Tenace getting another go?

[catempire]

Running half back can be filled by Wojcinski who is proven in the position. Or Hogan or Djerrkura should be given a chance before they want to leave because they can't get a game. Not a guy who has been given chances every year for the past 5 years and not delivered.

Wojcinski wasn't fit to play. If he is this week he may well replace Tenace. Or because it's a practice match, they might use the opportunity to try rotating them or using them both. It matters not.

Hogan will play. He doesn't need to be played out of position.

Djerrkura needs to earn it. He will be dropped.

 

[ripitup27]

Wojcinski wasn't fit to play. If he is this week he may well replace Tenace. Or because it's a practice match, they might use the opportunity to try rotating them or using them both. It matters not.

Hogan will play. He doesn't need to be played out of position.

Djerrkura needs to earn it. He will be dropped.

But we're talking about the season here, not the NAB Cup. Thompson wants Tenace in our best 22.

 

[catempire]

But we're talking about the season here, not the NAB Cup. Thompson wants Tenace in our best 22.

Are we?

The article states:

Tenace knows his performances in the Cats' pre-season campaign over the next month will determine how much senior action he will see in 2009.

And Thompson says we're trying to get him in the 22. Sounds to me like he's hoping Tenace will play good enough footy to justify it.

 

[darren forssman]

Probably won't be hearing me much because I don't think I've ever seen one of Enright, Mackie, Scarlett or Milburn turn

mackie was terrible on saturday, didnt hit targets, no awareness and didnt put his body on the line in a few contests.

i have always liked tenace but he seemed to turn it over at crucial times on saturday.

 

[ripitup27]

Are we?

The article states:



And Thompson says we're trying to get him in the 22. Sounds to me like he's hoping Tenace will play good enough footy to justify it.

"He's one of the guys that hasn't been able to get a game in our best 22 over the last couple of years," Thompson said about Tenace.

"He has got ability and we're going to try to give him opportunities and find ways to get him a game. He's got a big part to play by playing the sort of footy he played (Saturday)."

Sounds to me like Thompson wants to find ways to get him a game during the season. Why find ways to get him a game when there is other untried talent being wasted?

 

[catempire]

Sounds to me like Thompson wants to find ways to get him a game during the season. Why find ways to get him a game when there is other untried talent being wasted?

He's not saying he's going to give him undeserved games. My interpretation of those remarks is they will play him in the NAB cup, they will play him when they can in the AFL (e.g. if Wojcinski is injured) and if he plays well, he'll get more games. I can't see any problem with that.

 

[TheHonestyPolicy]

"He's one of the guys that hasn't been able to get a game in our best 22 over the last couple of years," Thompson said about Tenace.

"He has got ability and we're going to try to give him opportunities and find ways to get him a game. He's got a big part to play by playing the sort of footy he played (Saturday)."

Sounds to me like Thompson wants to find ways to get him a game during the season. Why find ways to get him a game when there is other untried talent being wasted?

Get him a game by earning it. No different to any other player.

As impressive as some of the VFL players looked I doubt even Hogan will get picked given the opposition round 1. I wont mind if he does get selected but he isnt going to play as a running half back regardless and neither is Djerrkura. Laidler is a rookie and Donahue was injured. Wojcinski isnt 100% so Geelong are sensibly covering their options. Taylor Hunt wont be considered.

All the untried talent on the list will get their chances.

 

[ripitup27]

He's not saying he's going to give him undeserved games. My interpretation of those remarks is they will play him in the NAB cup, they will play him when they can in the AFL (e.g. if Wojcinski is injured) and if he plays well, he'll get more games. I can't see any problem with that.

I'm more concerned that it's Thompson saying it. As I said he has a history of playing guys he wants to play despite form. I just think there are more guys that deserve a go ahead of him if that is the case.

 

[catempire]

I'm more concerned that it's Thompson saying it. As I said he has a history of playing guys he wants to play despite form. I just think there are more guys that deserve a go ahead of him if that is the case.

I think "deserve" can only be based on form. If Tenace plays better than the other available options then he should get a game ahead of them.

The only example I can think of where a player has been played when his form hasn't warranted it was late last year when Byrnes was selected despite other VFL players playing better than him. I can't say I agree that he has "a history" of it.

 

[ripitup27]

I think "deserve" can only be based on form. If Tenace plays better than the other available options then he should get a game ahead of them.

The only example I can think of where a player has been played when his form hasn't warranted it was late last year when Byrnes was selected despite other VFL players playing better than him. I can't say I agree that he has "a history" of it.

Charlie Gardiner rings a bell. Most of Tenace's other outings as well. There's quite few examples really. When Thompson wants something he really sticks to it for a what seems like too long.

Like the experiment with Macke up forward. And the experiment with Ling as a possession winning midfielder. And Ottens being used forward more than in the ruck. I think he stuck with these plans too long and I think he's sticking with Tenace too long.

Each to their own I guess.

 

[hamG]

Like the experiment with Macke up forward. And the experiment with Ling as a possession winning midfielder. And Ottens being used forward more than in the ruck.

I am pretty sure both Mackie and Ottens were recruited primarily as forwards so I wouldn't call that experimenting. Definitely a good idea to return Ling to tagging tho!

 

[catempire]

Gardiner consistently performed well at VFL level and with dearth of forwardline options, we were left with no choice but to roll the dice with him. Until something better came along and at that point he was cut loose.

The other examples are pretty tenuous if you are trying to illustrate "a history" of players being picked when they didn't deserve it.

 

[turbo0010]

Exactly! I think he was impressive on Saturday night. He actually looked quite composed. If he is good enough, play him.

couldn't agree more. I thought, he only turned it over in that game because, like throughout the game, geelong overused the ball and he like others, were given the ball, either while under pressure or the disposal too him wasn't up to scratch either. I remember a kick out that went to him, but hit the ground before it got to him, can hardly blame him for that.

I'm sure many of you will try.

I thought his disposal was better, when he had a bit more space, when in previous years it was horrible

From my memories rooke to the max and mackie were the worst at turning the ball over when they first got into the seniors, i couldn't understand why they were in the team. But with a bit of confidence they got better and became better players.

Give him a chance, if he sucks, then he wont get any more games anyway.

 

[ripitup27]

I am pretty sure both Mackie and Ottens were recruited primarily as forwards so I wouldn't call that experimenting. Definitely a good idea to return Ling to tagging tho!

That was the experiment though. Ottens had been name All-Australian because of his ruck work while Mackie had been a half back/wing in Sth Australia. They were both experiments that didn't really work out.

 

[ripitup27]

couldn't agree more. I thought, he only turned it over in that game because, like throughout the game, geelong overused the ball and he like others, were given the ball, either while under pressure or the disposal too him wasn't up to scratch either. I remember a kick out that went to him, but hit the ground before it got to him, can hardly blame him for that.

I'm sure many of you will try.

I thought his disposal was better, when he had a bit more space, when in previous years it was horrible

From my memories rooke to the max and mackie were the worst at turning the ball over when they first got into the seniors, i couldn't understand why they were in the team. But with a bit of confidence they got better and became better players.

Give him a chance, if he sucks, then he wont get any more games anyway.

But that's the thing. He's played round one every year since 2005. He's had his chances, he hasn't taken them.

 

[ripitup27]

Gardiner consistently performed well at VFL level and with dearth of forwardline options, we were left with no choice but to roll the dice with him. Until something better came along and at that point he was cut loose.

The other examples are pretty tenuous if you are trying to illustrate "a history" of players being picked when they didn't deserve it.

It's more that every pre-season Thompson names a player he wants in the 22 and doesn't back off until it's so blatantly obvious they don't deserve to be there it's frustrating as a fan.

I just feel like he'll do that with Tenace. I think Mark Thompson would be a very stubborn man.

 

[sarah.13]

"He's one of the guys that hasn't been able to get a game in our best 22 over the last couple of years," Thompson said about Tenace.
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Sounds to me like Thompson wants to find ways to get him a game during the season. Why find ways to get him a game when there is other untried talent being wasted?

Actually to me it sounds like Woja"s injury is a lot worse than we think and they will need someone to play his role for a fair part of the season!!

 

[Jimmy 2 Shoes]

I think that the biggest problem with Tenace is that he's completely shithouse

 

[ashs35]

Bomber said: "He's got a big part to play by playing the sort of footy he played (Saturday)."

He looked good against the Crows & he's an experienced player &
If Bomber recons he's good enough to play, then that's good enough for me, He would know...

 

[Ninty]

Oh, well if Thompson knows.

 

[catfan1]

Should be at another AFL club for more of an opportunity.Even though the club is in a strong position with its playing personnel I believe it is important to develop young players and play them when ready and hungry.That blend will improve us and keep getting better rather than trying old wood that have been around for 5 years.

 

[RustNeverSleeps]

Unfortunately its awareness and kicking skills that continue to let Tenace down. He may have pace but doesn't have adequate awareness to use it. Thats where Byrnes has the advantage.

Both at best are ordinary footballers.

Tenace shanks every second kick and has no creativity that can hurt the opposition. Just pokes it around to no real advantage.

Byrnes shanks most kicks and often gets blind-sided due to his poor awareness. I still can't get over the time he tackled Stokes thinking he would get a holding the ball decision!

Hogan and Djekurra will be higher in the pecking order this year.

 

[scottydeewah]

Some things I would like to clear up.

• You dont play a young player in a year when we are aiming for a premiership, just to give them experience. If they are not ready, then they are not ready. We play the best 22 we have, in the positions they are best in, suited for the opposition we are playing, at the venue we are playing. No other reasons!
• You dont play players out of position just because they are better than another player. It is like drafting cousins and playing him at CHB because there is no room in the midfield and he is a better player than Taylor. Stupid. I especially find it amusing that ripitup27 has brought up the arguement that Bomber has experimented with players out of position when it is obvious to anyone with half a brain that Tenace is being groomed to for the Wojac role. That position isnt suited to Hogan or DJ (DJ is far behind Tenace at the moment anyway).

It is funny how the coaching staff, supporters of other clubs and media commentators all thought he had an okay game. That stats also suggested he was okay too. But true to BF fashion there are a few people who just need a player or two too bag.

The best thing about BF though is the desire to cut a player down without suggesting a viable alternative. This is what happened with Kent, Charlie and a number of other players. Yes they were not up to AFL standard, but the simple fact is we didnt have players who were better than them. Some others want us to just play the youngsters regardless of whether or not they are ready for senior football.

Behind Wojac for the running HB player there is not all that much competition for spots. Wojac --> Tenace --> DJ (could be groomed for it). We should play them in that order until DJ shows he is a better player than Tenace (not someone with more potential, but better NOW).

I for one want to see Tenace play the rest of the NAB cup and to see how he is. Also remember that a lot of players take time to develop (shit Wojac took years - had horrble disposal and used his pace poorly, Enright took a few, etc etc.).

The last point is you can bag a player if he had a shit game, be my guest. And your opinion on something that is FACT doesnt interest me at all. Tenace has a good game on the weekend, that isnt my opinion it is a fact supported by the comments of the coaching staff, stats and unbiased reporters.

 

[Tommy the Cat]

I noticed on the weekend that his disposal is not getting any better

no point is having a rebound type player who gives to ball up to the opposition with poor disposal

 

[thejester]

• You dont play players out of position just because they are better than another player. It is like drafting cousins and playing him at CHB because there is no room in the midfield and he is a better player than Taylor. Stupid. I especially find it amusing that ripitup27 has brought up the arguement that Bomber has experimented with players out of position when it is obvious to anyone with half a brain that Tenace is being groomed to for the Wojac role. That position isnt suited to Hogan or DJ (DJ is far behind Tenace at the moment anyway).

I'm not sure where this meme comes from that Tenace is the next Woja - when's the last time he put on the afterburners coming out of defence? At the moment he is playing like a (very) poor man's Enright. Hogan's considerably lighter than Tenace but is the same height and, like Tenace, is a sensational athelete.