News Tassie Devils' draft concessions - effect on Port and general discussion

[RussellEbertHandball]

The AFL announced the Tassie Devils' concessions today. Given these sort of concessions like with Gold Coast and the GWS will play thru the system for over a decade I thought specific thread to upfront see how these affect Port as well as all clubs and then watch these concessions compound over time, be kept in one place rather than in multiple threads.

The GWS in particular have used most of their 1,2,3,5,7,9,11,13 and 15 picks they got in their initial draft, to continually get access to high draft picks as these top 15 players left and were traded out for top 5/10 pick and then even those replacement top 5/10 picks ask to be traded back home and another set of top 5/10 picks get generated even though GWS play in lots of PFs and SFs.

Then there are the Academies and the compounding long term benefits they generate.

This is an the AFL statement - copied onto an AFL discussion website so mods please leave all the statement up - its no different to quoting slabs of AFL Rules or Regulations or the CBA.

Tasmania Devils Football Club list build concessions

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The AFL Commission has approved the list build concessions for the Tasmania Devils Football Club (TDFC) ahead of their entry into the Toyota AFL Premiership.

The concessions are as follows:

1. Flexible List Size

A flexible list size over their first five AFL seasons, allowing up to 48 players on the list maximum for years 2, 3 and 4 before transitioning back to industry levels by year 6.

1. Access to Existing AFL Talent

The ability to sign up to 18 out-of-contract AFL players across a 2-year window (covering the years immediately prior to TDFC entry year and TDFC entry year), with a maximum of one (1) player per Club in total. [so Port potentially can lose 1 player under these rules]

1. Signing Bonus

Access to a signing bonus pool of $5,000,000 outside of the AFL Salary Cap, to be utilised over TDFC’s first two years (maximum spend of $3,000,000 in either year).

1. Expansion Compensation Model

A bespoke compensation model designed to compensate the existing 18 clubs for any loss of talent, with that compensation provided in the form of one or more ‘floating’ draft selections whereby the recipient Club may determine what year the selections fall in. [ie we will make shit up as we go along and benefit certain teams over others].

1. Tasmanian Academy

The provision of a Tasmanian Academy consistent with the Northern Academy model, with the ability to pre-list eligible Academy players for the first four (4) years before that access is reviewed prior to a transition to bidding system access. [Zones like WA and SA clubs got when they entered but 4 years and not 2 like WCE, crows and Freo and 1 for Port]

1. Tasmanian Talent Access

Access to pre-list Tasmanian pathway players from two years prior to TDFC entry year in the AFL competition (i.e., players that are eligible to be drafted and play in the AFL in the year prior to TDFC entry year), with these players to participate in State League in the year prior to TDFC entry year. Ability to access players as Father-Son eligible where their father was born in Tasmania and played at least 100 AFL matches.

[FMD we couldn't get access to Port Adelaide Magpies son of 100 game fathers, but Tassie get access to the Riewoldts' sons, Matthew Richardson

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's son's etc. Yes the kids have the right to choose dad's club or Tassie, but still....]

1. 17-year-old Talent

The ability to pre-list players in their 17th year, spread across two years (year prior to the inaugural list build year = players eligible to play in TDFC entry year in AFL competition, and year of inaugural list build year = players eligible to play in TDFC second year in AFL competition).

[No details on how many and for 2 years not 1 like GC and GWS]

1. 17-year-old Mini-Draft

The provision of two (2) draft selections for two (2) Mini-Drafts of 17-year-old players (i.e, four selections in total – two each in years immediately prior to TDFC entry year and TDFC entry year), with the requirement for those picks to be traded. Players selected in the mini draft will not be eligible for AFL selection in the year immediately following the relevant mini draft.

1. Draft Capital

The provision of the following draft selections over three National Drafts:

• in TDFC’s first National Draft ahead of their entry year, selections 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13 and the first selection of each subsequent round (noting that selections 5, 7, 11 and 13 must be traded but may be rolled forward for up to two National Drafts);
• 
  
• in TDFC’s second National Draft, selections 5 and 9 and the first selection in each subsequent round in addition to their natural draft hand (noting that selection 5 must be traded but may be rolled forward to the next National Draft); and
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• in TDFC’s third National Draft, selections 5 and 9 in addition to their natural draft hand (noting that selection 5 must be traded).

So in 2nd year they get 2 x Rd2 picks, 2 x Rd3 picks, 2 x Rd4 picks, 2 x Rd5 picks etc,

1. Previously Nominated Players

Access to directly pre-list players who have previously nominated for the National Draft but have not been selected or are not currently listed for the purposes of retention or trade.

1. Second Tier Assistance

Additional capacity to support their second-tier program.

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Proposed changes to the AFL National Draft

Additionally, the AFL Commission also committed to amending the AFL National Draft bidding system for the 2026 AFL National Draft.

Any changes will take into account a thorough review of the 2025 AFL National Draft and will be formally communicated to clubs following the 2025 AFL National Draft.

Clubs have been notified that that the changes will consider:

• a cap on the number of draft selections that can be used to match a bid;
• the DVI points value required to match a bid (including the removal of discounts or application of loading); and
• the allowable DVI deficit.

A review of the current model for provision of special assistance will also be conducted in conjunction with the AFL National Draft bidding system.

The list concession mechanisms provided to the Tasmania Devils Football Club will be subject to review and change should there be material change to the AFL National Draft System.

 

[Portology]

Presumably the mini-draft excludes 17YO who would be F/S eligible the following year. Otherwise things get messy.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Presumably the mini-draft excludes 17YO who would be F/S eligible the following year. Otherwise things get messy.

Based on the GWS mini draft experience in 2011 and 2012, it will be up to other clubs to go seek out 17 year olds and say to Tassie we want player X or Y and we are prepared to pick him up via the mini draft and trade pick(s) xxx with you and the player and Tassie have to agree. A father-son if he doesn't want to go to the father's club might say yeah I want to go to that club.

This is how the only other mini draft worked.

2011 AFL draft - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Greater Western Sydney were not permitted to use these draft picks directly, but had to trade them to other clubs. In 2011, Gold Coast and Adelaide secured trades with GWS for selections in this draft, leaving two selections remaining for the 2012 AFL Draft.

Pick	Player	Recruited from	League	Club
1	Jaeger O'Meara	Perth	WAFL	Gold Coast
2	Brad Crouch	North Ballarat Rebels	TAC Cup	Adelaide

GC gave up

Trade	Player	Traded from	Traded to	Traded for

4[13]

draft pick No. 4 compensation draft pick (first round)

Gold Coast

Greater Western Sydney

Mini-draft pick No. 1 draft pick No. 31

...................................................................................................................Adelaide gave up

7[16]

Luke Brown (Norwood) Mini-draft pick No. 2

Greater Western Sydney

Adelaide

draft pick No. 10 compensation draft pick (first round)

Both the GC and GWS had 2 years where they had access to 10 state league players for 2 years. That's how the crows got Luke Brown direct from Norwood ... no need to go thru the draft. It wasn't really a list of 10 players it was AFL Clubs saying to GC and GWS we want player X from WAFL or SANFL and we will give you this pick/player in the trade.

In 2010 Collingwood got Andrew Krakouer from Swan District (after a 14 month stint in jail) via 1 of these 10 listed state league players GC had access to - in 2010 he had won a Sandover medal, the Simpson medal for best player in the GF and won the GF for Swan Districts with 42 disposals and 4 goals, with Swan Districts beating Claremont by 1 pt (their first flag since 1990).

In 2010 we went with the amazing State league player

2010 AFL draft - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

19

Simon Philips and draft pick #35

Gold Coast

Port Adelaide

Second round compensation pick

2012 in the 2nd mini draft for GWS.

2012 AFL draft - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

As part of their entry concessions, Greater Western Sydney was allocated up to four selections in a mini-draft, which could be used to recruit seventeen-year-olds who would not otherwise be eligible for that year's national draft. These players could not play senior AFL football until the 2014 season. GWS could not use these draft picks themselves, but could trade them to other clubs prior to either the 2011 or 2012 AFL Drafts. In 2011, Gold Coast and Adelaide negotiated trades with GWS for selections in this draft and selected Jaeger O'Meara and Brad Crouch. The two remaining selections for the 2012 mini-draft were obtained by the Gold Coast (pick No. 1) and Melbourne (pick No. 2). Western Australian youngsters Jack Martin and Jesse Hogan were widely expected to be taken with the two Mini-draft picks.[69]

Pick	Player	Recruited from	League	Club
1	Jack Martin	Claremont Football Club	WAFL	Gold Coast
2	Jesse Hogan	Claremont Football Club	WAFL	Melbourne

Trades for these 2 mini draft picks

Trade #	Player and/or picks traded	Traded from	Traded to	Traded for
1[26]	Draft picks No. 2 and 67 End of first-round (Brennan) compensation pick	Gold Coast	Greater Western Sydney	GWS Mini-draft pick No. 1 End of first-round (Palmer) compensation pick

5

GWS Mini-draft pick No.2 Dominic Barry (North Ballarat) Draft pick No. 20 (Davis compensation selection)

Greater Western Sydney

Melbourne

Draft picks No. 3 and 14 (Scully compensation selection)

As you can see these concessions play out over the next decade or so. In 2025 O'Meara, Martin, and Hogan were still on AFL lists and Brad Crouch had a 10+ year career, that was limited somewhat by serious knee issues.

 

[soafraid]

what happens when they dont build the stadium because the government is insolvent?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

what happens when they dont build the stadium because the government is insolvent?

Depends which can gets kicked down the road at AFL House.

 

[scotty13]

How does this compare to the GWS and GC entries? Is it about the same, a better deal or worse deal?

We were not at a good spot as a club when GC and GWS impacted what players we were able to draft. Thankfully ATM, we are in a much better spot, but if WCE and North can't get their shit together, going to be another decade of pain for them

 

[Portology]

Based on the GWS mini draft experience in 2011 and 2012, it will be up to other clubs to go seek out 17 year olds and say to Tassie we want player X or Y and we are prepared to pick him up via the mini draft and trade pick(s) xxx with you and the player and Tassie have to agree. A father-son if he doesn't want to go to the father's club might say yeah I want to go to that club.

This is how the only other mini draft worked.

2011 AFL draft - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Greater Western Sydney were not permitted to use these draft picks directly, but had to trade them to other clubs. In 2011, Gold Coast and Adelaide secured trades with GWS for selections in this draft, leaving two selections remaining for the 2012 AFL Draft.

Pick	Player	Recruited from	League	Club
1	Jaeger O'Meara	Perth	WAFL	Gold Coast
2	Brad Crouch	North Ballarat Rebels	TAC Cup	Adelaide

GC gave up

Trade	Player	Traded from	Traded to	Traded for

4[13]

draft pick No. 4 compensation draft pick (first round)

Gold Coast

Greater Western Sydney

Mini-draft pick No. 1 draft pick No. 31

...................................................................................................................Adelaide gave up

7[16]

Luke Brown (Norwood) Mini-draft pick No. 2

Greater Western Sydney

Adelaide

draft pick No. 10 compensation draft pick (first round)

Both the GC and GWS had 2 years where they had access to 10 state league players for 2 years. That's how the crows got Luke Brown direct from Norwood ... no need to go thru the draft. It wasn't really a list of 10 players it was AFL Clubs saying to GC and GWS we want player X from WAFL or SANFL and we will give you this pick/player in the trade.

In 2010 Collingwood got Andrew Krakouer from Swan District (after a 14 month stint in jail) via 1 of these 10 listed state league players GC had access to - in 2010 he had won a Sandover medal, the Simpson medal for best player in the GF and won the GF for Swan Districts with 42 disposals and 4 goals, with Swan Districts beating Claremont by 1 pt (their first flag since 1990).

In 2010 we went with the amazing State league player

2010 AFL draft - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

19

Simon Philips and draft pick #35

Gold Coast

Port Adelaide

Second round compensation pick

2012 in the 2nd mini draft for GWS.

2012 AFL draft - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

As part of their entry concessions, Greater Western Sydney was allocated up to four selections in a mini-draft, which could be used to recruit seventeen-year-olds who would not otherwise be eligible for that year's national draft. These players could not play senior AFL football until the 2014 season. GWS could not use these draft picks themselves, but could trade them to other clubs prior to either the 2011 or 2012 AFL Drafts. In 2011, Gold Coast and Adelaide negotiated trades with GWS for selections in this draft and selected Jaeger O'Meara and Brad Crouch. The two remaining selections for the 2012 mini-draft were obtained by the Gold Coast (pick No. 1) and Melbourne (pick No. 2). Western Australian youngsters Jack Martin and Jesse Hogan were widely expected to be taken with the two Mini-draft picks.[69]

Pick	Player	Recruited from	League	Club
1	Jack Martin	Claremont Football Club	WAFL	Gold Coast
2	Jesse Hogan	Claremont Football Club	WAFL	Melbourne

Trades for these 2 mini draft picks

Trade #	Player and/or picks traded	Traded from	Traded to	Traded for
1[26]	Draft picks No. 2 and 67 End of first-round (Brennan) compensation pick	Gold Coast	Greater Western Sydney	GWS Mini-draft pick No. 1 End of first-round (Palmer) compensation pick

5

GWS Mini-draft pick No.2 Dominic Barry (North Ballarat) Draft pick No. 20 (Davis compensation selection)

Greater Western Sydney

Melbourne

Draft picks No. 3 and 14 (Scully compensation selection)

As you can see these concessions play out over the next decade or so. In 2025 O'Meara, Martin, and Hogan were still on AFL lists and Brad Crouch had a 10+ year career, that was limited somewhat by serious knee issues.

Ok so what you’re telling me is it hasn’t happened yet but no one has explicitly tested what is essentially a hostage or blackmail scenario

 

[MrChow]

The impact on us, is that if we say finished 6th, and we would usually have say Pick 13 (or 15 after academy players)

With the Tassie draft concessions, they will get 7 picks, which would push a Pick 15 to Pick 22.

This will basically make it impossible to get Zemes or Salopek, unless we can convince somebody to go to Tassie, and Tassie are willing to give up some of their decent picks they have to trade.

Bergman will be uncontracted at this date if he doesn’t sign. Effectively this means he could move to Tassie, and we would get a compensation pick.

The AFL will decide the compensation picks, so look out - watch the Vic players be valued at ridiculous value. These compensation picks will further push out the draft order depending on the quality of players that goes. Suddenly finishing 6th might mean your first round Pick is now Pick 25-30.

So, what that means is this year, a future future first from a decent club is worth SFA.

It would be a real gamble to try and get a future future 1st, even from a lower table club - incase a team skyrockets.

We should be doing everything we can to hold our players Butters and Bergman. As clubs future 1st picks will be worth much less.

There will be a possibility though of exploiting the situation, but you’d have to be willing to give up a semi decent player, and you could extract one of their first round picks and on the side get them to not Pick our draft targets, helping them slide.

 

[GremioPower]

[Zones like WA and SA clubs got when they entered but 4 years and not 2 like WCE, crows and Freo and 1 for Port]

[FMD we couldn't get access to Port Adelaide Magpies son of 100 game fathers, but Tassie get access to the Riewoldts' sons, Matthew Richardson 's sons, Alex Pearce 's sons, Toby Nankervis ' sons, Jeremy Howe 's son's etc. Yes the kids have the right to choose dad's club or Tassie, but still....]

The AFL House actually respected (fear) us more than they will ever admit...

 

[OnTheWagon]

You guys are all over this a lot better than me.
What's the current status on future academy and f&s picks such as pilot & Salopek. Are we gonna get screwed by the afl just before its our turn to benefit.

 

[Macca19]

You guys are all over this a lot better than me.
What's the current status on future academy and f&s picks such as pilot & Salopek. Are we gonna get screwed by the afl just before its our turn to benefit.

Doesnt look like it. FS is staying. Its just the cost will be higher

 

[StueyDaDew]

Imagine being a 17 year old living on the mainland, just finished school exams then having to be forced to move to Tassie.
It'll be like moving home to move in with Nana...

Has their shiny new stadium even been ticked off yet?

 

[The Terrible Thinker]

Imagine being a 17 year old living on the mainland, just finished school exams then having to be forced to move to Tassie.
It'll be like moving home to move in with Nana...

Has their shiny new stadium even been ticked off yet?

November 4th is when we find out I think.

The Stadium! - Timeline Nov 4th

Hey, I thought we needed a thread to discuss all things around the Hobart Macquarie Point stadium! What should it be called (e.g. the devil's den), its design, capacity and what amenities/carpark/railway/corporate facilities it needs to succeed. Feel free to discuss all things stadium related...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

AFL confirm Tassie will have access to 12 x 17 year olds like GC and GWS did, but over 2 years, not 1.

I have no idea why AFL didn't announce the number the other day when they released their statement about all of Tassie concessions.

Either they were trying to sneak a higher number, like 20 and clubs pushed back, or they are just farken lazy.

 

[Andre]

Josh was right to tell Butters we're gunning for a flag. There's no point bottoming out the next 3 or 4 years, you aren't going to get any help from the draft and we don't have a Northern Academy to mitigate it. We've supposedly some really good F/S on the way, but until we actually get one that would have gone first round, I won't count those as any help as yet.

 

[StueyDaDew]

AFL confirm Tassie will have access to 12 x 17 year olds like GC and GWS did, but over 2 years, not 1.

I have no idea why AFL didn't announce the number the other day when they released their statement about all of Tassie concessions.

Either they were trying to sneak a higher number, like 20 and clubs pushed back, or they are just farken lazy.

This whole Devil franchise thing is a massive fail by the AFL dept.

The Tas Parliament is yet to even agree to building a stadium.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

If Butters is on his way next year and hopefully he's not but if he is, it looks like the Bulldogs will be able to trade Ryley Sanders to the Tassie Devils and get one of their early picks to start the ball rolling.

 

[MrChow]

Josh was right to tell Butters we're gunning for a flag. There's no point bottoming out the next 3 or 4 years, you aren't going to get any help from the draft and we don't have a Northern Academy to mitigate it. We've supposedly some really good F/S on the way, but until we actually get one that would have gone first round, I won't count those as any help as yet.

I agree, at the same time if Butters and Bergman were on long term contracts, we could make better long term list decisions.

Next year, and where we finish, has huge ramifications on holding the group together, and recruiting decent players like Bailey or NWM.

A good year, ie if we win the flag suddenly inflates the value of everyone on the list. I’d actually love to see Marshall have a huge couple of years, and then consider trading him to Tassie for Zemes and Salopek.

One can dream.

 

[philthy05]

AFL confirm Tassie will have access to 12 x 17 year olds like GC and GWS did, but over 2 years, not 1.

I have no idea why AFL didn't announce the number the other day when they released their statement about all of Tassie concessions.

Either they were trying to sneak a higher number, like 20 and clubs pushed back, or they are just farken lazy.

Do we know if this gives them possible access to Pilot?

 

[Andre]

I agree, at the same time if Butters and Bergman were on long term contracts, we could make better long term list decisions.

Next year, and where we finish, has huge ramifications on holding the group together, and recruiting decent players like Bailey or NWM.

A good year, ie if we win the flag suddenly inflates the value of everyone on the list. I’d actually love to see Marshall have a huge couple of years, and then consider trading him to Tassie for Zemes and Salopek.

One can dream.

This is when smart clubs are ruthless. They trade out players in the 15-25 range for an all-time high, before the gloss of a flag wears off. Port stuffed this in 2004. Carr left (but undervalued), but the one I really think we missed out was trading Thurstans. Bog average KPF, but 3 goals in a GF, when several clubs were in dire need of a KPF. We could have gotten a good first round pick for him. Though not trading players at all time highs continued as a theme. The non-trading of Lobbe and Hartlett when they were overpriced continues to irk me.

At least we won't have CD involved in trades - 'Opposition club - We offer a second tops. CD - Ha! We won't take anything less than a third! Opposition club - we reluctantly offer a third. CD to himself 'You've still got it Costanza'.

 

[DSL64]

Do we know if this gives them possible access to Pilot?

No, unless Pilot agrees to it.

 

[tribey]

Is there still a chance this could fall over?

Unless you’re David Boon there’s literally no benefit whatsoever.

 

[MrChow]

This is when smart clubs are ruthless. They trade out players in the 15-25 range for an all-time high, before the gloss of a flag wears off. Port stuffed this in 2004. Carr left (but undervalued), but the one I really think we missed out was trading Thurstans. Bog average KPF, but 3 goals in a GF, when several clubs were in dire need of a KPF. We could have gotten a good first round pick for him. Though not trading players at all time highs continued as a theme. The non-trading of Lobbe and Hartlett when they were overpriced continues to irk me.

At least we won't have CD involved in trades - 'Opposition club - We offer a second tops. CD - Ha! We won't take anything less than a third! Opposition club - we reluctantly offer a third. CD to himself 'You've still got it Costanza'.

Yeah there were some missed opportunities. I don’t think clubs had cottoned on in the mid 2000s how to list build. And yeah not trading Lobbe, maybe even Lord wasn’t great - we did get the Wingard/Polec right though.

I think it’s a bloody big call to trade out those 15-25 players though. And because it is so much more difficult to recruit players to SA, and we dont have the depth that having a northern academy affords you, it is a challenge, to pull the trigger.

I think being ruthless is an admirable trait for a footy club. Unfortunately there is so much disadvantage across the comp with Vic bias and northern academies, I don’t think being ruthless changes the fact that we are operating on low draft capital, and being in a place hard to recruit needs in the list (less sponsorship/media money, etc).

Our list position is actually pretty good considering we didn’t bottom out and load up on priority picks (which we couldn’t financially afford). The club explicitly said they were building a list long term like Sydney or Gellongs model. The only difference is they won flags.

Compare us to Richmond that chose to bottom out - they got Rance as a priority pick, if Richmond doesn’t have Rance do we beat them in the prelim, win the flag, and then are we seen as a successful destination club. Then we recruit some decent free agents, which we haven’t done for ages.

It’s these advantages, that shape the competition. So again being ruthless is admirable, but having an equal competition is way more important - then you can be ruthless.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Is there still a chance this could fall over?

Unless you’re David Boon there’s literally no benefit whatsoever.

I heard a Tassie politician yesterday call it Tasmania's equivalent to the moon landing.

And he was opposed to it!

 

[DaTBird187]

Is there still a chance this could fall over?