No Oppo Supporters The ASADA Thread... from a Tiger perspective

[Bazzar]

Agree, My opinion of Bomber has gone up 10 fold after viewing that.

Im the opposite, it has gone down as he comes across as a complete nut job.

 

[TigermanM2]

New found appreciation for Barrett. Right on the money with this one:


Hird's halo gives way to self-interest

By Damian Barrett1:38pm AEST Thursday, August 29, 2013


James Hird's belligerence in taking on the AFL held the game to ransom, says Damian Barrett


EVEN on the morning after the great backdown, which came after the six-month long request that the truth be made public, the spin continued.
James Hird had been "heroic", according to his lawyer. Essendon had been "unfairly dealt with", according to Hird himself. Give us a spell.
And here's the real doozy, again from his lawyer – it was "very likely" Hird would have succeeded in court action against the AFL had he pursued it. Of course he would have.
For nearly seven months, we were told by Hird that he and Essendon were going to be in far better position when the AFL/ASADA investigation had fully played out.
High-end lawyers were employed, at monumental cost, to ensure that be the case.

Hird had the full backing of the person holding the highest position at his football club, too.
Well, he did after his belligerence in wanting to not just take on the AFL, but accuse its two highest-ranked executives, Andrew Demetriou and Gillon McLachlan, of actions that may have been punishable by jail, contributed to forcing out the previous chairman David Evans.
Evans, a man who happened to be a 20-year friend, and like so many others caught up in the reverence of Hird, was a man who had worshipped his every move.
One wonders what broke first in Evans – his heart or his health. And whether it was his realisation that Hird was prepared to put himself ahead of the club and the game that triggered the hurt.
The sanctions accepted on Tuesday night by Hird, the Essendon Football Club, assistant coach Mark Thompson and football operations manager Danny Corcoran, were actually greater than those being thrashed out by Evans, before he quit.
And yet on the morning after the great backdown, which came after months of legal threats to go the journey, Hird was still being positioned in public debate as innocent.
In fact, he had done "absolutely nothing wrong", according to Julian Burnside QC.

Whatever.

Would love to know exactly how much football money was lost to lawyers in this drama. Would love to know exactly if and how much Essendon Football Club money was used by Hird for his legal pursuits. Remember, that money, if it was used by Hird, is effectively members' money. And it has been wasted just like the 2013 season.
At least Hird himself used the "sorry" word on several occasions when he finally rolled up at AFL Headquarters late on Tuesday.
But as he now ponders the disgrace, the hurt and the unknown attached to a 12-month AFL suspension, he needs to ask many questions. Mostly of himself, starting with why he played the dangerous legal game all the way through to this week.
Club chairman Paul Little needs to ask himself why he allowed Hird – even encouraged him – to head down that path.
Little's press conference last week, when he said the AFL was "reprehensible" and actually dared to talk on behalf of the football public to state it had lost confidence in the AFL, was staggering in its delusion.
Let's pump that chest a few more times, right after Hird had pumped his.
In the end, and given Essendon's decision to roll over on Tuesday night, the whole legal threat line was nothing but a deliberate ploy to divert attention from the actual issue: the embarrassingly amateurish handling of the drugs program inflicted on players from late 2011 and into 2012.
So, are we meant to just forget that stance, which was so botched that it actually united the 17 rival clubs on one issue like never before, Paul Little?
The man himself needs to address why he held the game of AFL to ransom for so long, and if he doesn't, Essendon members should.
When it was all signed off with the AFL late Tuesday night, Little had arrived at a set of sanctions that were harsher than those being worked on by Evans.
And he arrived at that outcome when he finally and so belatedly concluded that his football club was never going to win this issue.
Evans' role in all of this still needs proper analysis, but at least he was aware that serious sanctions were guaranteed, and didn't take the club down its frothing-at-the-mouth course.

The AFL is far from faultless in this embarrassing saga. It needs to thoroughly review its football operations department, and meticulously revisit the late 2011 meeting with Hird where peptides were discussed.
It should consider handing down its own sanctions against those who knew of that meeting and yet then failed to police the Bombers' subsequent actions.
Adrian Anderson's time as football operations manager saw a lot of chest-pumping and public belittling of people who dared to wager a few dollars on certain contests, yet not much when it came to trying to get to the bottom of other, equally serious issues.
Such as the very obvious preparedness of some officials and players to push the boundaries of performance enhancement.
Remember, in 2011 Anderson admitted that more than 20 players were being profiled by drug testers. Senior doping officials from rival sports maintain that athletes are not, as a rule, profiled without reason.
The AFL needs to fully get its head around the fact that the men who play its game, and those who coach and guide them, will push to the absolute limit the boundaries upon which they operate. Just like athletes all round the world.
No more of the well entrenched, naive starting-point view that everyone is clean.
It also needs to realise that a negotiated outcome is not always the best way to deal with a scandal.
It needs, just like Essendon, to ask the toughest questions of itself. And to commit to acting on the findings, as it attempts to move on from an issue at least partially of its own making which has forever tainted the game it controls.

 

[Nuffers]

Im the opposite, it has gone down as he comes across as a complete nut job.

I love my nut jobs....... He came across as honest, admitted they ****ed up and that Essendon was far from a professional club, and he would love to know what the hell happened too.

 

[CoggaRules]

New found appreciation for Barrett. Right on the money with this one:


Hird's halo gives way to self-interest

By Damian Barrett1:38pm AEST Thursday, August 29, 2013


James Hird's belligerence in taking on the AFL held the game to ransom, says Damian Barrett


EVEN on the morning after the great backdown, which came after the six-month long request that the truth be made public, the spin continued.
James Hird had been "heroic", according to his lawyer. Essendon had been "unfairly dealt with", according to Hird himself. Give us a spell.
And here's the real doozy, again from his lawyer – it was "very likely" Hird would have succeeded in court action against the AFL had he pursued it. Of course he would have.
For nearly seven months, we were told by Hird that he and Essendon were going to be in far better position when the AFL/ASADA investigation had fully played out.
High-end lawyers were employed, at monumental cost, to ensure that be the case.

Hird had the full backing of the person holding the highest position at his football club, too.
Well, he did after his belligerence in wanting to not just take on the AFL, but accuse its two highest-ranked executives, Andrew Demetriou and Gillon McLachlan, of actions that may have been punishable by jail, contributed to forcing out the previous chairman David Evans.
Evans, a man who happened to be a 20-year friend, and like so many others caught up in the reverence of Hird, was a man who had worshipped his every move.
One wonders what broke first in Evans – his heart or his health. And whether it was his realisation that Hird was prepared to put himself ahead of the club and the game that triggered the hurt.
The sanctions accepted on Tuesday night by Hird, the Essendon Football Club, assistant coach Mark Thompson and football operations manager Danny Corcoran, were actually greater than those being thrashed out by Evans, before he quit.
And yet on the morning after the great backdown, which came after months of legal threats to go the journey, Hird was still being positioned in public debate as innocent.
In fact, he had done "absolutely nothing wrong", according to Julian Burnside QC.

Whatever.

Would love to know exactly how much football money was lost to lawyers in this drama. Would love to know exactly if and how much Essendon Football Club money was used by Hird for his legal pursuits. Remember, that money, if it was used by Hird, is effectively members' money. And it has been wasted just like the 2013 season.
At least Hird himself used the "sorry" word on several occasions when he finally rolled up at AFL Headquarters late on Tuesday.
But as he now ponders the disgrace, the hurt and the unknown attached to a 12-month AFL suspension, he needs to ask many questions. Mostly of himself, starting with why he played the dangerous legal game all the way through to this week.
Club chairman Paul Little needs to ask himself why he allowed Hird – even encouraged him – to head down that path.
Little's press conference last week, when he said the AFL was "reprehensible" and actually dared to talk on behalf of the football public to state it had lost confidence in the AFL, was staggering in its delusion.
Let's pump that chest a few more times, right after Hird had pumped his.
In the end, and given Essendon's decision to roll over on Tuesday night, the whole legal threat line was nothing but a deliberate ploy to divert attention from the actual issue: the embarrassingly amateurish handling of the drugs program inflicted on players from late 2011 and into 2012.
So, are we meant to just forget that stance, which was so botched that it actually united the 17 rival clubs on one issue like never before, Paul Little?
The man himself needs to address why he held the game of AFL to ransom for so long, and if he doesn't, Essendon members should.
When it was all signed off with the AFL late Tuesday night, Little had arrived at a set of sanctions that were harsher than those being worked on by Evans.
And he arrived at that outcome when he finally and so belatedly concluded that his football club was never going to win this issue.
Evans' role in all of this still needs proper analysis, but at least he was aware that serious sanctions were guaranteed, and didn't take the club down its frothing-at-the-mouth course.

The AFL is far from faultless in this embarrassing saga. It needs to thoroughly review its football operations department, and meticulously revisit the late 2011 meeting with Hird where peptides were discussed.
It should consider handing down its own sanctions against those who knew of that meeting and yet then failed to police the Bombers' subsequent actions.
Adrian Anderson's time as football operations manager saw a lot of chest-pumping and public belittling of people who dared to wager a few dollars on certain contests, yet not much when it came to trying to get to the bottom of other, equally serious issues.
Such as the very obvious preparedness of some officials and players to push the boundaries of performance enhancement.
Remember, in 2011 Anderson admitted that more than 20 players were being profiled by drug testers. Senior doping officials from rival sports maintain that athletes are not, as a rule, profiled without reason.
The AFL needs to fully get its head around the fact that the men who play its game, and those who coach and guide them, will push to the absolute limit the boundaries upon which they operate. Just like athletes all round the world.
No more of the well entrenched, naive starting-point view that everyone is clean.
It also needs to realise that a negotiated outcome is not always the best way to deal with a scandal.
It needs, just like Essendon, to ask the toughest questions of itself. And to commit to acting on the findings, as it attempts to move on from an issue at least partially of its own making which has forever tainted the game it controls.

Yep...and now we await the imbecile Sam Newman's response..

 

[TigermanM2]

FFS - it's so ******* annoying that the line that "if the AFL had come to us and told us how to handle this better" is trotted out all of the time and if it keeps going then I will spew...

ESSENDON SHOULD HAVE HANDLED IT BETTER BY ACTUALLY BEING TRUTHFULL AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE ENORMITY OF THE PILE OF SHIT THAT THEY WERE IN RATHER THAN FALLING INTO INSTANT DENIAL, MANIC DEFENSE OF THEIR LOVE CHILD HIRD AND EVEN WORSE... PARANOIA AND CONSPIRACY THEORIES!!!!!!!!!!!

THAT RIGHT THERE IS THE REASON WHEY THE WHOLE THING HAS HAD TO DRAG ON FOR 6 MONTHS!!!

STOP BLAMING EVERYONE ELSE!!!!!

Thompson, Dank and Robinson were all at Geelong without issue.

Exit 1 x Great Club

Enter 1 x James Hird + 1 x Pathetic Club!

Thank you linesmen, thank you ball boys!

 

[CoggaRules]

Thompson, Dank and Robinson were all at Geelong without issue.

Exit 1 x Great Club

Enter 1 x James Hird + 1 x Pathetic Club!

Thank you linesmen, thank you ball boys!

Ummm...tipping that should say, without any "known issues".

 

[TigermanM2]

Ummm...tipping that should say, without any "known issues".

You could be right who knows, but you would have expected something to have come out by now. Cant imagine anything sinister going on with Costa, Cook and Balme breathing down their necks.

 

[Bazzar]

You could be right who knows, but you would have expected something to have come out by now. Cant imagine anything sinister going on with Costa, Cook and Balme breathing down their necks.

100% spot on. A trio with mega integrity.

 

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["The Roar Is Back"]

Needs more Little .

 

[Bazzar]

What a massive day.

• Horse drugs allegedly given to players.

• ASADA starting with the first NRL infraction

• Barretts magnificent king hit on the Essendon football club which will make the Footy Show and Newman compulsory viewing.

• And the biggest of all, Reid apparently taking the AFL to court.

Tom Elliot said before he has spoken to some doctors and they are of the opinion he will be struck off. Sounds like he will do anything for that not to happen, and with luck dump a load on the Bombers. And with extra luck Dank will be served and have to appear in the witness box under oath.

The beginning of the end for the Bombers? Hope so.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

The NRL drugo Earl considered a move to AFL and tried out for Essendrugs at the recommendation of Dank.

Sauce :free60

Woowee

 

[prodigy]

I can't wait till this is all over. Can't wait for finals to put this crap on the backburner. Absolutely over it completely.

 

[Bazzar]

The parents must be horrified as each day passes.

EXCLUSIVE
Police may be called in to investigate allegations that Essendon players were deceived into taking part in a secret drug trial.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-fears-drug-deceit-20130726-2qq3f.html#ixzz2dLt74hfO​

 

[Danog]

That article was from a month ago

 

[Tigerrific]

Hot new boy band.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

AAAhhh the story that keeps on giving......gives me a warm rosy glow reading about the Bummers supplement saga and the ongoing devious machinations..
Just so satisfying reading about their F**K UPS...
Now for the ASADA/WADA reports to come...revisit Jab watsons brownlow...aaahhh it just keeps giving...

 

[deliberate!!]

Well said Kochy...

Port Adelaide President David Koch says James Hird would have been stood down and banned from the club if he was coach of the Power.

"Suffice to say it would not have happened at Port Adelaide," Koch said on ABC Radio about Essendon offering Hird another contract following his 12-month ban.

"If we were in that position I would have stood down at the very beginning and the coach would never coach at Port Adelaide again."

http://www.footywire.com/club/sports/player-349-biography.html

 

[Bazzar]

Well said Kochy...

Port Adelaide President David Koch says James Hird would have been stood down and banned from the club if he was coach of the Power.

"Suffice to say it would not have happened at Port Adelaide," Koch said on ABC Radio about Essendon offering Hird another contract following his 12-month ban.

"If we were in that position I would have stood down at the very beginning and the coach would never coach at Port Adelaide again."

http://www.footywire.com/club/sports/player-349-biography.html

I hird him being interviewed and he also said if he was in the corporate world he would have been instantly dismissed. Ballsy comment by a Prez

 

[Tigerland]

Kochie is 100% correct. Essendon's arrogance in the handling of this has been extraordinary.

They have been waiting for the truth to come out... now they want to move on and put it behind them. Liars.

'Bring on 2014' is one thread on the bombers page.
Will they change that to 'Bring on 2015' when sanctions are handed down.

 

[HeadandShin]

What an Essendon wank fest during the telecast last night. Yes it was a strange game but FFS. It was almost like we weren't there. In the middle of all the "essendon have such a great list list" and "they will be pushing top 4 next year" drivel, I was just waiting for one of the them (most likely Lingy or Richo) to chime in with "well that's assuming ASADA don't have anything to say about it!!". I am curious - do you guys think the AFL have given them a directive to talk up the Bombers?

Also.....David Koch. Thank you for saying what 94.44% of all AFL supporters have been thinking!

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

how is extending Turd's coaching contract...not seen as bringing the game into disrepute...

 

[tigerfan11]

do all 17 other clubs a favour and extend hird's contract by 20 years. the filth will destroy that club.

 

[Bazzar]

This looks like fun

Angry Sandor Earl tips bucket on Stephen Dank


SUSPENDED NRL player Sandor Earl has revealed all he knows about sports scientist Stephen Dank to the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority.
Earl's lawyer Tim Unsworth last night confirmed his client had shared information with ASADA relating to Dank as he seeks to take advantage of the substantial-assistance clause, which could allow him to return to the game after a year.
It is understood there is no love lost between the pair, whose relationship was once so strong Dank organised for Earl to have a secret try-out with the Essendon AFL club. That relationship has soured to the point that Earl had no qualms telling ASADA everything he knew about Dank.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...-on-stephen-dank/story-fnca0von-1226707929873

 

[Stylo]

Im the opposite, it has gone down as he comes across as a complete nut job.

I thought he handled it really well until about the 20 minute mark, seemed to overwhelm him a little at that point, started mincing his words.