Tarrant trade?

[Optimax]

Now firstly this is by no means a troll in any way.

I just wanted to ask you, as a large cross section of Fremantle supporters what you thought of the Tarrant medhurst and pick 8 trade now the season is entirely done and dusted.

I as a collingwood supporter beleived we did very well medhurts has cemented his spot in the 22, allowed Didak/Davis to move into the mid field at seasons end and proved he felt welcome to the nest with the goal and celebration against geelong. It alsi seems Medders has learnt some discipline and now chases and tackles in the forward fifty like a mad man good attributes.

Reid who we got with pick 8 has proved himself something special, youngest player on any list, could've kicked five on debut if h got his kicking straight and has shown promise in the fact he can bulk up.

Now i believe tarrant has done well for you guys and allowed pavlich more freedom as he isnt always doubled teamed, and i see him as a major reason as to why you guys got soloman who i believed was a very good pick up and will if he stops getting suspended will be a good player for years to come.

Thanks guys/Girls your views will be appreciated

 

[dominguez]

Solomon would have come across whether we had picked up Tarrant or not.

 

[EastcoastDocker]

Taz has been pretty good other than his kicking but i still think we clearly over paid...

 

[ImperialPurple]

I would rather have Tarrant than Medhurst... but I think we paid too much with the first rounder + Medders. In hindsight, porbably a first rounder on its own, or a second rounder + Medders would sit more comfortably...

But then, Tarrant had no pre-season last year after undergoing surgery on his calves, and it showed when he pretty much ran out of steam towards the end of the year. He had a great first half - he was averaging 2 goals a game up until the Darwin incident... which seemed to stuff his momentum a bit.

I think we will really see the value (or non-value perhaps) of the trade in the next 2-3 years.

 

[Bender571]

If i remember right I think Tarrant cost us Polak, Medders and our first pick because we upgraded the pick to richmonds giving polak and our 1st pick for their 1st pick. But polak was leaving so we had to get something.

I reckon Medders has been play about the same as he did for freo its just now he gets positive collingwood publicity, where as the media in the west took any chance they could to have a go at freo(they'd be all over the 23 goals in 17 games).

In hindsight we probably needed medders when we lost the wiz for over half the season. But the idea of the trade was to help Pav who was double/triple teamed by sydney in the premlim.

I still think Taz has had a good year and will have many to come.

As for Reid its a bit of a guess as to how well he'll go. Also who knows who freo would've picked with pick 8.

Its all very speculative.

 

[wehavethepassion]

it was an over reaction to the loss in the prelim final to bolster the forwardline with tarrant whether they could have developed Tatter & Kiwi further and used # 8 pick(in avery strong draft) to strengthen an averge midfield. If your midfield isn't at least breaking even, the best forwardline in the league won't win you games.

 

[Plugga]

Medhurst had to go, as Farmer is better...so no great loss

We lost pick 10 which Richmond got Nick Riewoldt for...from all reports there was a fair chance that we'd have picked Clayton Collard with our 1st pick anyway, so we didn't really lose out there.

Taz will be better witha full pre-season...had a very good year until about Round 16 & was poor from there on in....

Win-Win for both clubs

As for Polak...who would he have displaced in the current Dockers side at CHB anyway?...Grover...no...Johnson...no.....McPharlin...no....Dodd....no...so again - no great loss. He had a good season for the wooden spooners. Players with ability always look good in poor sides....look @ Dion Woods in 2001/2002

 

[inferno66]

We lost pick 10 which Richmond got Nick Riewoldt for...from all reports there was a fair chance that we'd have picked Clayton Collard with our 1st pick anyway, so we didn't really lose out there.

I agree with you that we would have got Collard with our first pick.
Richmond got Jack Reiwolt by the way.

 

[Ripper]

Medhurst had to go, as Farmer is better...so no great loss

We lost pick 10 which Richmond got Nick Riewoldt for...from all reports there was a fair chance that we'd have picked Clayton Collard with our 1st pick anyway, so we didn't really lose out there.

Taz will be better witha full pre-season...had a very good year until about Round 16 & was poor from there on in....

Win-Win for both clubs

As for Polak...who would he have displaced in the current Dockers side at CHB anyway?...Grover...no...Johnson...no.....McPharlin...no....Dodd....no...so again - no great loss. He had a good season for the wooden spooners. Players with ability always look good in poor sides....look @ Dion Woods in 2001/2002

He would probably displaced Happy Gilmore and robbed him of the chance to show us his stuff.

 

[Frigate]

Taz is only young so plenty of footy left in him. I was so impressed by his engine and effort. Hopefully his kicking can be improved.

Polak was rubbish for us. He will be a good player but he was soft and inconsitent. Glad to see him playing well for Richmond.

Medhurst was also inconsistent, people liked him for his flashy skills on occasion but I totally agree that you simply cant have Medhurst and Farmer in the same team. He had a good year for you guys.

 

[pinkus maximus]

theres no way we would have taken collard with pick 8 or 13

probably more likely petterd who smart had in his top 7

 

[dominguez]

theres no way we would have taken collard with pick 8

I agree.

 

[Thommo 42]

Tarrant will have a very good 2008, stung by criticism and with his first full pre-season since 2003, he will be back to his best - which is very good.

Happy with the deal, as he needed a change - but he will be very good for a rejuvenated Dockers side in 2008.

 

[twoforjoy]

would love to see Taz back in AA form again. i was hoping he would tear it up this year. it took medders a while to settle in at pieland, so maybe likewise for taz and with a full preseason will be taztastic for you guys next year

 

[Jackey J]

Happy with Tarrant trade, should be better next year with the goal kicking. Not basing this on anything but hope as he shouldnt be as bad as he is.

Glad Medders has found a niche in Collingwood, I was sad to see him go.

With hindsight I wonder what our season would have been with him crumbing the forward line with the 'Wiz' absent for the 1st 12 weeks.

 

[DOCKER MAN]

Medhurst had to go, as Farmer is better...so no great loss

We lost pick 10 which Richmond got Nick Riewoldt for...from all reports there was a fair chance that we'd have picked Clayton Collard with our 1st pick anyway, so we didn't really lose out there.

Taz will be better witha full pre-season...had a very good year until about Round 16 & was poor from there on in....

Win-Win for both clubs

As for Polak...who would he have displaced in the current Dockers side at CHB anyway?...Grover...no...Johnson...no.....McPharlin...no....Dodd....no...so again - no great loss. He had a good season for the wooden spooners. Players with ability always look good in poor sides....look @ Dion Woods in 2001/2002

Jack Riewoldt, why did we give them pick 13 for Polak and pick 8

 

[Moo]

I personally was not for the trade but as it sits at the moment both clubs seem relatively happy.

Polak - will tease and tease but not deliver IMHO ....if he does good for him. He is brave and may look good for playing for a team that struggles - however he would not be in our best 22 if he returned tomorrow. He was gone in the PSD anyway, so it was amazing we got anything for him to be honest.

Medders - From our perspective, Farmer is a ton better, and even though he would have been good to keep - not fair on him to sit there waiting. I know some C'wood fans think he is great but to be honest, he is serviceable at best.

I like Medders endeavour, he is a smart player and I always hope he does well.

So Medders and Polly were the change in the deal. The real deal was Taz for pick 8.

No way in the world would we have targetted Clayton with pick 8 (or even 13). I just thank the Lord that Selwood went 7 or we would forever hear we traded Taz for Selwood.

Jetta ...we may have pulled the trigger on....not sure about Reid. I remember being a bit surprised he went top 10.

Taz has had a reasonable year ...if we are honest and peel away the expectation - it was a good year. 21 games - ranked 3rd in marks for us (6.38 compares nicely to Rocca's 5.48), 3rd in goals (this is where he needs to improve).

I think it is interesting to view Pav's stats as he is the one who has benefited from Taz coming ....kicks up (hihgest since 2004), handballs up (highest since 2005), marks up (career high), goals up (career high), points up (career high). In a season where we did not do as well as the previous year.

Taz was brought in to stop the double teams and free him up ....you would have to say it was a success.

Also I am a big believer that Taz will be better in his 2nd and 3rd seasons with us as he adjusts to team mates and conditions.

An honest question for Pies fans .....that prelim final where you just lost to the Cats. Would Taz's 6 marks and role as a link player supporting and clearing space for Rocca/Cloke (ala the role he plays with Pav) - that could have got you a flag?.

From that game ...Rocca (2 marks/0 goals/3 disposals), Rusling (4 marks/2 goals/5 disposals), Cloke (13 marks/3 goals/15 disposals) & Medders (2 marks/3 goals*/5 disposals * 1 was kicked for Rocca).

If you played Taz rather than Medders say ....would Harley have been able to zone off and act as spolier for your bigs? I don't think so ...Taz may ahve his problems but finding the ball is not ....when we were pantsed by the Cats he still got 6 marks, 1 goal and 23 possessions - could of been handy.

So the question may be Taz for Jetta & Medders - I am OK with this.

Are C'wood happy?- it may have just been the flag?

 

[surfsup]

I personally was not for the trade but as it sits at the moment both clubs seem relatively happy.

Polak - will tease and tease but not deliver IMHO ....if he does good for him. He is brave and may look good for playing for a team that struggles - however he would not be in our best 22 if he returned tomorrow. He was gone in the PSD anyway, so it was amazing we got anything for him to be honest.

Medders - From our perspective, Farmer is a ton better, and even though he would have been good to keep - not fair on him to sit there waiting. I know some C'wood fans think he is great but to be honest, he is serviceable at best.

I like Medders endeavour, he is a smart player and I always hope he does well.

So Medders and Polly were the change in the deal. The real deal was Taz for pick 8.

No way in the world would we have targetted Clayton with pick 8 (or even 13). I just thank the Lord that Selwood went 7 or we would forever hear we traded Taz for Selwood.

Jetta ...we may have pulled the trigger on....not sure about Reid. I remember being a bit surprised he went top 10.

Taz has had a reasonable year ...if we are honest and peel away the expectation - it was a good year. 21 games - ranked 3rd in marks for us (6.38 compares nicely to Rocca's 5.48), 3rd in goals (this is where he needs to improve).

I think it is interesting to view Pav's stats as he is the one who has benefited from Taz coming ....kicks up (hihgest since 2004), handballs up (highest since 2005), marks up (career high), goals up (career high), points up (career high). In a season where we did not do as well as the previous year.

Taz was brought in to stop the double teams and free him up ....you would have to say it was a success.

Also I am a big believer that Taz will be better in his 2nd and 3rd seasons with us as he adjusts to team mates and conditions.

An honest question for Pies fans .....that prelim final where you just lost to the Cats. Would Taz's 6 marks and role as a link player supporting and clearing space for Rocca/Cloke (ala the role he plays with Pav) - that could have got you a flag?.

From that game ...Rocca (2 marks/0 goals/3 disposals), Rusling (4 marks/2 goals/5 disposals), Cloke (13 marks/3 goals/15 disposals) & Medders (2 marks/3 goals*/5 disposals * 1 was kicked for Rocca).

If you played Taz rather than Medders say ....would Harley have been able to zone off and act as spolier for your bigs? I don't think so ...Taz may ahve his problems but finding the ball is not ....when we were pantsed by the Cats he still got 6 marks, 1 goal and 23 possessions - could of been handy.

So the question may be Taz for Jetta & Medders - I am OK with this.

Are C'wood happy?- it may have just been the flag?

Well that certainly turned the question around!
Nice one Moo!

- but -

How would Medhurst have played without Farmer in the side for 12 weeks?
Would his inclusion have resulted in us getting in the eight? Hmmm?

 

[Moo]

Well that certainly turned the question around!
Nice one Moo!

- but -

How would Medhurst have played without Farmer in the side for 12 weeks?
Would his inclusion have resulted in us getting in the eight? Hmmm?

Who knows ...he certainly would of been handy.

However as I see it ...kicking scores is not our weak point, so I doubt having Medders down there would have done a great deal towards getting us in the 8. When guys like Peake, Black and Schammer are not there it really hurts us.

 

[SS_Fury]

medders is a better player for the pies- i think mick gets the better out of him than what any freo coach could do. The Taz pick will pay off i rekon, his first year was average but he will be better for it. He is a fantastic lead, very quick with good hands, just needs to work on the kick. I do think Solomon was a good trade though, he has had a great year for freo imo

 

[surfsup]

Who knows ...he certainly would of been handy.

However as I see it ...kicking scores is not our weak point, so I doubt having Medders down there would have done a great deal towards getting us in the 8. When guys like Peake, Black and Schammer are not there it really hurts us.

Yeah, taking those three guys pace away really hurt us, same with Johnnos stupid suspension.

 

[eddiesmith]

An honest question for Pies fans .....that prelim final where you just lost to the Cats. Would Taz's 6 marks and role as a link player supporting and clearing space for Rocca/Cloke (ala the role he plays with Pav) - that could have got you a flag?.

From that game ...Rocca (2 marks/0 goals/3 disposals), Rusling (4 marks/2 goals/5 disposals), Cloke (13 marks/3 goals/15 disposals) & Medders (2 marks/3 goals*/5 disposals * 1 was kicked for Rocca).

If you played Taz rather than Medders say ....would Harley have been able to zone off and act as spolier for your bigs? I don't think so ...Taz may ahve his problems but finding the ball is not ....when we were pantsed by the Cats he still got 6 marks, 1 goal and 23 possessions - could of been handy.

So the question may be Taz for Jetta & Medders - I am OK with this.

Are C'wood happy?- it may have just been the flag?

Very, very, very happy

Cloke took most of the marks that tarrant may have provided whilst Medders gave us something Tarrant never could, goals in a final

I have no doubt whatsoever that we still would have lost with Tarrant there, I do wonder if we even would have made it if Tarrant was there this year, he didnt help our side, as for the zoning off, of course they still would have, we did that when we played you, let Tarrant run free up the wings and put a loose man back who manned up Tarrant whenever he played deep

Also liked your comparison of Rocca and Tarrant for marks taken, whats the point? Rocca takes most of his marks deep, most of them result in scoring shots, Tarrant doesnt, Rocca was no1 in the league for contested marks

Tarrants biggest problem was when being double teamed he didnt make a contest, didnt cause a spillage, now we have Medders he gets the crumbs that Rocca provides and all our targets up forward now make a contest

Glad Freo is happy with giving us Medders and pick 8 for Taz, because we are estatic about it

 

[Moo]

I have no doubt whatsoever that we still would have lost with Tarrant there, I do wonder if we even would have made it if Tarrant was there this year, he didnt help our side, as for the zoning off, of course they still would have, we did that when we played you, let Tarrant run free up the wings and put a loose man back who manned up Tarrant whenever he played deep

Tarrants biggest problem was when being double teamed he didnt make a contest, didnt cause a spillage, now we have Medders he gets the crumbs that Rocca provides and all our targets up forward now make a contest

Not sure it can be dismissed that easily.

Look at the prelim ....Rocca sucked basically and this was due to constantly being double teamed and was pretty ineffective.

Rocca takes the best defender - Scarlett, Cloke normally gets number 2 and Rusling 3 ...Harley took Medders but early on basically just double teamed Rocca....a loose man in defence without actually being a loose man.

We know Medders (we like him too) and yes he can do the spectacular, but he can also go missing. Also remember you could have got Medders of us for chump change - without trading Taz...a late pick would have done it - the core of the deal was 8 for Taz.

C'mon Pies - You don't wonder a little what you could have done with a contributing Taz in the team instead of a 19 year old Reid watching the game? Sure he has his faults but he finds the ball, is respected by the opposition and whilst his goal kicking can be (well you know and in Cloke you have replaced him nicely) - his field passing is very good.

Think about Taz in ....options appear

* Rocca in the ruck instead of Richards/Bryan (where you were smashed beyond recognition by Ottens) - could have pushed Cloke closer to goals - with Taz and Rusling maintaining the 3 prong attack for a quarter or two?

* Hell if you don't like that scenario - against WC - you already knew Rusling/Bryan were not cutting the pace ...Mick could have planned to go in with Richards and Rocca in the ruck and Cloke/Taz/Davis/Didak/Medders* ...you don't lose much and gain a lot.

* Harley made life very hard for Rocca ....even if Taz was out gaining possessions - up the ground Harley would have to have joined him from time to time, or paid respect to Cloke (Rusling as we know was ineffective).

* Basically Cloke was a loan hand up forward (Rusling/Rocca combined - 8 disposals/6 marks/ 2 goals 1 behind/ 3 tackles) ....and you have not once thought what would throwing a bloke in who averages 14 disposals/6.5 marks/1.5 goals into the contest?

Personally when I saw the game 2 things killed you - Rocca was ineffective (I excuse Rusling as he is young and an upcoming type) and Ottens did whatever he liked (with the Cats midfield that is a killer).

Ottens (23 disposals/9marks/1 goal/23 hit outs) versus Bryan/Richards (8 disposals/3 marks/0 goals/22 hit outs) .....it was man against boys stuff wasn't it. Taz in the team - Rocca can go onto the ball and at least make it a contest ...even for a quarter? It was a 5 point game!

Also I remember our game against you very well ......Taz did very well playing the link role (not so good at banging it through the sticks). I remind you it was our Captains one and only dark day kicking at goal - 4 goals 7 in a 9 point loss....he had a lot of room and to be honest if you play off Taz next season - please do and Pav FFS kick straight and life will be good.

Taz got 12 marks and 27 disposals in that game not being respected - Medders (who was the one being zoned off in the prelim) got 5 disposals and 2 marks....do you really think Geelong would be able to zone off that? The fact is Harley played loose man in defence without actually being a loose man ....when Medders goaled - he was suddenly being followed and Cloke managed to free himself up.

It is all speculation - it is funny though we catch a lot for misjudging our window of opportunity and trading for vets ....I wonder if C'wood should not feel some heat for misjudging their window. A GF against Port on form - you would think the Pies would have gone very well.

 

[eddiesmith]

I think you forget that Tarrant goes missing in finals, has had a couple of 3 goal games when we won comfortably but we often wonder if we would have won in 02 if he didnt go missing or we had a better forward there

As for Rocca, he cant ruck and hasnt since his achilles injury, so it wouldnt matter who was in, if Taz played then Rusling wouldnt, sure he didnt have the greatest of games but there is no guarantee Taz would have done better

No use bringing up his averages and stats from during the season, its his finals that sucks

He averages 1.4 goals and 1.9 behinds in finals, so he replaces Ruslings 2 goals and we are worse off

Also may not have won in the west either if he played, he was useless in a 14 point loss there last year

I am glad you are happy with Taz but we have plenty of games in the past where we wonder if only Taz had done something we would have won, this would have been another one

 

[Moo]

Fair enough Ed.