Mega Thread The 2015 Buckley coaching megathread

[No SPIN]

Shaw didn't want off the bus he was kicked off the bus. Thomas following daddy has to also involve Thomas leaving step daddy. It's far too easy a cop out given the numbers to absolve Buckley of the environment he wanted/created. As for keeping players that want out, generally I agree. What is far more relevant and of utmost importance in ever achieving anything is for players to want to be in, not wanting to be out. It isn't even enough just to not want to be out. They have to really want to be part of the club and team. Ambivalence is certain failure. As for Beams, his manager has said there were numerous issues and one was Shaw going and another Leading Teams. Both of those are Buckley issues. I honestly can't see how this is even debatable. It was flagged even before it transpired into player exits. Of course anyone who flagged it in the media was immediately ridiculed and lambasted by the faithful but what has transpired is what was predicted and it has all unfolded like a replay slow motion car crash.

Shaw said he would stay on the bus with NO guarantees to change his behavior - so the driver did the right thing by all the other passengers and threw him off the bus
Daisy's step DAD was not prepared to pay him as much as his DADDY
Beams - given the choice between Beams staying and then leaving as a free agent for lower compensation, Bucks was happy to get better value trading him in 2014.
Leading Teams have been used successfully by GEEL.SWAN and HAWKS, the most successful clubs of the recent era - so Bucks was 100% correct to seek the same success.

I hope that helps you put life in perspective.

 

[PieNSauce]

Blame someone thats not there anymore, easier that way

Ummm... So, if someone pulls out of a deal and thereby brings it undone who would you blame for bringing it undone?

 

[MarkT2]

So by your argument Clarkson should have been sacked for losing Buddy and if Dangerfield leaves Walsh should be sacked.

I love how Buckley is to blame for Shaw, where is Shaw's accountability in all of this?

No, Clarkson should not have been sacked for losing Buddy to the largest contract ever offered to an Australian Rules footballer by a club with $1m more to spend than Clarkson's just after his team won the flag and was still poised to challenge strongly. Surely you can see the fundamental differences in circumstances.

If Dangerfield leaves then Adelaide have lost 1 player. Adelaide already got rid of the coach because the players were not on board. At this point it looks like he and the whole side are well and truly on board with the new coach. Time will tell how that pans out.

On the other hand, The Dogs had to get rid of their coach.

 

[ksardog]

Ummm... So, if someone pulls out of a deal and thereby brings it undone who would you blame for bringing it undone?

So buckley needed his hand held while he coaches. Says to me he wasnt ready. Proven he wasnt ready.

Of coarse i believe if u sign a contract u should honour it, worlds changed tho. Your word use to be good enough.

Blaming someone who hasnt been there for 3 1/2 years tho? Cmon, thats an easy cop out.

By the way, u dont need to hav 3 quizical emoticons to make a point, 1 would suffice.

 

[Maggie5]

Is it possible to read one page purely on Buckley and his coaching abilities with any reference to you know who and the you know what plan?

 

[ksardog]

Is it possible to read one page purely on Buckley and his coaching abilities with any reference to you know who and the you know what plan?

Yes, if people wernt blaming u know who for where we are now. Im 100% with that.

 

[jmac70]

Is it possible to read one page purely on Buckley and his coaching abilities with any reference to you know who and the you know what plan?

I agree, this thread is way too broad.

 

[PieNSauce]

So buckley needed his hand held while he coaches. Says to me he wasnt ready. Proven he wasnt ready.

Of coarse i believe if u sign a contract u should honour it, worlds changed tho. Your word use to be good enough.

Blaming someone who hasnt been there for 3 1/2 years tho? Cmon, thats an easy cop out.

By the way, u dont need to hav 3 quizical emoticons to make a point, 1 would suffice.

What are you even talking about. We were discussing who was to blame for the undoing of the succession plan.

 

[Maggie5]

Yes, if people wernt blaming u know who for where we are now. Im 100% with that.

Hey, I put up a set of questions and not one reply from the haters, just using this thread for unrealistic vents.
I really am interested in what people think.
I am in the wait and see until the end of the year basket.

 

[ksardog]

What are you even talking about. We were discussing who was to blame for the undoing of the succession plan.

Yeh and i added my 2c worth like most here. Glad u can keep yourself to 1 emoticon this time.

 

[Mugavin]

What has Buckley shown coaching wise where he deserves a wait and see approach?

4 years is an adequate timeframe to view his coaching ability.

 

[PieNSauce]

Hey, I put up a set of questions and not one reply from the haters, just using this thread for unrealistic vents.
I really am interested in what people think.
I am in the wait and see until the end of the year basket.

I understand why you might be interested in what they think but I think you'll find that any hope of people providing believable answers is misplaced. It's like the way they keep bringing up Mick or the succession plan as supposed evidence that Bucks is no good. I don't get it and nobody has yet been able to give me one good reason why you would replace Bucks as coach... and they're not likely to.

 

[jmac70]

What has Buckley shown coaching wise where he deserves a wait and see approach?

4 years is an adequate timeframe to view his coaching ability.

Because it is only round 2 and he is contracted until the end of next year. What would be the point of sacking him now?

 

[PieNSauce]

What has Buckley shown coaching wise where he deserves a wait and see approach?

4 years is an adequate timeframe to view his coaching ability.

Crap. The plan outlined and supported by the club is a long term plan. What has he done in terms of the plan that would lead anyone to logically come to the conclusion that he can't coach or that he should be replaced. Please, I'm fascinated to hear it.

 

[Wayne Arnold]

Yet in 2012 buckley said he didnt change anything re game plan. Seemed to hold up ok.

The game plan was very similar to that of the previous years. There was only slight tinkering, which was the option to go down the middle at times. However, we predominantly played conservatively along the boundary line with Cloke the focal point. In 2011, Geelong's game plan defeated the press. In 2012 the Hawks went past us with their plan using superior skills to defeat the press. The Swans also went past us using the slingshot down the middle when our players would be caught out of position along the boundary. Nick Maxwell has spoken about slingshot football defeating the press. The game plan and team was competitive but not good enough to win a flag in 2012 and also beyond. There is no way playing along the boundary would have proved effective from 2013 onwards. Just have a look at Carlton now. That plan is obsolete and has been for several years.

Given the above, the club and coach decided to reload/rebuild after 2012. I agree with this strategy. Whether Buckley can take the current list forward remains to be seen and should be assessed at the end of the year.

 

[TW Sherrin]

bucks can coach
no he can't
yes he can
no he can't
yes he can
no he can't
yes he can
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[Maggie5]

I understand why you might be interested in what they think but I think you'll find that any hope of people providing believable answers is misplaced. It's like the way they keep bringing up Mick or the succession plan as supposed evidence that Bucks is no good. I don't get it and nobody has yet been able to give me one good reason why you would replace Bucks as coach... and they're not likely to.

I also am really interested in who should have been chosen as coach amongst those that were available.

Maybe I have followed football for too long as one thing I have learned is there is no quick fix, certainly not with the expanded league and compromised drafts.

 

[ClaytonM]

Made the prelim in 2012, hawthorn almost choked in prelim that year too. Anything can happen on the day. We didnt give ourselves the best chance.

Anyway, i didnt say win it in '12 and '13, i said give it our best chance to win it. U need luck, u also make your own luck. We did neither.

You are still talking about what should have happened in the past and sooking. I am not interested in what should have happened only what did and how it impacts on decisions today.

What happened is we made short term recruiting decisions to win a flag which are now having ramifications on our list. (Not a criticism just a fact). By the end of 2012 we were no longer competitive with the very best. (You can argue why but it is a fact). We made a decision to rebuild and that is a long term process that takes time and pain (fact).

Now we can sack Buckley based on these facts but I believe that would be premature. His first round of talent Grundy and Broomhead are just starting to show real signs and hopefully by the end of this year we will see similar from Sharon, freeman and possibly JDG and Moore. If not, Buckley's position should be under pressure.

The fact is the club has taken a long term view regarding our list, we need to take a similar approach with Buckley.

 

[PieNSauce]

I also am really interested in who should have been chosen as coach amongst those that were available.

Maybe I have followed football for too long as one thing I have learned is there is no quick fix, certainly not with the expanded league and compromised drafts.

Precisely but some here seem to think that a bunch of kids will become superhuman overnight if you just replace the coach!

 

[Mame]

Made the prelim in 2012, hawthorn almost choked in prelim that year too. Anything can happen on the day. We didnt give ourselves the best chance.

Anyway, i didnt say win it in '12 and '13, i said give it our best chance to win it. U need luck, u also make your own luck. We did neither.

You think Collingwood could be lucky! BAHAHA ROFL LMAO

 

[Mugavin]

Precisely but some here seem to think that a bunch of kids will become superhuman overnight if you just replace the coach!

Not superhuman but young players would play in structures that aren't U11 standard.

 

[PieNSauce]

You are still talking about what should have happened in the past and sooking. I am not interested in what should have happened only what did and how it impacts on decisions today.

What happened is we made short term recruiting decisions to win a flag which are now having ramifications on our list. (Not a criticism just a fact). By the end of 2012 we were no longer competitive with the very best. (You can argue why but it is a fact). We made a decision to rebuild and that is a long term process that takes time and pain (fact).

Now we can sack Buckley based on these facts but I believe that would be premature. His first round of talent Grundy and Broomhead are just starting to show real signs and hopefully by the end of this year we will see similar from Sharon, freeman and possibly JDG and Moore. If not, Buckley's position should be under pressure.

The fact is the club has taken a long term view regarding our list, we need to take a similar approach with Buckley.

That's the problem with a few posters here. Too busy crying over spilt milk to stop and have a look at what the club is trying to do. Well they can cry themselves into their graves as far as I'm concerned. It is what it is and it is very much a work in progress. I don't get why people think that a plan part way implemented should be judged before it has had time to mature.

 

[PieNSauce]

Not superhuman but young players would play in structures that aren't U11 standard.

That's just a crap unsubstantiable statement based on nothing but the knowledge that it can be neither confirmed or denied. Now that's U11 standard!

 

[ksardog]

Hey, I put up a set of questions and not one reply from the haters, just using this thread for unrealistic vents.
I really am interested in what people think.
I am in the wait and see until the end of the year basket.

Im at work now, but i will look at it tonight. Im not a hater either, so callin people that is just an easy label to throw out there.

 

[ksardog]

That's the problem with a few posters here. Too busy crying over spilt milk to stop and have a look at what the club is trying to do. Well they can cry themselves into their graves as far as I'm concerned. It is what it is and it is very much a work in progress. I don't get why people think that a plan part way implemented should be judged before it has had time to mature.

U told gary pert this, his expectations are pretty high i would hav thought