Mega Thread The 2017 'Buckley's Chances' Thread

[BringouttheGimp]

Love your work gimp
Respect!

All in fun

Though I'm thinking it's now a topic that goes in circles,
I might start thinking about the fields for Flemington on Saturday - easier

I'm more interested in watching newbies come into the side.. Scharenberg Daicos Brown Kirby.. not really interested in the results to be honest. Season is over.

Probably won't watch many night games.. if it's during the day I will.

And of course.. my no 1 priority is change. I want to see him out asap.

Freshen up the place a lil.. and interested to see how the players play with more freedom.

I have reserved judgment on a lot of players until I see em play under the instructions of a new coach. I personally think if it is a caretaker coach.. the players will dictate a game style they enjoy playing.

 

[frizzle]

If you take the GWS game in isolation (and also the Geelong game 2 weeks ago), Buckley has had 2 pretty good coaching weeks. He had a shocker last week against Carlton....completely unwilling to try anything different to mix up the game.

We ultimately had GWS' measure. Yes they had a few short, but we did our biggest damage early in the game when both sides were fresh and 1 rotation less wouldn't have made a difference. The fact is we set about a game-plan that worked. And it held up most of the game apart from maybe a poorer 2nd quarter.

The game was lost due to execution and panic under pressure. It's hard to say whether that's due to poor coaching, poor recruitment or that the players are fully to blame, but the fact is that we've lost a lot of close ones in the last 2 years and clearly we panic under pressure.

For me, my problem is that the club needs leadership here and we need to set a direction for the rest of the year. At 2-6, I'd say the season is gone. We'd have to win 10 of the last 14, and that may only be enough to scrape into 8th.

The AFL is not set up to reward teams for coming 5th to 12th. You either want to make top 4 or finish bottom 4. Everything else in between in just no mans land.

We need to take something out of the rest of this year. And it clearly has to be developing the talent on our list. Scharenberg needs games, and it's an opportunity to pump some games into Daicos and McLarty. We can also find out about Aish, Wills, Phillips, Broomhead and Mason Cox. Also need to find out about Lachie Keeffe and Josh Thomas because at their age they shouldn't just be VFL depth.

We'll probably land a top 3 pick, which we can use to finally recruit the gun KPF we need.

Going with this current course, we'll probably win 8 games and come around 12th again. It's just useless. An executive decision needs to be made about the season.

The issue with going about things the way I suggest is whether Buckley can survive by coming bottom 4. The answer is probably No. We'd be better off having a new coach or an interim coach who would have a licence to play kids and experiment. I think we could cop that as a supporter group. At least we'd know our direction this year. Right now, we seem to just be treading water. We're losing, but we're losing with the same team and we're not finding out enough about our depth. Guys like Aish and Cox are in and out, and we're not seeing Scharenberg.

I just wonder how much longer we can keep having these 'honourable losses' before we concede this season is over. The optimist in me says we can still turn this year around, and I still think Bucks can coach. I just don't think the situation is tenable anymore.

We are competitive against teams that don't employ a 7th defender & vulnerable against teams that do.
Saints had Roberton who was BOG - 32 disposals - 12 marks (only 1 contested) 6 R50's
Bombers had Hurley who was top 3 on field - 25 disposals - 5 marks - 8 R50's
Blues had Docherty & sometimes Simpson loose - They had 50 possessions, 18 marks (just 1 contested) & 8 rebound 50's between them.

The formula for beating us is a spare man back. Our coaching box have no idea how to combat it & have failed to do so for a long time.
Not just this year either.
It beggars belief that we recruit players simply for their tackling pressure & then allow them to be outnumbered so they can't lay tackles because there is always one extra to take the ball away far too easily.

 

[Roverjg]

Some useless trivia
Our losses under Buckley
0-10 points: 11 times
11-20 points: 10 times
21-20 points: 12 times
31-40 points: 7 times
41-50 points: 8 times
51-60 points: 3 times
61-70 points: 6 times
71-80 points: 0
80+ points: 2 times

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Some useless trivia
Our losses under Buckley
0-10 points: 11 times
11-20 points: 10 times
21-20 points: 12 times
31-40 points: 7 times
41-50 points: 8 times
51-60 points: 3 times
61-70 points: 6 times
71-80 points: 0
80+ points: 2 times

Can you imagine Buckley's win/lose ratio if he wasn't fortunate enough to inherit a premiership side?

One of the worst in vfl/afl history.

Respect!

 

[Baltimore Jack]

the one thing ive worked out that we need someone to coach us who isn't linked with Collingwood. our last 2 premiership coaches were non Collingwood people. I hope bucks coaching record hasn't tarnished his legacy at collingwood

McHale?
[Waiting for the goal posts to be shifted to fit your ludicrous suggestion]

 

[frizzle]

McHale?
[Waiting for the goal posts to be shifted to fit your ludicrous suggestion]

No offence BJ, you are factually correct but crickey it was 1949 - 68 years ago. We have had Tony Shaw, Bob Rose, Ron Richards, Mick Erwin, Neil Mann, Murray Weideman & Nathan Buckley coach us since then that all played for us. Not a great record since.

 

[sideswipe]

No offence BJ, you are factually correct but crickey it was 1949 - 68 years ago. We have had Tony Shaw, Bob Rose, Ron Richards, Mick Erwin, Neil Mann, Murray Weideman & Nathan Buckley coach us since then that all played for us. Not a great record since.

Don't forget Phonse Kyne who coached 2 flags.

If anyone feels in need of a pick me up, head on over to the Richmond at BF, specifically the post mortem of yesterday. General consensus is that the umpires have it in for them, the coach should go, etc,etc. You will read exactly the same sort of negative material that gets posted here, but it is about Richmond, not Collingwood. So it makes you happy, not sad.

 

[Anzacday]

Some useless trivia
Our losses under Buckley
0-10 points: 11 times
11-20 points: 10 times
21-20 points: 12 times
31-40 points: 7 times
41-50 points: 8 times
51-60 points: 3 times
61-70 points: 6 times
71-80 points: 0
80+ points: 2 times

Clarkson this year:
71-80 points: 1
80+ points 2
Bucks is better

 

[bucksisbest]

Stop being deluded by 'close' losses. Collingwood have adopted this approach for my entire 47 years on the planet. We always 'have a go', are often 'unlucky' or the classic excuse, 'the umps'. Its a loser mentality that breeds complacency, that leads to an inability to make hard decisions that take a club forward.

The stats don't lie, he has taken us backwards every year, his win loss record is appalling and he is at a club that is well resourced and has let him hand pick his assistants.

Its over, stop thinking with the heart and start thinking with your heads. This cannot go on.

I don't disagree with you, however I think it is pertinent to note that you had large chunks of time, where it was of a similar pattern, however we would atleast go deep and fail late. This era doesn't even threaten that type of hope.

 

[DaVe86]

We are competitive against teams that don't employ a 7th defender & vulnerable against teams that do.
Saints had Roberton who was BOG - 32 disposals - 12 marks (only 1 contested) 6 R50's
Bombers had Hurley who was top 3 on field - 25 disposals - 5 marks - 8 R50's
Blues had Docherty & sometimes Simpson loose - They had 50 possessions, 18 marks (just 1 contested) & 8 rebound 50's between them.

The formula for beating us is a spare man back. Our coaching box have no idea how to combat it & have failed to do so for a long time.
Not just this year either.
It beggars belief that we recruit players simply for their tackling pressure & then allow them to be outnumbered so they can't lay tackles because there is always one extra to take the ball away far too easily.

This is very true, however we are only playing 5 forwards at all centre bounces. Our sixth starts at the back of the square.

It worked once on the weekend with Sidebottom running through, but on numerous occasions we bombed forward to an outnumber.

It shocked me to see Docherty loose at the start of the Carlton game. Then I realized Carlton weren't actually sending down a spare....it was in fact us playing one short. When we eventually manned Docherty up, Plowman just became loose and he hurt us as well.

A starting point needs to be playing 6 forwards. This loose at the back of the square isn't working. If we want to keep employing it, maybe drop a wingman behind the ball.

It also doesn't help not having a hulking full forward who can compete 2 on 1.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

But he did manage to take advantage of "the best Half back flanker in the competition" and expose his defensive inability with definitely 4 and probably 5 goals registered against this legend of the game

Shhhhhh that's Haydn Bunton you're talking about.....
Can't have that

 

[MyManLynch]

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Are we in the relegation zone?

 

[Baltimore Jack]

No offence BJ, you are factually correct but crickey it was 1949 - 68 years ago. We have had Tony Shaw, Bob Rose, Ron Richards, Mick Erwin, Neil Mann, Murray Weideman & Nathan Buckley coach us since then that all played for us. Not a great record since.

No offence taken frizz.
Its interesting though that we might be able to make an argument fit a set of circumstances by simply picking a point in history to support it and ignoring any other point because it disagrees with it....but yeah, I get what you are saying

 

[HeathySure]

But he did manage to take advantage of "the best Half back flanker in the competition" and expose his defensive inability with definitely 4 and probably 5 goals registered against this legend of the game

and they still lost. He tags Shaw pretty much every time we play them. I guess he doesn't want to get exposed for letting go one of our legends.

 

[Countrypie]

and they still lost. He tags Shaw pretty much every time we play them. I guess he doesn't want to get exposed for letting go one of our legends.

He didn't tag him - he played Elliott on him because Shaw gets goals kicked on him every week.

 

[PieBeast]

He didn't tag him - he played Elliott on him because Shaw gets goals kicked on him every week.

And here I was thinking the AA selection criteria was the opposite, glad you're here to explain it to us

 

[Countrypie]

And here I was thinking the AA selection criteria was the opposite, glad you're here to explain it to us

Well does he or doesn't he? Seems to me he's man kicks at least three every week

 

[westozpie]

Six years of waiting not enough?

Absolutely just stating the facts, that they are putting in, you don't agree?

 

[BPikkers]

Any chance of Shaw returning home if Buckley doesn't continue next year?

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Clarkson this year:
71-80 points: 1
80+ points 2
Bucks is better

Lol

 

[Countrypie]

From a rival clubs board (currently on a losing streak) Itis all so familiar
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our list stinks, there is no depth

oldies are cooked, mid tier arent good enough and bottom tier falls away very quickly

coaching and selection is a joke, fringe players yo-yo in and out of the team, still too many talls

PLayer X being moved back and forward

there is no set structure or plan etc

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Guess which club?

 

[Anzacday]

From a rival clubs board (currently on a losing streak) Itis all so familiar
===========================
our list stinks, there is no depth

oldies are cooked, mid tier arent good enough and bottom tier falls away very quickly

coaching and selection is a joke, fringe players yo-yo in and out of the team, still too many talls

PLayer X being moved back and forward

there is no set structure or plan etc

==============================

Guess which club?

Geelong?

 

[Countrypie]

Geelong?

Got it - I find it very interesting how their fans view their future. The longer you put off the fall the steeper its going to be

 

[jscan]

Was hoping he would be shown the door today, but it seems we are happy with more of the same, but worse.

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

Are we in the relegation zone?

Lucky for us the proposed 2 tier division comp hasnt come in...otherwise we are right in the relegation zone!!!