Competitions The 2012 AFC Drafting Game: The Premiership Table at the end of the Minor Round

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

My rankings in order...

74 - Kristof
=74 - Lawrst
73 - roo2macca
=73 - Freddy Bassett
72 - crowsarethebest
69 - Hendo888
68 - Bacon8
67 - BACCS

=67 - FAITH
66 - Buzzasto
61 - Footypie32
=61 - Stripple
58 - Mad Fan of AFL
=58 - Hdecure
55 - Blackbird RGB
=55 - ringo200
=55 - Adelaide Fan 14

Will discuss/explain further tonight when I have some more time.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

His midf wasnt too bad. Just wondering if it was a consideration that most of his Fwrds/Hfws/Hbs could easily slip into the midf at any time and perform very well?

I tried to avoid double counting.

Eg if someone had a ruckman who could go forward who was a gun I didn't give max in each area of the ground because of that - given that they can only do one thing at a time.

Yes it is handy of course to have a player like that but you have to balance the point allocation with whichever player they would be swapping with.

Gun + Spud = ... Gud?

 

[Footypie32]

I tried to avoid double counting.

Eg if someone had a ruckman who could go forward who was a gun I didn't give max in each area of the ground because of that - given that they can only do one thing at a time.

Yes it is handy of course to have a player like that but you have to balance the point allocation with whichever player they would be swapping with.

Gun + Spud = ... Gud?

I agree with both you and Faith about my teams flexibility. Yes, I have a deep midfield rotation, but lack an 'Elite' player. Also understand if you take Johnson, Rioli and Porplyzia out of my forwardline, Wellingham and Dangerfield are really the only players that really play forward with an consistency. Jones, Cassisi and Wojcinski dont and neither of my rucks spend much time there.

 

[blackbird_RGB]

Another 2nd placing!! Kristof, this a conspiracy!! RECOUNT!!

Blackbird didn't have you second... That's the order of the picks, not the positioning.

Correct Bacon. My top 3 vvv
-carl
-freddy
-kristof

Separated by about half a point. Sorry footy pie.


As for my stiff up, in my defence I did judge lawrst, I just forgot to put it on the document I cut and pasted...pretty sure he had 73

 

[Stripple]

Will post up my scores tomorrow when I have more time, very interesting. A little disappointed with where I fell but that's the interesting thing about this game the differing opinions and styles. Would love some feedback on what my team needed to improve and will happily provide some in return, write ups on each team to come.

And thanks FB I think Folau is one reason I probably didn't score too strongly hurts the structure and experience scores as well. Happy to vote in a finals comp for the top 8.

Also hope we do look back on this during the season as will be some interesting movements in teams rankings just due to injuries and the like.

 

[Lawrst]

My rankings in order...

74 - Kristof
=74 - Lawrst
73 - roo2macca
=73 - Freddy Bassett
72 - crowsarethebest
69 - Hendo888
68 - Bacon8
67 - BACCS

=67 - FAITH
66 - Buzzasto
61 - Footypie32
=61 - Stripple
58 - Mad Fan of AFL
=58 - Hdecure
55 - Blackbird RGB
=55 - ringo200
=55 - Adelaide Fan 14

Will discuss/explain further tonight when I have some more time.

See this guy knows his stuff

 

[Hank93]

Will post up my scores tomorrow when I have more time, very interesting. A little disappointed with where I fell but that's the interesting thing about this game the differing opinions and styles. Would love some feedback on what my team needed to improve and will happily provide some in return, write ups on each team to come.

And thanks FB I think Folau is one reason I probably didn't score too strongly hurts the structure and experience scores as well. Happy to vote in a finals comp for the top 8.

Also hope we do look back on this during the season as will be some interesting movements in teams rankings just due to injuries and the like.

Exactly the same for me Stripple. I think my Backline was solid (Duigan, Davis, Suckling, Jamison, Mzungu) and my midfield was really good, but my forward line really wasn't up to scratch. Having Day as my key forward prov got me an average score of 3/10 for tall forwards

Possibly picking a gun KP forward instead of Dal Santo would have been a better move I think, and picking Leuenberger as my 3rd selection was too high given the low amount of points awarded for the ruck division.

 

[BACCS]

Thought I might have fared a little better due to my strong midfield and defense, but I guess my forward-line killed me. I should have done alright in the experience and ruck stakes, but I lacked X factor.

I'm very surprised at high others rate Faith, he only got 61 from me and was 2nd last. He only got a 3 from me in tall forwards, and a 2 in small defenders, with a zero in x factor. He did alright in other areas, but was still only around average, can I ask why others thought his team was better?

Everyone else was pretty similar to the final rankings though, so hard to complain about finishing Ninthmond.

Anyway, here are the final rankings I gave:

Kristof - 79
CATB - 78
roo - 76
Carl - 73
ringo - 72 (seems I have him a lot higher than others)
Lawrst - 71
Freddy - 70
hdecure - 70
Stripple, hendo, Bacon - 68
Footypie - 63
A14, Buzz - 62
Blackbird, Faith - 61
MFOA - 57

 

[Hank93]

Thought I might have fared a little better due to my strong midfield and defense, but I guess my forward-line killed me. I should have done alright in the experience and ruck stakes, but I lacked X factor.

I'm very surprised at high others rate Faith, he only got 61 from me and was 2nd last. He only got a 3 from me in tall forwards, and a 2 in small defenders, with a zero in x factor. He did alright in other areas, but was still only around average, can I ask why others thought his team was better?

Everyone else was pretty similar to the final rankings though, so hard to complain about finishing Ninthmond.

Anyway, here are the final rankings I gave:

Kristof - 79
CATB - 78
roo - 76
Carl - 73
ringo - 72 (seems I have him a lot higher than others)
Lawrst - 71
Freddy - 70
hdecure - 70
Stripple, hendo, Bacon - 68
Footypie - 63
A14, Buzz - 62
Blackbird, Faith - 61
MFOA - 57

Thanks for the kinda ranking.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Thought I might have fared a little better due to my strong midfield and defense, but I guess my forward-line killed me. I should have done alright in the experience and ruck stakes, but I lacked X factor.

I'm very surprised at high others rate Faith, he only got 61 from me and was 2nd last. He only got a 3 from me in tall forwards, and a 2 in small defenders, with a zero in x factor. He did alright in other areas, but was still only around average, can I ask why others thought his team was better?Everyone else was pretty similar to the final rankings though, so hard to complain about finishing Ninthmond.

Anyway, here are the final rankings I gave:

Kristof - 79
CATB - 78
roo - 76
Carl - 73
ringo - 72 (seems I have him a lot higher than others)
Lawrst - 71
Freddy - 70
hdecure - 70
Stripple, hendo, Bacon - 68
Footypie - 63
A14, Buzz - 62
Blackbird, Faith - 61
MFOA - 57

The best ruckman, one of the best midfields and a strong defence.. Plus Hawkins whom I think at then end of this year is going to be looked upon as being a very good player... I think the point scoring for rucks was ridiculously low which probably cost Faith. Why use your first pick on a ruck if it was only worth 5 points?

 

[hendo8888]

Kind of surprised at the lack of love for my team. BACCS says my team is one of the best, then I come 9th?
I clearly lost points for my tall forwards. Some may not see Goodes as a key forward and not rate Edwards.
All my other areas I think are strong. Midfield is very strong I think. Some may be worried about Hayes coming back from injury I assume. Goddard, Hayes, Kelly, Power, with the other guys I had floating around is a quality mix.
My backline is very good I think. Smalls should be pretty close to 10 I would have thought.
Some people may have not seen enough of Grima and Garland, but those 2 with Maxwell and Patfull should have scored pretty well.
My small/midsized forwards should have scored well too. Didak, Davey, Knights and Higgins is a very dangerous mix.
Experience, well I struggle to see how I don't get at least 4.
X Factor, Davey, Didak and Knights, but that isn't my strong area.
Ruck, I'm assuming people don't rate Jamar because of his DT average?
Structure, well only my lack of a dominant key forward. Most other things are covered I thought.

 

[Allefgib]

ill share any scoring tomorrow when I gave my spreadsheet back.

surprised at comments of faiths key forwards getting a 3...

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Kind of surprised at the lack of love for my team. BACCS says my team is one of the best, then I come 9th?
I clearly lost points for my tall forwards. Some may not see Goodes as a key forward and not rate Edwards.
All my other areas I think are strong. Midfield is very strong I think. Some may be worried about Hayes coming back from injury I assume. Goddard, Hayes, Kelly, Power, with the other guys I had floating around is a quality mix.
My backline is very good I think. Smalls should be pretty close to 10 I would have thought.
Some people may have not seen enough of Grima and Garland, but those 2 with Maxwell and Patfull should have scored pretty well.
My small/midsized forwards should have scored well too. Didak, Davey, Knights and Higgins is a very dangerous mix.
Experience, well I struggle to see how I don't get at least 4.
X Factor, Davey, Didak and Knights, but that isn't my strong area.
Ruck, I'm assuming people don't rate Jamar because of his DT average?
Structure, well only my lack of a dominant key forward. Most other things are covered I thought.

I am also surprised Hendo... I thought your team and CATB's were clearly the best, infact 5 points higher than third and fourth ( Faith and Kristof)....

 

[BACCS]

The best ruckman, one of the best midfields and a strong defence.. Plus Hawkins whom I think at then end of this year is going to be looked upon as being a very good player... I think the point scoring for rucks was ridiculously low which probably cost Faith. Why use your first pick on a ruck if it was only worth 5 points?

Having the best ruckman got him 5 points. His midfield was not above average, and his defense was nothing special. Hawkins finally played a good game, oh wowwee. I thought he was going to be the player to beat going into the game, but he really disappointed me, I really am struggling to understand how he ranked so high.

 

[Buzzasto DaSilva]

Kind of surprised at the lack of love for my team. BACCS says my team is one of the best, then I come 9th?
I clearly lost points for my tall forwards. Some may not see Goodes as a key forward and not rate Edwards.
All my other areas I think are strong. Midfield is very strong I think. Some may be worried about Hayes coming back from injury I assume. Goddard, Hayes, Kelly, Power, with the other guys I had floating around is a quality mix.
My backline is very good I think. Smalls should be pretty close to 10 I would have thought.
Some people may have not seen enough of Grima and Garland, but those 2 with Maxwell and Patfull should have scored pretty well.
My small/midsized forwards should have scored well too. Didak, Davey, Knights and Higgins is a very dangerous mix.
Experience, well I struggle to see how I don't get at least 4.
X Factor, Davey, Didak and Knights, but that isn't my strong area.
Ruck, I'm assuming people don't rate Jamar because of his DT average?
Structure, well only my lack of a dominant key forward. Most other things are covered I thought.

I didn't rate your tall backs particularly highly. I have seen plenty of all four, but they all are extremely similar. Maxwell and Patfull are both 3rd tall's, Garland has taken the best forwards but he is ideally suited to being a 3rd defender (spare man) as well. I quite like Grima and while he always does a good job, he rarely takes the best forward at North, Scott Thompson is much more highly regarded.

Your small/mid-sized forwards also aren't helped by the fact that all four had pretty poor 2011 seasons by their standards. They all were on the fringes at times and never really got going. Higgins in particular was a major disappointment for Bulldogs fans while Didak was extremely lucky to hold his place in the finals.

I like your team alot and love the combination of Goodes, Goddard, Kelly and Enright, but it is difficult to rate as a number of your key players (Hayes, Didak, Power and Knights) look to be past their best. Would have been a fantastic team for 2009/10 but as I said, extremely difficult to rate for 2012.

 

[BACCS]

ill share any scoring tomorrow when I gave my spreadsheet back.

surprised at comments of faiths key forwards getting a 3...

Hawkins is yet to prove any consistency and has played only one outstanding game (and was pretty good in the other 2 finals, but not outstanding like the GF). And his only other tall forward was fricking Justin Westhoff for christ sakes! A better player than perceived on here, but still nothing above average. He then has a semi retired guy playing for GWS on a pension as backup! How on earth that rates anything above a 5 is beyond me. Besides Bock and Merrett, his defense is AFL average but nothing that screams out class. Chapman, Bolton and Barlow are all fantastic mids, but Chappy is more of a forward and always has been, and they are all too inside for my liking.

Sorry for ripping into you Faith, but if someone could give me an in depth analysis of why they think you were a better team than I rate you, it'd be appreciated!

 

[FAITH]

Thought I might have fared a little better due to my strong midfield and defense, but I guess my forward-line killed me. I should have done alright in the experience and ruck stakes, but I lacked X factor.

I'm very surprised at high others rate Faith, he only got 61 from me and was 2nd last. He only got a 3 from me in tall forwards, and a 2 in small defenders, with a zero in x factor. He did alright in other areas, but was still only around average, can I ask why others thought his team was better?

Everyone else was pretty similar to the final rankings though, so hard to complain about finishing Ninthmond.

Anyway, here are the final rankings I gave:

Kristof - 79
CATB - 78
roo - 76
Carl - 73
ringo - 72 (seems I have him a lot higher than others)
Lawrst - 71
Freddy - 70
hdecure - 70
Stripple, hendo, Bacon - 68
Footypie - 63
A14, Buzz - 62
Blackbird, Faith - 61
MFOA - 57

So your the one who pulled my average down BACCS, No love for me?
I have to admit i was hoping to finish in the top 6 i think i just made it so i was pretty happy.
I had you i think ranked 13th which isnt too bad, but im pretty sure my team would have comfortably beaten your team if they ever played against eachother

 

[FAITH]

The best ruckman, one of the best midfields and a strong defence.. Plus Hawkins whom I think at then end of this year is going to be looked upon as being a very good player... I think the point scoring for rucks was ridiculously low which probably cost Faith. Why use your first pick on a ruck if it was only worth 5 points?

who on this board wouldnt trade pretty much any of the crows players for a ruck like sandilands or cox?
An awesome ruckman is so important to a team worth so much also than 5/100 of a teams total score.

 

[FAITH]

ill share any scoring tomorrow when I gave my spreadsheet back.

surprised at comments of faiths key forwards getting a 3...

HF: Daniel Giansiracusa Justin Westhoff Andrew Embley
F: Leigh Adams Tom Hawkins Shannon Byrnes

I can understand the lack of love for Westhoff, but embley/gian/hawkins are pretty good. Adams and Byrnes can contribute to, 3/10 is a bit harsh

 

[FAITH]

Hawkins is yet to prove any consistency and has played only one outstanding game (and was pretty good in the other 2 finals, but not outstanding like the GF). And his only other tall forward was fricking Justin Westhoff for christ sakes! A better player than perceived on here, but still nothing above average. He then has a semi retired guy playing for GWS on a pension as backup! How on earth that rates anything above a 5 is beyond me. Besides Bock and Merrett, his defense is AFL average but nothing that screams out class. Chapman, Bolton and Barlow are all fantastic mids, but Chappy is more of a forward and always has been, and they are all too inside for my liking.

Sorry for ripping into you Faith, but if someone could give me an in depth analysis of why they think you were a better team than I rate you, it'd be appreciated!

Im loving it BACCS, keep it up

Kristof any chance of a showdown between Baccs team and mine?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I'll attempt to give a bit of backgrounds with my scores for everyone. This is fraught with danger as I'm sure people who were 'dudded' will compare their section of the field in question with other teams and cry foul.

In my defence... next time I will judge all teams in one sitting. I started giving out scores when there were only 10 or so teams posted and then added the others as they came in. Was hard to maintain consistency but I tried to. Also I couldn't be bothered going back and doing all of them again.

hdecure - in my bottom 8. Scored well for inside mids (Mitchell, Moloney, Dal Santo - both inside and out, van Berlo), small forwards (Gray, Rohan, J McVeigh, Douglas) and tall defenders (Davis, Jamieson, Suckling). Scored poorly for tall forwards (A Walker, Day) and just average for outside mids.

Buzzasto - Just missed my top 8. Scored best for outside mids, small forwards (LeCras, Ballantyne, Petterd) and tall defenders (Lonergan, Lake, Gilham). Low marks for tall forwards (Walsh, Watts) and ruck (Stephenson, Griffin).

hendo888 - Good team. 6th on my rankings. Scored BIG in a few areas with 9/10's for midfield talent, outside mids, small forwards and small defenders. Bookends was what cost you an even higher placing but I really liked your team.

Freddy Bassett - Equal 3rd. Loved your team. Best structure points I gave (13/15) apart from Kristof who I also gave 13. Scored well everywhere. Wrong Selwood brother cost a couple of inside mid points. Also I only gave you 6's for both tall defenders and small defenders. Clever ruck choices too (West and Kreuzer) - scored highly.

Faith - I'm sorry but I just found the bold type too off-putting . Liked your inside mids, tall defenders and obviously ruck. Not sold on your forward line (talls or smalls) - only 5's from me. Equal 8th.

ringo200 - sorry dude... had you equal bottom with 2 others on 55 points. Five guys I'd regard as predominantly marking players in your front six. Some good names in your midfield (Bartel, Griffen) but doesn't run quite deep enough for talent and even just blokes who can go through the midfield. Scored highest for small defenders.

footypie32 - the most divisive team on here? I had you 11th but you scored high in a few categories (small forwards and x factor - perfect 10's). Bombed on midfield points though I take the point about Rioli, Johnson... being able to run through the middle. Perhaps I could have trimmed a few points from 'small forwards' and invested it in 'midfield' which would have been more valuable for you. But maybe you should have named the team differently . Only really rate Hurley and Burgoyne out of your back six too.

Kristof - You ran the competition so I figured I should be nice to you, hence the No. 1 ranking. Very even team. Nothing below a 7/10 from me. Only 2/5 for x factor - the only area you didn't score well in. Similar to my team, you seemed to pick players who churn out consistently good performances rather than the 'when the planets align' types who can turn it on occassionally. Some good 'cheap' picks too - Shiels, R Shaw, Redden, Ball. Very clever.

roo2macca - One point off the leaders. Gun team. Forward line and ruck cost you a win. Coniglio and Johnston may go on to have good years and Jurrah could kick 60 goals... but too many question marks for me at this stage. Gun midfield and excellent small/tall defenders.

Crows are the best - another ripper team. Only two points off the leaders. Outside mids (too many hard nuts if that's possible!) and x factor (1 point for Eddie) cost you a win. Inside mids to die for, plenty of goals in the forward line and a solid defence.

Blackbird RGB - Equal last sorry. 5's and 6's in most categories except full marks for ruck. Lots of young players though. One team that you may look at in a different light post the 2012 season.

Geez... this is taking forever. Rest tomorrow.

 

[FAITH]

Love the differing opinions about the teams.
Just wanted to give my top 7:
1. Footypie32 - The Anti-Crows – (clearly the most complete team in my opinion, cant believe he didnt rank higher).

2. Roo2macca - The Maccaroos - The early favourite, a good forward line would have gotten you over the line
3. Freddy Bassett - Club 119-138-165 – Didnt like your defence everything else was good
4. Buzzasto - The Lismore Lions – Very underated team, think at the end of the season many of your players will be close to guns.

5. Crows are the best - Kenworth Trucks - liked your team just worried bout some of the older guys and the pods injury issue
6. Lawrst - The Memes - another really underated team i feel, similar to buzz i think many of your players come end of season will move into GUN territory, loved your structure.
7. Carl Spackler - The Gophers - Loved your midf and forwards but not your defence. Still a good team

(not much between 5 and 12)

 

[BACCS]

HF: Daniel Giansiracusa Justin Westhoff Andrew Embley
F: Leigh Adams Tom Hawkins Shannon Byrnes

I can understand the lack of love for Westhoff, but embley/gian/hawkins are pretty good. Adams and Byrnes can contribute to, 3/10 is a bit harsh

Haha, harsh, you are kidding right? If I was building a side around Westhoff and Hawkins I'd kill myself. Byrnes isn't even assured a best 22 spot, as was pointed out repeatedly when you picked him up. Gia is a solid player who has underachieved throughout his career and is getting near the end; Embley had a great year but it's hard to predict if he can keep that up at his age. Adams is about the only player with upside in that forwardline.

If I was being generous, I may have given you a 4 or 5.

Cmon, how did you rate my team?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Stuff it. Will finish it off.

Mad Fan of AFL - 13th from me. Scored poorly for the midfield categories. High points for tall and small forwards, plus 4/5 for ruck. Full marks for x factor too (Franklin, Garlett, Varcoe, Hill... drool). Just average defence - 5's and 6's. Your problem was that the midfield was worth 30 points and you loaded up elsewhere.

Stripple - Equal 11th. Inside mids, small forwards and tall defenders you scored poorly in. Rutten is obviously quality but Rivers is injury prone and then...? Outside mids were very good (9/10) - I regarded Swan as an outside mid which may be a little unfair. Still... swings and roundabouts. What you would have gained in inside mids you would have lost in outsiders. Possibly a tad harsh with your scores having a look again at the team. Not enough to get you in the 'money round' but might have dudded you a couple.

BACCS - Equal 8th. Solid team. Inside mids exceptional and a very even defence that scored high. Tall forwards your worst scoring category (really only rate Waite) and only 1/5 for x factor.

Adelaide Fan 14 - Equal bottom with two others sorry. Low scores across the board, especially tall forwards. Midfield will end up ok (Atley, Bastinac, Liberatore) but I wasn't all that generous with potential I must admit. Maximum points for rucks though.

Bacon8 - 7th position from me. Very even team. Lots of 7's and 8's out og 10. Lost points in the back half - not quite as strong as the rest of your team.

Lawrst - surprised this team wasn't rated higher. Equal top from me. Beautifully balanced team. Scored high from me in every category, except small defenders (6/10). Goalkicking forwards, nice balance of inside/outside mids, quality ruckman, two quality tall defenders... thought this team was damn good. Looking at the team now though; the bench stinks - maybe others took a few points off for depth? I didn't.

 

[Hank93]

I find it hard to believe Carl that you had me bottom four despite you saying that I rated highly for Inside Mids, Small fwds, and Tall defenders. You had me equal with MFOA, which I thought was quite a poor team (no offence MFOA)

You don't rate Andrew Walker at all?