VAST majority of cases. You have posted suggestions from various websites that there is tamiflu resistance in some people and there may be some tamiflu resistance in some strains of the virus. Again, who cares since 99% of people who get it don't need tamiflu.

You then posted about some guys in the ME testing for both Swine and Bird flu but subsequent investigations suggest this is just an anti-body test showing that someone has been exposed to both - nothing approaching a mutation AT ALL.

The worst MAY happen, as is ALWAYS possible. But NOTHING to date suggests this is happening AT ALL.

All the "possible" scenarios, backed by sketchy "possible" mutations (most of which are harmless even if they prove true) mixed together with history, mixed together with alarmism, ALL add up to one steaming pile of nothing.

As it currently stands, we will likely have an increase in numbers based on the Northern Hemisphere flu season - a second wave if you like. We will inevitably see deaths attributed to swine flu - the Yanks typically average 36,000 deaths per annum from seasonal flu. We may see mutations which are bad and equally we may not.

Thats what we know. Everything else is speculation and you should know this and hence accusations of you being alarmist.

 

[BomberGal]

Yet another person who avoided answering the question, about more people dying from the Brisbane Flu then the Swine Flu.

The Brisbane flu had nothing to do with any points I was making. But I guess you had to disguise your ignorance by making a completely irrelevant statement. What does more people dying from a different disease have to do with anything? Maybe you should start talking about HIV? Maybe you could talk about one of the great flu pandemics of last century? It has absolutely nothing to do with the current virus. I don't know what you're trying to prove - the viruses are real and spreading.

BTW, Dry Rot, it really doesn't matter if the virus evolves resistance to Tamiflu. The drug barely kills the virus as it is. The sensationalist media make this into a far bigger deal than it is - when I get my Nature/New Scientist updates every few days, it really is laughable to compare them to headlines in the general media.