The Australian Greens - What are they Doing?

[Scotland]

We will have pulled our weight

To subsidise some of the additional cost of going green we will export all the fossil fuels we burn domestically.

 

[Grin]

To subsidise some of the additional cost of going green we will export all the fossil fuels we burn domestically.

Link?

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

None of your posting vaguely resembles an intellect that justifies your grandiose opinion of yourself, so put a lid on it. People dont come here to see some ranting leftist loon throwing insults around.

Do they come in here to see a fascist climate denier hijack every thread?

 

[Hoops]

Dear oh dear

Deranged and Desperate

It is beyond question that locking up national parks from logging and grazing and reducing offs increases dramatically the risk of fire damage. Policies the greens have long espoused.

You are just arguing with yourself.

Now run along and play the fool elsewhere.

lol, grazing as fire reduction measure.

 

[Frank Bunn]

This article is from SEVEN years ago. As Caesar said the world has moved on.

As I said, just one example. But no, the world hasn't moved on.

Snake_Baker's post about Dr. Mototaka Nakamura was based on a book he wrote in June 2019.

The take-home message is that all climate simulation models, even those with the best parametric representation scheme for convective motions and clouds, suffer from a very large degree of arbitrariness in the representation of processes that determine the atmospheric water vapor and cloud fields. Since the climate models are tuned arbitrarily …there is no reason to trust their predictions/forecasts.​

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With values of parameters that are supposed to represent many complex processes being held constant, many nonlinear processes in the real climate system are absent or grossly distorted in the models. It is a delusion to believe that simulation models that lack important nonlinear processes in the real climate system can predict (even) the sense or direction of the climate change correctly.​

 

[Deliverance]

As I said, just one example. But no, the world hasn't moved on.

Snake_Baker's post about Dr. Mototaka Nakamura was based on a book he wrote in June 2019.

The take-home message is that all climate simulation models, even those with the best parametric representation scheme for convective motions and clouds, suffer from a very large degree of arbitrariness in the representation of processes that determine the atmospheric water vapor and cloud fields. Since the climate models are tuned arbitrarily …there is no reason to trust their predictions/forecasts.​

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With values of parameters that are supposed to represent many complex processes being held constant, many nonlinear processes in the real climate system are absent or grossly distorted in the models. It is a delusion to believe that simulation models that lack important nonlinear processes in the real climate system can predict (even) the sense or direction of the climate change correctly.​

So what is causing global warming?

 

[its free real estate]

As I said, just one example. But no, the world hasn't moved on.

Snake_Baker's post about Dr. Mototaka Nakamura was based on a book he wrote in June 2019.

The take-home message is that all climate simulation models, even those with the best parametric representation scheme for convective motions and clouds, suffer from a very large degree of arbitrariness in the representation of processes that determine the atmospheric water vapor and cloud fields. Since the climate models are tuned arbitrarily …there is no reason to trust their predictions/forecasts.​

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With values of parameters that are supposed to represent many complex processes being held constant, many nonlinear processes in the real climate system are absent or grossly distorted in the models. It is a delusion to believe that simulation models that lack important nonlinear processes in the real climate system can predict (even) the sense or direction of the climate change correctly.​

Yes, I read that. This part in particular struck me as nonsense:

Accurate simulation of cloud is simply impossible in climate models since it requires calculations of processes at scales smaller than 1mm.​

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Better tell every mechanical engineer that designs cars that their finite element mesh sizes are too low precision. I mean really, less than a mm, for a cloud that spans 10s of km?

That aside, the claim in the previous article from 2013 was that temperature rise had paused. This has not been the case since then, with global average temperatures rising almost every year since.

 

[Snake_Baker]

No climate predictions longer than several weeks are worth a pinch of s**t, and sane people would do well to ignore them. Carry on with your lives. If you can utilise renewables energy sources then this is still a great idea.

This, of course, does not mean that we should disregard pollution or attempts to keep the planet in as much of a natural balance as possible.

 

[Bazzar]

NSW bushfires: South coast farmers warned state of ‘death traps’ along environmental zones


Farmers warned Premier Gladys Berejiklian south coast towns were a bushfire “death trap” 18 months ago because dangerous fuel loads could not be cleared without local government approval — but the state did nothing about it as it was a council issue.

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[Snake_Baker]

Are these idiots even slightly aware that bushfires are a naturally occurring, evolutionary phenomenon on this continent?

 

[Snake_Baker]

Home | Department of Biodiversity, Conservation and Attractions

www.dpaw.wa.gov.au

 

[Frank Bunn]

Yes, I read that. This part in particular struck me as nonsense:

Accurate simulation of cloud is simply impossible in climate models since it requires calculations of processes at scales smaller than 1mm.​

​

Better tell every mechanical engineer that designs cars that their finite element mesh sizes are too low precision. I mean really, less than a mm, for a cloud that spans 10s of km?

Give Dr. Mototaka Nakamura a call and tell him he got it wrong. Maybe he's part of the big conspiracy?

 

[its free real estate]

Give Dr. Mototaka Nakamura a call and tell him he got it wrong. Maybe he's part of the big conspiracy?

What conspiracy?

 

[Frank Bunn]

What conspiracy?

Your big conspiracy.

 

[its free real estate]

Your big conspiracy.

Which is?

 

[Frank Bunn]

Which is?

The big denier conspiracy. Have you called him yet to tell him he got it wrong?

 

[its free real estate]

The big denier conspiracy.

Which is?

Have you called him yet to tell him he got it wrong?

Just finished the call, he said I was right and that he would now commit seppuku out of shame.

 

[Bazzar]

Are these idiots even slightly aware that bushfires are a naturally occurring, evolutionary phenomenon on this continent?

An increasing number of these stories are now coming out from the landowners in varios shires and councils in QLD, NSW and Vic.
It flies in the face of the PR spin from the state governments, local councils, the ABC and Guardian about alleged quotas of prescribed burns being met.
This serious issue has to be front and square in the upcoming federal inquiry.

 

[Snake_Baker]

The big denier conspiracy. Have you called him yet to tell him he got it wrong?

He doesn't even have a horse in this philosophical race. He's just here to score "know all" points in the current SRP hot topic.

The bloke is a baaaaad narcissist.

 

[Snake_Baker]

..............and the game changer has just arrived.

A narrow majority of Australians want to develop nuclear power to reduce carbon dioxide emissions

A narrow majority of 51% (up 16% since July 2011) of respondents say Australia should develop nuclear power to reduce Australia’s carbon dioxide emissions. Just over a third 34% (down 24%) say no, Australia shouldn’t, while 15% (up 8%) can’t say.

www.roymorgan.com

Over to you "Tricky Dicky Di Natale"!

 

[TimmeT]

..............and the game changer has just arrived.

A narrow majority of Australians want to develop nuclear power to reduce carbon dioxide emissions

A narrow majority of 51% (up 16% since July 2011) of respondents say Australia should develop nuclear power to reduce Australia’s carbon dioxide emissions. Just over a third 34% (down 24%) say no, Australia shouldn’t, while 15% (up 8%) can’t say.

www.roymorgan.com

Over to you "Tricky Dicky Di Natale"!

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Everyone knows Di Nutter only reckons Australia wants the extreme things that his party puts up.

 

[medusala]

lol, grazing as fire reduction measure.

Yep its common sense.

 

[its free real estate]

He doesn't even have a horse in this philosophical race. He's just here to score "know all" points in the current SRP hot topic.

The bloke is a baaaaad narcissist.

Says the man who posts his own tweets

 

[its free real estate]

Yep its common sense.

Do cows eat bark and leaf litter?

 

[kranky al]

are we going to backburn in rainforests now?