Team defence

[hurlygurdy]

I think the team tackling situation is correlated to the whole team gelling issue. Same goes for team defense. When you haven't played with a group much then you struggle to do anything as a unit.

 

[Killer_Mike]

You'd need some sort of tackle opportunity stat, it's probably not through more "wanting" and better tackling that those guys are all bunched together in similar numbers and just more of a reflection of them being around more situations where repeat tackling happens.

Yeah, I agree.

hard to quantify that though without reviewing all the games.

I think our turning over the ball a lot would influence our tackle stat as you can assume our players running forward of the play in hope of getting in the chain and losing their opponent.

Our defenders do a great job of keeping the scores respectable considering the ball is coming back in at high velocity. We really need to improve those defensive structures for the players that aren't getting involved in the scoring chain rather than ball watching.

 

[yaco55]

I agree.

I think Murphy has been underrated due to being in a shit team.

Well the thought often expressed on this board is Gibbs is better than Murphy - Murphy is a class above Gibbs and is under-rated amongt footy supporters - Could have been better but has been injury plagued for the last 3 or 4 years.

The way Carlton set up behind the ball and the way they move the ball ( which is slow by AFL standards ) leads itself to higher tackle counts, especially by midfielders.

 

[adsla69k]

Pretty damning reading and something I'm struggling to justify.

Most of the players in the top 30 for tackles are midfielders and most I would consider ball winning midfielders.

We aren't a high clearance team so I would assume it would make sense if we are going to be second to the ball then we would at least be laying tackles.


2017 AFL League Tackles Per Game Leaders (Minimum 2 Games Played)
Rank Player Team Games Tackles for Last Game Average
1 Rory Sloane Adelaide 9.67
2 Thomas Liberatore Western Bulldogs 9.50
3 Sam Menegola Geelong 8.67
4 Brad Ebert Port Adelaide 8.17
5 Taylor Adams Collingwood 7.67
5 Jack Steele St Kilda 7.67
7 Matthew Priddis West Coast 7.50
8 Clayton Oliver Melbourne 7.33
8 Joel Selwood Geelong 7.33
8 Jake Barrett Brisbane 7.33
11 Jackson Macrae Western Bulldogs 7.00
11 Tom Rockliff Brisbane 7.00
11 Adam Treloar Collingwood 7.00
11 Dayne Zorko Brisbane 7.00
11 Brad Crouch Adelaide 7.00
16 Curtly Hampton Adelaide 6.67
16 George Hewett Sydney 6.67
16 Clay Smith Western Bulldogs 6.67
19 Andrew Swallow North Melbourne 6.60
20 Trent Cotchin Richmond 6.50
20 Tom Mitchell Hawthorn 6.50
22 Scott Pendlebury Collingwood 6.33
23 Marcus Bontempelli Western Bulldogs 6.17
23 Edward Curnow Carlton 6.17
23 Alex Neal-Bullen Melbourne 6.17
23 Jack Viney Melbourne 6.17
27 Daniel Hannebery Sydney 6.00
27 Lin Jong Western Bulldogs 6.00
27 Luke Shuey West Coast 6.00
27 Daniel Howe Hawthorn 6.00
31 Gary Jnr Ablett Gold Coast 5.83
31 Luke Parker Sydney 5.83
31 Paul Puopolo Hawthorn 5.83
34 Matthew Kennedy GWS 5.75
35 Charlie Cameron Adelaide 5.67
35 Patrick Cripps Carlton 5.67
35 Bryce Gibbs Carlton 5.67
38 Matthew Kreuzer Carlton 5.60
39 Stewart Crameri Western Bulldogs 5.50
40 Shaun Higgins North Melbourne 5.40
40 Kane Lambert Richmond 5.40
42 Joshua Kelly GWS 5.33
42 Marc Murphy Carlton 5.33
42 Jack Redden West Coast 5.33
42 Liam Shiels Hawthorn 5.33
46 Brady Grey Fremantle 5.25
47 Ben Cunnington North Melbourne 5.20
48 Oliver Wines Port Adelaide 5.17
49 Luke Dahlhaus Western Bulldogs 5.00
49 Nick Vlastuin Richmond 5.00
49 Jordan Foote Sydney 5.00
49 Callum Sinclair Sydney 5.00
49 Jack Steven St Kilda 5.00
49 Robbie Fox Sydney 5.00
49 Jonathon Griffin Fremantle 5.00
56 Patrick Dangerfield Geelong 4.83
56 Mitchell Duncan Geelong 4.83
56 Shane Mumford GWS 4.83
56 Lachie Neale Fremantle 4.83
60 Jamie Cripps West Coast 4.80
60 Jacob Hopper GWS 4.80
62 Tom Campbell Western Bulldogs 4.75
63 Nathan Fyfe Fremantle 4.67
63 Josh P. Kennedy Sydney 4.67
63 David Mundy Fremantle 4.67
63 Mitch Robinson Brisbane 4.67
63 Christopher Mayne Collingwood 4.67
68 Harry Cunningham Sydney 4.60
69 Shaun Grigg Richmond 4.50
69 Dyson Heppell Essendon 4.50
69 Luke McDonald North Melbourne 4.50
69 Zachary Merrett Essendon 4.50
69 Kade Simpson Carlton 4.50
69 Hayden Crozier Fremantle 4.50
69 James Harmes Melbourne 4.50
69 David Swallow Gold Coast 4.50
69 Ben Ainsworth Gold Coast 4.50
78 Lindsay Thomas North Melbourne 4.40
78 Dom Tyson Melbourne 4.40
80 Brendon Goddard Essendon 4.33
80 Jarryd Lyons Gold Coast 4.33
80 Sam Petrevski-Seton Carlton 4.33
80 Dion Prestia Richmond 4.33
80 Steele Sidebottom Collingwood 4.33
80 Jobe Watson Essendon 4.33
80 Jack Ziebell North Melbourne 4.33
80 Matthew Leuenberger Essendon 4.33
88 Jack Lonie St Kilda 4.25
89 Stephen Hill Fremantle 4.20
89 Toby McLean Western Bulldogs 4.20
89 Cyril Rioli Hawthorn 4.20
92 Dylan Grimes Richmond 4.17
92 Nathan Jones Melbourne 4.17
92 Dustin Martin Richmond 4.17
92 Toby Nankervis Richmond 4.17
92 Sebastian Ross St Kilda 4.17
97 Matt Crouch Adelaide 4.00
97 Jeff Garlett Melbourne 4.00
97 Andrew McGrath Essendon 4.00
97 Luke Dunstan St Kilda 4.00
97 Leigh Montagna St Kilda 4.00
97 Tim Taranto GWS 4.00
97 George Horlin-Smith Geelong 4.00
97 Harley Balic Fremantle 4.00
97 Ryan Bastinac Brisbane 4.00
97 Sam Naismith Sydney 4.00
97 Tyrone Vickery Hawthorn 4.00
97 David Armitage St Kilda 4.00
97 Shane Edwards Richmond 4.00
97 Isaac Heeney Sydney 4.00
97 Jay Kennedy-Harris Melbourne 4.00

Where is Stanton, Colyer & Zaharakis?

 

[Killer_Mike]

Where is Stanton, Colyer & Zaharakis?

Zaka averages 3.5 a game
Colyer 2.5
Stanton 2.2

 

[yaco55]

Zaka averages 3.5 a game
Colyer 2.5
Stanton 2.2

Though by nature outside mids effect less tackles, especially with teams moving the ball quickly.

 

[Killer_Mike]

Though by nature outside mids effect less tackles, especially with teams moving the ball quickly.

Yep, the high tackle players are usually the inside midfielders.

It has been a concern for a long time.