Team Mgmt. Talk about the makeup of our list - midfield balance, height profile, endurance runners

[eth-dog]

Zerk signed for two years. I think that puts a line through getting Talia.

I'm very happy with this, but confused how EFC is treating him. If they rate him more than the guys in the best 22 (because they gave him a 2 year contract), why didn't they give him more games this year?

Doesn't change my post above too much.

I think we need another experienced KPP. Whether it be a forward or back. I still think our defence is undersized.

 

[Ants]

If Francis stays forward, then as it is we'll be trying to fit Stewart, Ridley, Lav, Zerk, and Reid into the backline, with Brand and McBride as long shots. If we rate Zerk and Reid, we need to give them games and that's already 5 players into at most 4 spots. And that assumes Francis stays forward.

Surely if Zerk has stayed, he's been given some assurances about future opportunities. If Talia joins that group of 5 it is 6 into at most 4 spots (and maybe 3 spots). I just don't think it makes sense.

 

[Ambrosia]

Zerk signed for two years. I think that puts a line through getting Talia.

I'm very happy with this, but confused how EFC is treating him. If they rate him more than the guys in the best 22 (because they gave him a 2 year contract), why didn't they give him more games this year?

Doesn't change my post above too much.

Could be wrong but my guess is Zerk has signed a 2 year deal at pretty much the minimum

 

[eth-dog]

If Francis stays forward, then as it is we'll be trying to fit Stewart, Ridley, Lav, Zerk, and Reid into the backline, with Brand and McBride as long shots. If we rate Zerk and Reid, we need to give them games and that's already 5 players into at most 4 spots. And that assumes Francis stays forward.

Surely if Zerk has stayed, he's been given some assurances about future opportunities. If Talia joins that group of 5 it is 6 into at most 4 spots (and maybe 3 spots). I just don't think it makes sense.

McBride is playing forward now. And yeah, even if Francis we're back it would be 6 into 5 spots.

I think we looked much more stable defensively with two keys and Lav playing as a medium.

 

[TheGrizz]

If Francis stays forward, then as it is we'll be trying to fit Stewart, Ridley, Lav, Zerk, and Reid into the backline, with Brand and McBride as long shots. If we rate Zerk and Reid, we need to give them games and that's already 5 players into at most 4 spots. And that assumes Francis stays forward.

Surely if Zerk has stayed, he's been given some assurances about future opportunities. If Talia joins that group of 5 it is 6 into at most 4 spots (and maybe 3 spots). I just don't think it makes sense.

Ridley isnt a KPD. He is KPP height but essentially plays the Brad Sheppard/Nick Vlastuin role.

The position currently holds Stewart, Laverde, Zerk-Thatcher and Reid. McBride has been mostly forward this year.

 

[Bjchan13]

2022 back 7

B Hind Stewart Laverde
HB Reid Ridley Redman Heppell

Seems like a good blend of dash, foot skills, height, decision making and intercept marking. There's enough protection there for Reid too so we're not throwing him to the wolves. Im liking Francis in the forward line at the moment and he is obviously able to go back and help out as extra cover if we need it.

Jones, Wright, Francis im hoping to see as the 3 talls up forward.

That leaves all of Baldwin, BZT, McBride, Eyre and Brand to continue developing in the VFL.

Hurley is a ?

 

[Keystone agony]

He turns 31 in October next year. The season runs through to September

Yeh so which part of what I said in my original statement was incorrect?

 

[Ambrosia]

Ridley isnt a KPD. He is KPP height but essentially plays the Brad Sheppard/Nick Vlastuin role.

The position currently holds Stewart, Laverde, Zerk-Thatcher and Reid. McBride has been mostly forward this year.

He’s spent plenty of time playing tall this year for a guy who isn’t a KPD.

He’s playing more a 3rd tall atm but he has the ability to shift down and up the positional spectrum. By the end of next year I suspect our back 6 will be

FB: Ridley - Stewart - Hind
HB: Redman - Reid - Laverde 7th def: Heppell

Depth: Cutler and BZT

I’m all aboard the Francis as a forward train.

 

[Keystone agony]

If Francis stays forward, then as it is we'll be trying to fit Stewart, Ridley, Lav, Zerk, and Reid into the backline, with Brand and McBride as long shots. If we rate Zerk and Reid, we need to give them games and that's already 5 players into at most 4 spots. And that assumes Francis stays forward.

Surely if Zerk has stayed, he's been given some assurances about future opportunities. If Talia joins that group of 5 it is 6 into at most 4 spots (and maybe 3 spots). I just don't think it makes sense.

It's pretty clear we done rate Zerk or Reid ahead of Stewart or Lav

 

[Lore]

I don't understand why the industry complicates this issue to the extent it does with cut offs based on age when the season starts and ends.

It may be relevant to late developing 18 years olds born late in a draft year but that is it.

Talia is in his 31st year next year. Whether or not he turns 31 by seasons end is not relevant. The issue is the wear on his body over the course of a career which doesn't recognise birth date. It's not an accounting exercise which enables him to delay the effects of the season by a year just because he hasn't reached 31.

My comment was because the two previous comments firstly said he was “only 29” (the glass half full) and the following one said “he’ll be 31 next year” (glass half empty). Which I found vaguely amusing.

I also mentioned that the age really doesn’t matter and many players play beyond 30 anyway these days. I’m more interested in whether he can still play or if his body is starting to let him down.

 

[Bjchan13]

It's pretty clear we done rate Zerk or Reid ahead of Stewart or Lav

Reid would've played more without the glandular and the stress fractures, dont think he needs to be rated ahead of Stewart or Lav, he'll play with them.

 

[faible]

He’s spent plenty of time playing tall this year for a guy who isn’t a KPD.

He’s playing more a 3rd tall atm but he has the ability to shift down and up the positional spectrum. By the end of next year I suspect our back 6 will be

FB: Ridley - Stewart - Hind
HB: Redman - Reid - Laverde 7th def: Heppell

Depth: Cutler and BZT

I’m all aboard the Francis as a forward train.

Ridley's best role will be that 3rd tall IMO. Playing a more unaccountable role where he can intercept mark and use his kicking.

Stewart + Reid as your genuine KPP's with Ridley taking a 3rd tall or medium is probably the ideal setup in the next 3 or so years.

 

[Lore]

Yeh so which part of what I said in my original statement was incorrect?

See above

 

[Ambrosia]

Ridley's best role will be that 3rd tall IMO. Playing a more unaccountable role where he can intercept mark and use his kicking.

Stewart + Reid as your genuine KPP's with Ridley taking a 3rd tall or medium is probably the ideal setup in the next 3 or so years.

Pretty excited to see how they integrate Reid next year. I’d say all of Laverde, Stewart and Ridley have excellent matchup versatility which should give Reid plenty of opportunity to excel at AFL level.

 

[faible]

Pretty excited to see how they integrate Reid next year. I’d say all of Laverde, Stewart and Ridley have excellent matchup versatility which should give Reid plenty of opportunity to excel at AFL level.

Something like Stewart - BZT - Reid playing the 2 x KPD slots, with Ridley & Laverde then Redman and Hind looks like a solid setup to me.

We'll also play a 7th defender e.g. Heppell so long-term someone needs to take that role. Probably not McGrath.

 

[Ants]

Ridley isnt a KPD. He is KPP height but essentially plays the Brad Sheppard/Nick Vlastuin role.

The position currently holds Stewart, Laverde, Zerk-Thatcher and Reid. McBride has been mostly forward this year.

We've chosen to play Ridley as a KP player since early in the year. Even now if Rutten wanted to, he could bring in Zerk and move Ridley out of the KP roles back into the one he played last year. He's chosen not to. Instead, he's playing Cutler as a 4th small/medium defender and Ridley as one of the key position backs.

And McBride spent about 3-4 weeks up forward, not 'mostly'.
You also forgot Brand.

 

[andleanback]

With a few guys having strong finishes to the year and currently in the 22 it’ll be interesting to see what way the delistings go.
Gone - Hooker, Ambrose, mozzie, mcquillian
Going? Hurley zaharakis
Likely to be delisted - Johnson, Gleeson
Up in the air/ 1 year extension - Clarke, Cutler, Cahill

 

[BrunoV]

If Francis stays forward, then as it is we'll be trying to fit Stewart, Ridley, Lav, Zerk, and Reid into the backline, with Brand and McBride as long shots. If we rate Zerk and Reid, we need to give them games and that's already 5 players into at most 4 spots. And that assumes Francis stays forward.

Surely if Zerk has stayed, he's been given some assurances about future opportunities. If Talia joins that group of 5 it is 6 into at most 4 spots (and maybe 3 spots). I just don't think it makes sense.

That we've used Stewart as a third tall for the last month suggests a move forward may be on the cards.

 

[Tazdog]

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[eth-dog]

Something like Stewart - BZT - Reid playing the 2 x KPD slots, with Ridley & Laverde then Redman and Hind looks like a solid setup to me.

We'll also play a 7th defender e.g. Heppell so long-term someone needs to take that role. Probably not McGrath.

Most teams play a 7th defender. If/when Heppell goes a set up of:

Zerk-Thatcher/Reid
Francis/Laverde/Ridley
Redman/Hind

Would be my preference, as I'm still iffy about Stewart defensively.

 

[faible]

Most teams play a 7th defender. If/when Heppell goes a set up of:

Zerk-Thatcher/Reid
Francis/Laverde/Ridley
Redman/Hind

Would be my preference, as I'm still iffy about Stewart defensively.

Reid being a Harris Andrews type KPD would help a lot, as would BZT being strong enough to handle the big guys.

 

[Duckworth]

And McBride spent about 3-4 weeks up forward, not 'mostly'.

Played the first 4 games as a back. Moved forward vs Box Hille and has played 5 games (and presumably the last scratch match) all forward since then. I think we can consider McBride now to be mostly a forward.

 

[Ambrosia]

Played the first 4 games as a back. Moved forward vs Box Hille and has played 5 games (and presumably the last scratch match) all forward since then. I think we can consider McBride now to be mostly a forward.

I wouldn’t be putting any of McBride, Eyre or Brand plus even Reid and Bryan in a forward or back box yet. They’re developing KPPs they could end up playing anywhere.

 

[Tazdog]

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