Mega Thread The 2017 'Buckley's Chances' Thread

[FIGJAM]

What does this mean, FJ?

The report in relation to resignation.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Apparently Buckley was born under a double rainbow.

 

[Hong Kong Pie]

The report in relation to resignation.

Was there a recent rumour that Buckley would be resigning?

 

[good4footy]

The Age is reporting that Walsh's review is being presented to the board today, so I doubt that they'll wait another month and a half to make decisions or implement any recommendations he makes.

Realistically the longer we wait to announce the more likely he is to stay on. Man if we waited till after finals to sack him we have lost the plot at a footy department and board level. Talk about starting behind the 8 ball to start a search and put things into place for 2018 by waiting that long.

 

[Apex36]

Realistically the longer we wait to announce the more likely he is to stay on. Man if we waited till after finals to sack him we have lost the plot at at a footy department and board level. Talk about starting behind the 8 ball to start a search an put things into place for 2018 by waiting that long.

Exactly.

 

[GreekLunatic]

Maybe they got someone in mind who is participating in finals if Bucks stays announce it now

 

[MagpieBat]

Maybe they got someone in mind who is participating in finals if Bucks stays announce it now

If that's the case, they can interview them during the bye week, at least for initial conversations/gauging interest.

But yes, the anti-poaching rules (which we championed) would keep us from (re)interviewing someone while their club is still in the finals.

Although, if it's Caracella we have in mind, we will only have to wait until the Monday after the semi...

 

[Matt_352]

Or Dew

 

[MagpieBat]

Or Dew

You'll be waiting until after the granny for that. And if they win the whole damn thing, maybe another week on top of that for the sip to wear off...

 

[MagpieBat]

They're in full SCIF mode...

 

[Matt_352]

You'll be waiting until after the granny for that. And if they win the whole damn thing, maybe another week on top of that for the sip to wear off...

Dew being coach worth every damn second

 

[Matt_352]

Either one of em (Dew/Caracella) both great choices

 

[jscan]

"President Eddie McGuire and the Magpies board are meeting to discuss the future of coach Nathan Buckley"

What is there to discuss?? the results don't lie.

 

[swoop42]

Personally I believe the stats that rule them all were originally posted by me way back on page 64.

A summary of those stats:

Of the last 14 premiership coaches only 1 coach in Malthouse failed to make finals for 4 consecutive years prior to winning his first premiership (all at Footscray, top 5 in play).

The average amount of seasons of most consecutive non finals appearances pre or post 1st premiership for all 14 coaches is 2.79 seasons (top 8 not always in play)

The average amount of years it took each coach to claim 1st premiership is 4.5 years (shortest C. Scott 1st season, longest Malthouse 9 years).

*Of the 14 coaches 12 won there first premiership at the club of there original appointment.

An opinion based on the findings:

It would appear Buckley only has a 7.14% chance of now becoming a premiership coach. Miss finals next season and it's basically down to 0% as Malthouse didn't miss for a 5th year.

At 4 years Buckley is already above the average of consecutive seasons of missed finals by these premiership coaches during any part of there tenure. That figure contains some periods when a final 8 wasn't in play or when a long serving coach was at the helm of a side during periods of struggle so I see it as an accurate guide and if anything the average is probably skewed slightly higher than it could have been.

After 6 years as coach of Collingwood Buckley is 1.5 years further along than the average time frame for a coach to win there first flag. That in itself isn't reason enough for him to be removed but when coupled with the other variables it's hardly encouraging.

So basically if Ed chooses to reappoint Buckley he'll be making a decision that would appear by my reckoning not to be in the best interests of the club and provide minimal hope for a premiership.

*As an aside the alleged thought process by him that a rookie coach isn't what's best for Collingwood appears flawed logic to me given 12 out of the 14 coaches were at there first appointment when they won the flag and only 3 of them so far have won premierships at multiple clubs.

 

[swoop42]

Realistically the longer we wait to announce the more likely he is to stay on. Man if we waited till after finals to sack him we have lost the plot at a footy department and board level. Talk about starting behind the 8 ball to start a search and put things into place for 2018 by waiting that long.

Dew and Caracella for example will be involved in finals and I believe opposition teams now respect the clubs they're at and wait for them to complete there season before engaging in serious discussion.

 

[piepark]

The thought has crossed my mind that perhaps Bucks had previously told the club, its finals or bust for me as coach in 2017. The whole 'review' and 'wait and see' approach by the club is pretty much knowing that if we know the coach is going we might as well review the whole dam club and start from scratch.

When Bucks said in his interview, if we don't make finals in 2017, he didn't expect to stay, was he talking about himself resigning, rather than the club moving on him?

Quite possible and would put into context the club not offering him a new contract for 2018.

I still find it hard that the club hasn't offered him a new deal because of the 'review'. He can either coach or he can't?

Never heard of this site until today so take it with a bucket load of salt:

http://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/...ood-magpies/4czwewjnv2fg10v6o7h0q7lrd/slide/1

 

[frizzle]

Dew and Caracella for example will be involved in finals and I believe opposition teams now respect the clubs they're at and wait for them to complete there season before engaging in serious discussion.

Well we could interview Ratten then.

 

[mike123]

Never heard of this site until today so take it with a bucket load of salt:

http://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/...ood-magpies/4czwewjnv2fg10v6o7h0q7lrd/slide/1

Sounds like it was written from somebody on here

 

[FIGJAM]

Was there a recent rumour that Buckley would be resigning?

Yeah, in the Sporting News one further up.

Not that they're reliable, but did hear something similar before they reported it and they're the only ones who've reported anything other than an extension / sacking.

 

[Matt_352]

Interview Ratts while we wait for Richmond and Sydney to finish up. Unfortunetly Sydney will finish up on grand final day I suspect.

 

[Dubaimagpie]

Dew and Caracella for example will be involved in finals and I believe opposition teams now respect the clubs they're at and wait for them to complete there season before engaging in serious discussion.

Wasn't it reported last week that the Managers of both these guys had contacted the club?

If true and from reports this morning that decision won't be made for a while, this would probably mean that we might be looking at someone who is involved in the finals.


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[Gone Critical]

Personally I believe the stats that rule them all were originally posted by me way back on page 64.

A summary of those stats:

Of the last 14 premiership coaches only 1 coach in Malthouse failed to make finals for 4 consecutive years prior to winning his first premiership (all at Footscray, top 5 in play).

The average amount of seasons of most consecutive non finals appearances pre or post 1st premiership for all 14 coaches is 2.79 seasons (top 8 not always in play)

The average amount of years it took each coach to claim 1st premiership is 4.5 years (shortest C. Scott 1st season, longest Malthouse 9 years).

*Of the 14 coaches 12 won there first premiership at the club of there original appointment.

An opinion based on the findings:

It would appear Buckley only has a 7.14% chance of now becoming a premiership coach. Miss finals next season and it's basically down to 0% as Malthouse didn't miss for a 5th year.

At 4 years Buckley is already above the average of consecutive seasons of missed finals by these premiership coaches during any part of there tenure. That figure contains some periods when a final 8 wasn't in play or when a long serving coach was at the helm of a side during periods of struggle so I see it as an accurate guide and if anything the average is probably skewed slightly higher than it could have been.

After 6 years as coach of Collingwood Buckley is 1.5 years further along than the average time frame for a coach to win there first flag. That in itself isn't reason enough for him to be removed but when coupled with the other variables it's hardly encouraging.

So basically if Ed chooses to reappoint Buckley he'll be making a decision that would appear by my reckoning not to be in the best interests of the club and provide minimal hope for a premiership.

*As an aside the alleged thought process by him that a rookie coach isn't what's best for Collingwood appears flawed logic to me given 12 out of the 14 coaches were at there first appointment when they won the flag and only 3 of them so far have won premierships at multiple clubs.

Sorry these are just a bunch of retrospective observations. They are essentially meaningless and you have tried to find a significance in them that doesn't exist.

 

[jmac70]

"President Eddie McGuire and the Magpies board are meeting to discuss the future of coach Nathan Buckley"

What is there to discuss?? the results don't lie.

His future?

 

[Saintly Viewed]

People need to stop purporting that others want Buckley removed because we haven't won a flag in his time.

Hogwash.

It's the 4 consecutive seasons of no finals and 6 years of decline that is the problem.

The results speak for themselves and it's a bit rich that we may go down the path of holding everyone bar the senior coach responsible.

Then they should stop with the hogwash, your word, that it's 6 years, fair enough 4 years.
The first two years Buckley coached finals.

So the 6 years v 4 years is designed to do a Robbo and make it sound as bad as possible.

Ps people are very easy to wind up

 

[jmac70]

Apparently Buckley was born under a double rainbow.

Better than a wandering star I suppose.