Unsolved The Beaumont Children

[Oksrus]

I read a comment on another site suggesting that some one high up in John Martin's had areputation for taking children
Onto the stairwell after the close of business. I be have not been able to find the comment again and just filed it away until the idea of some one with enough status and clout to get away with something like this.
Then I learned that JM bought an existing business in a country town. It could we'll have been all above board but it raised some doubts in my mind.
That may be the connection you need

My theory also has a rich well connected individual who has the social clout to be untouchable.
My POI is/was very wealthy to drive a sports type car as reported by a witness who saw the children get into such a vehicle.
There as reported that the bodies were placed in a dam for two weeks
To deal with putrification.
Sapol searched Myponga dam and found nothing.
My POI owned a farm a little south of Myponga which be likely had one or more dams.
He owned a successful retail business in Adelaide.
There is some reports that he would take children into stair Wells etc
particularly after business hours

Are you aware that JM owned a business in a town not far from Yatina

Thanks for that email.
I had intended to visit the premises you described now I will definitely do so
The business is/was about an hour drive
south east from Yatina.
I think we are on the same line of thought
but to confirm our suspicions will be difficult.

 

[DropBearess]

I am trying to establish a connection betweent the Adelaide oval case and the Beaumont case.
My main theory is a student teacher took the Beaumonts. But Iam not sure who took the AO girls.
I do explore other theories however, the beaumonts could have been taken by a person rich enough to cover his tracks.
The AO girls were last sighted near the sister company of John Martins, a factory near Bonython Park.

I totally agree with your theory that a student teacher took the Beaumont children. This has been my theory for many years.

 

[johnymac1]

I totally agree with your theory that a student teacher took the Beaumont children. This has been my theory for many years.

The trainees are considered more like one of their pals, so the kids treat the student teacher differently than the class teacher..
Generally the kids would address them by their first name, as opposed to MR Smith etc. Upon graduating the new teacher was often posted to a country school, so in-fact he could actually hide out there for a few years.
Who ever it was, is near or over eighty by now. He could be deceased. The BC abduction was probably his first offending and he's likely offended with obviously different MO's in later years. The crime was committed in an era before profiling, so I sometimes wonder what a modern day profile would look like.

 

[Deni]

This is a curiosity question.
We are all probably familiar with the Andrew McIntyre story re the beaumonts with Max, Munro etc.
My question is when people think Andrew first started telling his story? Perhaps the details of what the original story was?

Don't quote me on this but ivé heard and read it was around 2006..

 

[Deni]

Also the poster who lived in the area at the time said the Wenzel’s bakery street was only for buses, no parking for cars - what about taxis? Was there a taxi rank there too? Did he give them a lift?

I lived directly across the road from Wenzels at that time with my family, it was a pretty wide street, Mosely Street, my parents parked on it all the time.

 

[Deni]

I don’t have any theories: more like scenarios unsupported by any evidence at all.

Assuming the uncle was of the right age at the time, and has a physical description similar to the man seen by the people on the bench at the foreshore (I have no idea about that):

1/ he plays with the kids, they’ve lost their money, he asks the people on the bench about it, they haven’t seen anything, he gives the kids a pound note (generous uncle style), and heads off to the changing sheds, the kids to the bakery.

2/ he’s connected somehow to the younger man (TM?), knows Mr Beaumont won’t be there that day, knows younger man is at the beach too, connects with him, hands off kids.

3/ he has been eyeing off Jane for years, knows Mr Beaumont is not at the beach, sends them to the bakery with money, waits in his taxi at taxi rank, they get in willingly, no fuss, drives off with them.

Totally unsupported by any evidence at all.

I have never heard of the Uncle living in Adelaide and driving taxis at that time, I only heard he lived in Tasmania and was driving taxis there.

And the news story about the elderly lady sitting watching the kids playing I would question that. It was posted by Greycrow..
Going by my 3 older brothers the oval that day was jam packed, as was the beach. They can't even remember if the sprinklers were on because there was so many picnicing families

 

[Deni]

3/ he has been eyeing off Jane for years, knows Mr Beaumont is not at the beach, sends them to the bakery with money, waits in his taxi at taxi rank, they get in willingly, no fuss, drives off with them.

The problem with that senario is the one that has been told over and over again by an ex journo at the Advertiser. He mentioned a witness, a David Smith, who was off to fight in Vietnam in the coming days or weeks, he said he saw the children getting into a high class car.
There is no way to corroborate his testimony because David passed away a few months ago, but the journo has all of his paperwork.
But that is a rabbit warren, I for one, believe David was groomed, fed information and agreed with it.
I can't say much in here but David's testimony leaves a lot to be desired!

 

[GreyCrow]

I have never heard of the Uncle living in Adelaide and driving taxis at that time, I only heard he lived in Tasmania and was driving taxis there.

And the news story about the elderly lady sitting watching the kids playing I would question that. It was posted by Greycrow..
Going by my 3 older brothers the oval that day was jam packed, as was the beach. They can't even remember if the sprinklers were on because there was so many picnicing families

It was 101f according to the paper the next day

ie 38.3c

 

[Belushi Brassiere]

So the children's remains would be skeletonised within days?

 

[DropBearess]

The trainees are considered more like one of their pals, so the kids treat the student teacher differently than the class teacher..
Generally the kids would address them by their first name, as opposed to MR Smith etc. Upon graduating the new teacher was often posted to a country school, so in-fact he could actually hide out there for a few years.
Who ever it was, is near or over eighty by now. He could be deceased. The BC abduction was probably his first offending and he's likely offended with obviously different MO's in later years. The crime was committed in an era before profiling, so I sometimes wonder what a modern day profile would look like.

I think he would be mid 70s now.

 

[johnymac1]

I think he would be mid 70s now.

yeah your right, mid to late 70s.
with killers, police often suggest the offenders were abused as kids, often by one or both parents.
But the school system in that era was fairly brutal too! (50s-60s), either way the BC abductor was fairly messed up

 

[NBates]

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[Deni]

So the children's remains would be skeletonised within days?

Depending on who's story you believe they may not have been, you have to separate the wheat from the chaff with all the witness' falling out of the trees lately..

 

[johnymac1]

I totally agree with your theory that a student teacher took the Beaumont children. This has been my theory for many years.

i dont think the police would have considered this theory. A lot of the time they chased down hoaxes in the past

 

[Deni]

This is a curiosity question.
We are all probably familiar with the Andrew McIntyre story re the beaumonts with Max, Munro etc.
My question is when people think Andrew first started telling his story? Perhaps the details of what the original story was?

The official version is Ruth aka Mycroft came out first, Andrew followed then Rachel grabbed hold of their coat tails and made up
her own version of evil Max..

But I have since heard on the grapevine that Andrew may have come out years earlier, i'm not sure when he stood at the foot of his fathers bed with a shot gun aimed at him, but maybe it was after that. Ivé seen the court document of Max trying to get an injunction? out on Andrew because of what he did.
So wouldn't Andrew like to sling some mud at Max after that, what better way than to make him a serial killer, which is what he's done.
Between Andrew and Rachel they have made Max the biggest serial killer in Australia of all time!!

 

[Quadzilla]

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[Bits]

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[Likeamystery]

Hi, I'm new to this thread, and have something to add which I'm sure you've all discussed beforehand.

It's been mentioned that the three Beaumont children were seen at the beach playing with a tall man with blonde hair. I always wondered why Derek Percy was suspected of those murders because he had dark hair.

Apparently a friend of Percy's with the surname Anderson hadn't seen Percy for a while and met up with him in June 1969, and he'd bleached his hair.

Their friendship continued through the rest of the decade; on meeting Percy in June 1969, Mr Anderson thought his friend had aged about 10 years and noticed he had bleached his hair.

Friend tells of attempt to find out what made Percy tick (smh.com.au)

 

[anquer]

This is a curiosity question.
We are all probably familiar with the Andrew McIntyre story re the beaumonts with Max, Munro etc.
My question is when people think Andrew first started telling his story? Perhaps the details of what the original story was?

Slippery slope.

 

[Macka_321]

The official version is Ruth aka Mycroft came out first, Andrew followed then Rachel grabbed hold of their coat tails and made up
her own version of evil Max..

But I have since heard on the grapevine that Andrew may have come out years earlier, i'm not sure when he stood at the foot of his fathers bed with a shot gun aimed at him, but maybe it was after that. Ivé seen the court document of Max trying to get an injunction? out on Andrew because of what he did.
So wouldn't Andrew like to sling some mud at Max after that, what better way than to make him a serial killer, which is what he's done.
Between Andrew and Rachel they have made Max the biggest serial killer in Australia of all time!!

Have had enough of the rubbish they have come out with show evidence or shut up. It’s good the media don’t give them any attention because they know like most people that there claims lack credibility.

 

[Belushi Brassiere]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who has pointed out that Jane and Arnna would be far from "young and beautiful" within mere HOURS of their deaths. putrid, bloated, and swiftly decomposing is more accurate.

 

[Deni]

Have had enough of the rubbish they have come out with show evidence or shut up. It’s good the media don’t give them any attention because they know like most people that there claims lack credibility.

It made me laugh, the last time Munro was in court Andrew spoke to the media pack outside after the sentencing, but the second he started on about his father and Munro the media scattered, but one of his crew kept filming him on their phone going on about how Max did this and that, then he put it on his Facebook page making it look like the media was still filming...
They weren't interested LOL

 

[Macka_321]

It made me laugh, the last time Munro was in court Andrew spoke to the media pack outside after the sentencing, but the second he started on about his father and Munro the media scattered, but one of his crew kept filming him on their phone going on about how Max did this and that, then he put it on his Facebook page making it look like the media was still filming...
They weren't interested LOL

They weren’t interested because it lacks credibility. Media have looked into these claims believe it or not and they have come to the same conclusion the police have.

 

[Deni]

They weren’t interested because it lacks credibility. Media have looked into these claims believe it or not and they have come to the same conclusion the police have.

Ì know, that's what I was trying to say in a round a bout way, they don't care for anything the McIntryers say.
They haven't for a long time, same goes with Fiona Barnett, they run when they see her LOL

 

[Deni]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who has pointed out that Jane and Arnna would be far from "young and beautiful" within mere HOURS of their deaths. putrid, bloated, and swiftly decomposing is more accurate.

Ivé been saying this same thing for a while now. The original story was from Ruth, her and Andrew said the children were brought to their house in the boot of a car. Even if they had only been in the boot for a little while decomp would have already started in that heat, their faces certainly wouldn't look like sleeping children.
Then you had senario 2, a new witness has given several different versions.
#1 He walked into the house and saw the children and the men having a little tea party in the kitchen.
#2 He walked into his room and saw the children sitting on the bed, he looked into one of their eyes.
#3 He walked into his bedroom and saw Munro stabbing Jane to death with a pair of shears.
#4 He was drugged and left to die, but one of the men rang the police and asked them to come out and save him. Two police woman arrived, cleaned him up some, checked the rest of the house for other people then took him into the station, made sure he was ok then took him to his mother. He also said that the children were left in the garage overnight before being moved the next day, now how did he check the garage before the police woman got there while he was drugged and had passed out?
#5, the witness has said that he ran across the road to a park and hid there until the men had left, he then snuck back and saw the three bodies wrapped in plastic in the garage.

So if any of 1 - 5 happened, Ruths original story couldn't have happened the way she has always said. That they came to her house on that actual day, Australia Day 1966. An admin of the old Beaumont groups offered up that Ruth must have got her dates wrong, but if that was so, those bodies, maybe being wrapped in plastic, maybe not, it wouldn't matter in those conditions, as horrific as it sounds, they would have been unrecognisable as human, decomp would have set in big time...
In saying all of that, and in my humble opinion, none of them happened that way, am I calling them ALL liars, yes I am, yet they have this fan squad who are dedicated to them. But if I can change just one of their minds, and they pass it down the line, then i'll be happy and the real story might surface!!