team v saints

[oldman -pop]

In Monty Bevan
Out Schmidt Moore

Schmidt is very very unlucky

 

[J-swan]

This is some kind of a joke. You have to wonder what on earth Roos is thinking

 

[Jeffers]

An absolute joke. Roos is clearly playing favourites here.

 

[oldman -pop]

Sydney
Backs: Richards Barry Malceski
Half-backs: Crouch C Bolton Mathews
Centres: Ablett Kirk Buchanan
Half-forwards: R O'Keefe O'Loughlin J Bolton
Forwards: Schneider Hall Everitt
Followers: Jolly Goodes
Rover: Fosdike
Interchange: Bevan N Davis McVeigh Jack
Emergencies: Laidlaw Schmidt Thornton
In: Bevan Buchanan
Out: Moore Schmidt

The answer is who left the coaching staff from last year and who is new,
That meaning some players may be out of favour in the game plans that maybe likely to be the young lads Phillips Schmidt, Moore for the moment

Foot note one J.Wall delisted from swans list picked up by saints so you may think Lyon may had some say in that and he is not going to bad in the VFL

 

[SWANNIES RULE]

I would of thought Bevo would have to of proved a bit more before his was brought back in. Laidlaw deserved a spot more than he did.

VERY tough on Schmidt.

Schmidt was better than McVeigh last week, so why was Schmidt dropped?

Roosy is definitely playing favourites.

 

[oldman -pop]

But if the swans win all will be forgiven

If swans lose

 

[oldman -pop]

An absolute joke. Roos is clearly playing favourites here.

More so I would say its the new selection panel this year different game plans and veiw of some players the way they see them fitting in with it

 

[Corpuscles]

It amazes me the whinging that goes on! I had a peek over at RWO and they are whining about Bevo too!

Why don't people think of the possible reasons why it might be a good & right decison ? Here is some

- A put up or shut up challenge to him... get out of 2's doldrums
- Increase his trade value at end of year
- Has played FBP in GF, so release Eski into more midfield role
- Has played on Milne before and killed him (all trick but needs study)
- Now a must win 8pt game ,not a good one for debut for Laidlaw

fwiw I think Monty is unlikely and Schmidt will prob play

 

[CAS79]

Moore I can understand, despite the lack of time he still has been seen floating around the play rather than going getting the ball.

Schmidt though wtf, he has been progressing spot on, I don’t understand this and frankly think its appalling.

 

[oldman -pop]

It amazes me the whinging that goes on! I had a peek over at RWO and they are whining about Bevo too!

Why don't people think of the possible reasons why it might be a good & right decison ? Here is some

- A put up or shut up challenge to him... get out of 2's doldrums
- Increase his trade value at end of year
- Has played FBP in GF, so release Eski into more midfield role
- Has played on Milne before and killed him (all trick but needs study)
- Now a must win 8pt game ,not a good one for debut for Laidlaw

fwiw I think Monty is unlikely and Schmidt will prob play

No Schmidt will play 2,s

 

[Corpuscles]

No Schmidt will play 2,s

You are great for info Pop

.... I hope Monty plays then!

 

[Tuco]

I think Roos is reacting to the lack of pace rebounding from defence with Tiger out. Bevan certainly has that to offer. Mal's output definitely dropped. So hopefully Bevo will help amend that situation.

Keiran probably deserved another game. Maybe his pace and input late in the game won out over Schmidt's. But Tim is pretty unlucky.

Late edit. This really is a strange pick having Bevan come in. I know he's had injuries. But I'm struggling to recall the last time he playerd in the seniors. I looked it up. He had 9 games in row last year (rnd 13-21), coming into the side when Crouch went out. I guess that's his role for us. A top 25 position player who only comes in when there are injuries in the backline?

 

[liz]

I don't have a problem with Bevan's selection per se, though I don't think he has sufficient runs on the board to mean he shouldn't have to earn a spot via consistently good form in the twos.

But I think there is a clue in the article about the team where Roos points to being impressed by his form in pre-season games. While I don't recall anything spectacular in the pre-season, it is becoming clear that this is more of a yardstick for selection than performance against the witches hats that are the ACTAFL. When Jack earned his place, Roos referred to his good performances against senior players in the pre-season rather than just to his reserves form. I suspect Laidlaw has some question marks hanging over him due to his fairly lacklustre month immediately prior to the season proper.

What I find most frustrating is that where you have two players whose recent oppostion can be compared - ie Schmidt and McVeigh - one seems to have been significantly more valuable than the other in recent weeks. It is thus the decision to retain McVeigh at the expense of Schmidt that really ticks me off.

I'm not writing McVeigh off. I still think he may become a solid player - possibly even a pretty good player. But I think Schmidt could too and it only seems fair to judge on form rather than length of tenure.

 

[Tuco]

Reading that article it sounds to me like Bevan was part of the team planning ealier this year but injuries interrupted that. And now that we have an opening with a few more players going down, it's probably the right time to throw him back in and see if these "plans" are going to work out.

I think Bevan has a couple of things going for him if you were talking a direct swap for Schmidt. He's faster, slightly taller and also can take a good mark. I've really enjoyed Schmidt's work in and under. But you'd have to say Amon's inclusion means he suddenly becomes a tad less crucial.

I'm really keen to see some more of Schmidt. I think he might have gotten the jump on Moore now going forward. And as the EMG list suggests the match committee might just be starting to think the same way.

 

[oldman -pop]

Reading that article it sounds to me like Bevan was part of the team planning ealier this year but injuries interrupted that. And now that we have an opening with a few more players going down, it's probably the right time to throw him back in and see if these "plans" are going to work out.

I think Bevan has a couple of things going for him if you were talking a direct swap for Schmidt. He's faster, slightly taller and also can take a good mark. I've really enjoyed Schmidt's work in and under. But you'd have to say Amon's inclusion means he suddenly becomes a tad less crucial.

I'm really keen to see some more of Schmidt. I think he might have gotten the jump on Moore now going forward. And as the EMG list suggests the match committee might just be starting to think the same way.

my thoughts is one young kid Phillips may not be there next season

 

[oldman -pop]

Reading RWO and just two names that come to thought that talk so much crap but have there own dum opinion legs akimbo and barry how can they bag a kid who has played againts W coast both times he did well in his first game but I guess some people have no football brains Im sick of young kids getting bagged when the swans lose get your own kids to be better then ? If I liked I could tell you more than you would like to know give the young kids a go


Maybe we could call it hide behind the key board forum

and sorry had a few cool aids tonight this morning t

 

[legs akimbo]

Reading RWO and just two names that come to thought that talk so much crap but have there own dum opinion legs akimbo and barry how can they bag a kid who has played againts W coast both times he did well in his first game but I guess some people have no football brains Im sick of young kids getting bagged when the swans lose get your own kids to be better then ? If I liked I could tell you more than you would like to know give the young kids a go


Maybe we could call it hide behind the key board forum

and sorry had a few cool aids tonight this morning t

I read this forum too fella. Bit sly to go elsewhere and pay out on people from another forum. Bit weak don't you think? Would you call that hiding behind your keyboard> My advise is to lay off the cool aids.

In any case, what the hell are you talking about. Out of interest, aside from Ben Matthews and McVeigh, who have I bagged and show me the thread.

 

[natlovestheswans]

Poor Schmidt, he didn't deserve to be dropped.

I don't know how i feel about Bevan coming in, i love him because he's a roomie but from what i've seen and read of him this year he's been absolutely rubbish. Hopefully he'll prove tomorrow night that he deserved his spot.

 

[.Shotties.]

Paul Bevan has been hard at the ball and solid in almost every game he's played. He's not spectacular, but he wins almost every 50-50 on the ground, and after that incident last year I don't think anyone can question his dedication to a contest.

 

[natlovestheswans]

Paul Bevan has been hard at the ball and solid in almost every game he's played. He's not spectacular, but he wins almost every 50-50 on the ground, and after that incident last year I don't think anyone can question his dedication to a contest.

Unfortantely not this year though. I got to see him in 2 preseason matches and he was absolutely shocking in both, then from reports he hasn't done much the last two weeks in the reserves. I'm not sure if he's ready to come back into the team just yet. You'd think he'd need a little bit more in the reserves, especially when a player like Schmidt who has been going quite well this year is getting dropped for him to come in.

 

[grimlock]

I read this forum too fella. Bit sly to go elsewhere and pay out on people from another forum. Bit weak don't you think? Would you call that hiding behind your keyboard> My advise is to lay off the cool aids.

In any case, what the hell are you talking about. Out of interest, aside from Ben Matthews and McVeigh, who have I bagged and show me the thread.

He's talking about Phillips. barry has bagged him out numerous times, saying he cost us the W.Coast game by missing his set shot. I suspect the fact he was Davis's replacement has not put young Flipper into barry's good books.

Don't know how you got dragged into it.

 

[Corpuscles]

Oh Lovely!

Opinions are like ars*****s everyone has one! They are all very valuable but sometimes they stink!

Over the years I have read forums and more recently contributed I am amazed at how posters are emotionally stirred up and annoyed by players coaches and selection choices and hold themselves out as having better insight than the Swans Selection Panel that includes no less then Paul Roos and John Longmire who are full time professional proven as highly accomplished at the task.

We all are just Terry Wallet "would be's... if we could be's"!

I wonder whether the philosophy snippets that are announced or can be observed are retained and thought about by fans?

Here are some things I have gleaned from keen observation of the innovative and leading approach P Roos has brought to head coaching.

The key foundation of his strategy have been.

• The team as a cohesive unit is greater than any player or selection
• Some players are given sacrifical roles that do not promote acclaim for the performance those tasks are considered the highest value contribution.
• Experience is valued highly and often greater than the last onfield performance(s)
• Match ups are the key selection criteria with relevance to the particular slightly variable game plan
• New blood debut elevations or inexperience is almost always are short stints, rewarded with a follow on game, regardless of performance for confidence building. Roos rarely ever drops a player after 1 game!
• New blood is rotated in and out unless player absolutely shows complete readiness and standard above the benchmark top 22. This creates competitive pressure for spots in the 22 from many ths placing incentive on the whole team to perform.
• Often after a stint young blood is given opportunity to take the experience from higher intensity back to 2's to further develop extremely dominant confidence and work mainly on key faults. This would be told to them in advance.
• Experienced players regardless of poor showing in 2's are also occasionally brought up to spark enthusiasm (no fun or motivation playing 2's) This is occasionally to increase trade value of such player (eg Saddo).. get nuthin for them if they play ACTFL for full year
• There are some games that demand the best 22 even if carrying injury. "8 pt games" are against those Swans expect to be in the final 8.
• New blood are told, you will hold your spot next week get out and enjoy it if you stuff up no problem "
• Sometimes due to unforseen injury a particular young blood is brought in for match up reasons, they would be told why and would expect that different match up next week may see them dropped.
• The modern game is have key foundation players surrounded by versatile components. The more versatile the fringe bottom 8 of the best 26 the more likely their inclusion. eg On recruiting Richards was hopeless and poorly performed worse than the poise shown by Vogels... but he has shown he can play back and forward and link.... he is regularly in... Luke has to work on developing that or stake claim for KP!
• They work preseason to assess statistically all player capabilities strengths weaknesses, identify best 22 & those they think are ready to give experience in 1's and map out a program based on the draw..but of course it changes due to unforseen events.

The ins and outs this year and this week do not surprise me at all !( exception of Grundy underdone 1st few games.. but there would have been a good reason)

Anyway carry on ..... and whine abot poor Schmidt and Moorey scream blue murder about McVeigh and Bevo (mainly for the occasionally visiting RWO's).... hell why not bag the whole team you luv if it floats your boat!... I bet it has been professionally explained to players!

Swans are Cortinas that have very good mechanics..... by the way I reckon there will be coaching jobs going at several AFL clubs at end of the year... all you whingers better start working on your resume!!!.. don't forget the bit about being better than Roos and Longmire!!!!

 

[Tuco]

Oh Lovely!

Opinions are like ars*****s everyone has one! They are all very valuable but sometimes they stink!

Over the years I have read forums and more recently contributed I am amazed at how posters are emotionally stirred up and annoyed by players coaches and selection choices and hold themselves out as having better insight than the Swans Selection Panel that includes no less then Paul Roos and John Longmire who are full time professional proven as highly accomplished at the task.

We all are just Terry Wallet "would be's... if we could be's"!

I wonder whether the philosophy snippets that are announced or can be observed are retained and thought about by fans?

Here are some things I have gleaned from keen observation of the innovative and leading approach P Roos has brought to head coaching.

The key foundation of his strategy have been.

• The team as a cohesive unit is greater than any player or selection
• Some players are given sacrifical roles that do not promote acclaim for the performance those tasks are considered the highest value contribution.
• Experience is valued highly and often greater than the last onfield performance(s)
• Match ups are the key selection criteria with relevance to the particular slightly variable game plan
• New blood debut elevations or inexperience is almost always are short stints, rewarded with a follow on game, regardless of performance for confidence building. Roos rarely ever drops a player after 1 game!
• New blood is rotated in and out unless player absolutely shows complete readiness and standard above the benchmark top 22. This creates competitive pressure for spots in the 22 from many ths placing incentive on the whole team to perform.
• Often after a stint young blood is given opportunity to take the experience from higher intensity back to 2's to further develop extremely dominant confidence and work mainly on key faults. This would be told to them in advance.
• Experienced players regardless of poor showing in 2's are also occasionally brought up to spark enthusiasm (no fun or motivation playing 2's) This is occasionally to increase trade value of such player (eg Saddo).. get nuthin for them if they play ACTFL for full year
• There are some games that demand the best 22 even if carrying injury. "8 pt games" are against those Swans expect to be in the final 8.
• New blood are told, you will hold your spot next week get out and enjoy it if you stuff up no problem "
• Sometimes due to unforseen injury a particular young blood is brought in for match up reasons, they would be told why and would expect that different match up next week may see them dropped.
• The modern game is have key foundation players surrounded by versatile components. The more versatile the fringe bottom 8 of the best 26 the more likely their inclusion. eg On recruiting Richards was hopeless and poorly performed worse than the poise shown by Vogels... but he has shown he can play back and forward and link.... he is regularly in... Luke has to work on developing that or stake claim for KP!
• They work preseason to assess statistically all player capabilities strengths weaknesses, identify best 22 & those they think are ready to give experience in 1's and map out a program based on the draw..but of course it changes due to unforseen events.

The ins and outs this year and this week do not surprise me at all !( exception of Grundy underdone 1st few games.. but there would have been a good reason)

Anyway carry on ..... and whine abot poor Schmidt and Moorey scream blue murder about McVeigh and Bevo (mainly for the occasionally visiting RWO's).... hell why not bag the whole team you luv if it floats your boat!... I bet it has been professionally explained to players!

Swans are Cortinas that have very good mechanics..... by the way I reckon there will be coaching jobs going at several AFL clubs at end of the year... all you whingers better start working on your resume!!!.. don't forget the bit about being better than Roos and Longmire!!!!

lol. Good read. Feeling better now?

 

[Embers]

Schmidt was dropped why. He looks a gun from what ive seen.

 

[natlovestheswans]

• Experienced players regardless of poor showing in 2's are also occasionally brought up to spark enthusiasm (no fun or motivation playing 2's) This is occasionally to increase trade value of such player (eg Saddo).. get nuthin for them if they play ACTFL for full year

Paul Bevan is going 'spark enthusiasm'? Lol, let's hppe so. I want to believe in Bevo, but it's a little hard when he's shown absolutely nothing in every game he's played this year. I mean in one of the games i watched him in, everytime he went near the ball he screwed it..

But yeah, go Inspo!