T20 Coach - S.K Warne

[t_94]

Almost no opposition captain has ever done anything right, because none of them have the all out attack attitude of Warne.

Yet routinely we see them succeeding.

They can't ALL be shit.

All out attack, no matter how much Warne wants it to, does not routinely work.


The best T20 international teams are historically the ones who know when to press and when to hold. I doubt very much that Warne would be prepared to preach that.

Not coaching but Warne captained Rajasthan Royals to victory in the first IPL (a team that was tipped to finish bottom at the start of the tournament). For all his flaws he is a cricket genius both tactically and as a player.

 

[PhatBoy]

Not coaching but Warne captained Rajasthan Royals to victory in the first IPL (a team that was tipped to finish bottom at the start of the tournament). For all his flaws he is a cricket both tactically and as a player.

Don't get me wrong, I think he has a lot to offer and as you say, he was a very astute captain. but I don't think his approach would suit players that don't have the skill to deliver exactly what he wants.

 

[Hellgood]

Don't get me wrong, I think he has a lot to offer and as you say, he was a very astute captain. but I don't think his approach would suit players that don't have the skill to deliver exactly what he wants.

I reckon in reality he is actually excellent at this. Did a great job with the fringe / young unestablished sorts at Hampshire and in the IPL.

 

[damochandler]

You know what people's reasoning is for why he should coach? Because he was a great or a champion. Ffs being a great doesn't automatically mean you'll be a great coach

 

[Carbine Chaos]

You know what people's reasoning is for why he should coach? Because he was a great or a champion.

No, it's because he's well known for having an excellent cricketing brain.

 

[Leeda]

Whereas there is no denying his expertise you can't throw in anyone as a manager/coach, people skills are just as important cos people's career and nurturing is at stake.

okay but so is sounding out the potential candidates. never get anywhere if you don't have a crack.

 

[damochandler]

No, it's because he's well known for having an excellent cricketing brain.

Should listen to the media

 

[Hellgood]

You know what people's reasoning is for why he should coach? Because he was a great or a champion. Ffs being a great doesn't automatically mean you'll be a great coach

Have to be pretty ignorant to completely discount the positive influence he had both on and off the field at Hampshire and Rajahstan.

Being a dick in the media or commentary box doesn't discount his wealth of knowledge and talismatic influence on individuals.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Can't see him spending a week doing a coaching course being lectured to by people who know less about the game than he does

 

[scotslad]

Have to be pretty ignorant to completely discount the positive influence he had both on and off the field at Hampshire and Rajahstan.

Being a dick in the media or commentary box doesn't discount his wealth of knowledge and talismatic influence on individuals.

Yes no question about when he has had the chance to lead a team he has done an exemplary job but also all that influence has had a negative impact as well, it was him who wanted Michael clarke at the helm and get Darren lehmann as the coach, what good did that do.

 

[gbatman]

No one in Australia has understood T20 cricket, picking too many specialist bowlers and not enough spinners. Warne might be the man, at least he has played the game.

 

[Hellgood]

Lehmann played a bit of it, but was pre-IPL days.

But on Warne, I think that behind all the starbiz and media guff there's a very clever and genuine motivator in him that brings out the best in people. Noticed this in an article on the Wankhede test of 2006 and Shaun Udal's finest test moment:

Enter an unlikely England saviour: Shane Warne, who played alongside Udal for several seasons at Hampshire during the latter part of their careers. Warne's captaincy brought out the best in Udal, whom he encouraged to be a more confident, attacking spinner. "If it wasn't for him, I'm sure I wouldn't have played Test match cricket," Udal says now. Back in 2006, it was a well-timed telephone call from Australia that helped turned his fortunes around.

"I remember not bowling very well at all in the first four-five overs, going for six an over and thinking, 'What am I doing here?' I was sweating, just in a bad place, really. Then I got a call that night from Warnie, who was playing somewhere in Australia, asking how's it going. I said it's been a bit of a struggle, and he said, 'You've got to believe in yourself, got to remember that you're there on merit, not just there to make up the numbers. It could be your last chance and you don't want to be remembered as someone who didn't give it your best shot on your last go - just relax, mate, and go and enjoy it. What have you got to lose?'"

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/1070545.html

There's a lot of guys from all over the cricketing world who would've (and still would) run through brick walls for him.

Whilst I would be pretty happy seeing a more tried and tested option like Langer or Gillespie given a go, Warne would be a damn good candidate (even if he is remarkably hypocritical about his theory on coaches!).

 

[nineteen eighty]

No announcement yet. That's not my point. Ponting would also be terrific.
The point is CA saying Warne cant do it due to "not having the required coaching certificates'
1000 wickets would trump some certificate I'd have thought?

Essendon Football Club thought the same way.

 

[nineteen eighty]

If Warne is fully committed and deemed a suitable candidate, I have no issue with offering him a coaching role, but not the head coach. That really should go to a suitably qualified person because it's not just about imparting knowledge on players, but also man management and various other aspects.

Personally, I think someone like Justin Langer is far more deserving.

Agree wholeheartedly with your first paragraph.

 

[Leeda]

It's probably a hard gig for a self confessed party boy to want to put himself out there full time so maybe the specialist deal is the one he
needs to take. People with too many irons in the fire don't want things to be all or nothing.

 

[Chuckie357]

Shouldn't have put Marlon Samuels down as a reference Warnie! Unlucky mate

 

[G Mus]

Ponting has taken the gig

 

[Freo Big Fella]

The guy was a hell of a player and understands the game like few others, but the fact he's a cancerous human being is what's sitting in the way of a coaching career (if this isn't just a thought bubble and he genuinely wants one.)

There's a lot of guys from all over the cricketing world who would've (and still would) run through brick walls for him.

There'd probably be just as many who've made it onto his shit list for various indecipherable reasons and petty slights.

Obviously working off second and third-hand information here - but his time at Hampshire was a case in point. Speaking to a couple of blokes who played stints there at the same time, they said he was tactically brilliant, but also fostered a really cliquey and spiteful culture in the playing group. Really great at development; but only if you were one of his mates.

 

[Devoid]

Ponting has taken the gig

You mean Langer? Ponting confirmed today as an assistant alongside Gillespie.

 

[G Mus]

You mean Langer? Ponting confirmed today as an assistant alongside Gillespie.

My bad, only heard on the radio, I'll run with they said it wrong

 

[Scotland]

I don't see a guy who doesn't rate coaches being a particularly good coach.

 

[Mancey]

Would be a biggest cancer to the team culture since Micky Arthur.

Great cricket brain no doubt, but massive ego and plays favourites. No thanks

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Would be a biggest cancer to the team culture since Micky Arthur.

Great cricket brain no doubt, but massive ego and plays favourites. No thanks

Clarke's autobiography gives an interesting perspective on Arthur. Sounds like he certainly wasn't the only one to blame.

 

[Mancey]

Yeah it was probably more clarke tbf

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Yeah it was probably more clarke tbf

I'd say have a read first. The administrators sound like the chumps primarily.