Opinion The 'Carlton related stuff that doesn't need it's own thread' thread Part 2

[Cripptonite]

Did you JUST meet me??? Smartarse is my default position.

Ok. You want me to be serious? Bolton was given a brief, “develop a team of young players. Persist with the kids, even when they’re struggling”. Everyone was ok with some short term pain, until the short term pain came. He was doing his job when he got sacked. And yet he exited with all the class you’d expect from an individual of his quality.

Enter, Teague. Smug, and arrogant. Not once acknowledged the work Bolton did. Not once did he express some kind of compassion for his mate. It was “I” this, “I” that. Me, me, fu**en me! But ok, you don’t have to be benevolent to be a good coach.
But his brief was different, it was “win games”. And sure we’ve somewhat advanced in that area, but the inconsistency, the inability to play four quarters of football week in week out, is on him. Nowhere near good enough.

Bolton did his job and he was fired for it. Teague is now showing that he can’t do his.

With all due respect Bolton was the worst coach in our history. We won an average of three or four games per season under his reign. We lost games that were pathetic 100 point beltings which were over after 5 minutes into the first quarter. He did not do his job to a satisfactory level. His job was not to persist with kids it was to improve the footy club and set us up for sustained success which he was not doing.

Teague has turned the club around from 3 wins from 37 games to go at 10-10 after 20 games. And after the first bad loss (not even that bad compared to an average game under Bolton) you pile in on him. This after being devoted to Bolton taking us nowhere for years.

Teague will be our next premiership coach and Cripps our next premiership captain. If we had stuck with Bolts, Matt Rowell would be playing for the Crows, Cripps would probably be taking up free agency offers and any good players on the market (Papley/Martin/Shiel etc) would not even consider coming to Carlton. We were and would continue to be the laughing stock of the competition. We lost a generation of supporters and I was losing my passion and hope in my club along with many other fans. It simply could not continue.

Yes Teague is playing some experienced players, but we need our kids to learn off them and challenge for spots. Gifting youth games leads to failure and stagnated growth via sucking away all of their confidence (see LOB Dow SPS etc).

Also why should Teague acknowledge Bolton’s failures? The whole club needs to move on not dwell on the past. He is not all about me, not sure how he could give anyone that impression. At least give him a chance to respond rather than kick him at the first opportunity. Sounds like you gave Bolton more credits than Teague for some reason.

Jump on the Teague train, there is no point being bitter about changes that were made in the past. He is taking us places and last night was our first obstacle. We will learn from it and grow. Go Blues!

 

[blue healer]

I’ve forwarded my CV and qualifications. I hope to hear back from them soon.

Pretty sure you wouldn't be able to work with Teague.

 

[TheCoach16]

With all due respect Bolton was the worst coach in our history. We won an average of three or four games per season under his reign. We lost games that were pathetic 100 point beltings which were over after 5 minutes into the first quarter. He did not do his job to a satisfactory level. His job was not to persist with kids it was to improve the footy club and set us up for sustained success which he was not doing.

Teague has turned the club around from 3 wins from 37 games to go at 10-10 after 20 games. And after the first bad loss (not even that bad compared to an average game under Bolton) you pile in on him. This after being devoted to Bolton taking us nowhere for years.

Teague will be our next premiership coach and Cripps our next premiership captain. If we had stuck with Bolts, Matt Rowell would be playing for the Crows, Cripps would probably be taking up free agency offers and any good players on the market (Papley/Martin/Shiel etc) would not even consider coming to Carlton. We were and would continue to be the laughing stock of the competition. We lost a generation of supporters and I was losing my passion and hope in my club along with many other fans. It simply could not continue.

Yes Teague is playing some experienced players, but we need our kids to learn off them and challenge for spots. Gifting youth games leads to failure and stagnated growth via sucking away all of their confidence (see LOB Dow SPS etc).

Also why should Teague acknowledge Bolton’s failures? The whole club needs to move on not dwell on the past. He is not all about me, not sure how he could give anyone that impression. At least give him a chance to respond rather than kick him at the first opportunity. Sounds like you gave Bolton more credits than Teague for some reason.

Jump on the Teague train, there is no point being bitter about changes that were made in the past. He is taking us places and last night was our first obstacle. We will learn from it and grow. Go Blues!

With all due respect, when you begin with “with all due respect”, I switch off because I know you’re about to be disrespectful.

 

[Cripptonite]

With all due respect, when you begin with “with all due respect”, I switch off because I know you’re about to be disrespectful.

Seems like you are quite selective in your analysis and the way you support. That’s fine and good luck with that approach.

I just felt Teague needed some support on here considering how well he has done to transform our club over twelve months and how unsubstantiated your criticism is.

 

[Curnivore]

Did you JUST meet me??? Smartarse is my default position.

Ok. You want me to be serious? Bolton was given a brief, “develop a team of young players. Persist with the kids, even when they’re struggling”. Everyone was ok with some short term pain, until the short term pain came. He was doing his job when he got sacked. And yet he exited with all the class you’d expect from an individual of his quality.

Enter, Teague. Smug, and arrogant. Not once acknowledged the work Bolton did. Not once did he express some kind of compassion for his mate. It was “I” this, “I” that. Me, me, fu**en me! But ok, you don’t have to be benevolent to be a good coach.
But his brief was different, it was “win games”. And sure we’ve somewhat advanced in that area, but the inconsistency, the inability to play four quarters of football week in week out, is on him. Nowhere near good enough.

Bolton did his job and he was fired for it. Teague is now showing that he can’t do his.

I'm not commenting on your comments on Teague because I have nothing but an opinion; but on Bolton you are forgetting some very important things...
A) He couldn't coach.
'He just doesn't see things that coaches should see. Jones was jumping around like a madman, constantly going to ground and at the half time break he starts going on about how good Jones is playing. Simpson just looks at me and shakes his head.' - Carlton player after our preseason game against Hawthorn last year.

'He can't coach. He's a glorified team bonding camp counsellor.' Ex Carlton coach that worked with him.
B) If he got fired because he kept playing kids instead of building a winning culture then he obviously didn't have the leadership skills needed to take us to the next level.
Say what you want about Brad Scott but the first thing he did when he got the top job at the Roos was dismantle the Shinboners club and got more control on who he was surrounded by.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

In my opinion, Bolton is a developer of people rather than a strong, tactical football coach. He worked really hard to rebuild a positive team culture after Mick got sacked, and turned things around from "me me me" to "team first". I can see how the constant soundbites and platitudes would have become tiring and frustrating for the players and my understanding is that he became inflexible and unwilling to change tack.

 

[HARKER]

With all due respect, when you begin with “with all due respect”, I switch off because I know you’re about to be disrespectful.

I couldn't read the rest of that post because it started off 'with all due respect'

Any chance you can run that through the filter and post again?

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

With all due respect Bolton was the worst coach in our history. We won an average of three or four games per season under his reign. We lost games that were pathetic 100 point beltings which were over after 5 minutes into the first quarter. He did not do his job to a satisfactory level. His job was not to persist with kids it was to improve the footy club and set us up for sustained success which he was not doing.

Teague has turned the club around from 3 wins from 37 games to go at 10-10 after 20 games. And after the first bad loss (not even that bad compared to an average game under Bolton) you pile in on him. This after being devoted to Bolton taking us nowhere for years.

Teague will be our next premiership coach and Cripps our next premiership captain. If we had stuck with Bolts, Matt Rowell would be playing for the Crows, Cripps would probably be taking up free agency offers and any good players on the market (Papley/Martin/Shiel etc) would not even consider coming to Carlton. We were and would continue to be the laughing stock of the competition. We lost a generation of supporters and I was losing my passion and hope in my club along with many other fans. It simply could not continue.

Yes Teague is playing some experienced players, but we need our kids to learn off them and challenge for spots. Gifting youth games leads to failure and stagnated growth via sucking away all of their confidence (see LOB Dow SPS etc).

Also why should Teague acknowledge Bolton’s failures? The whole club needs to move on not dwell on the past. He is not all about me, not sure how he could give anyone that impression. At least give him a chance to respond rather than kick him at the first opportunity. Sounds like you gave Bolton more credits than Teague for some reason.

Jump on the Teague train, there is no point being bitter about changes that were made in the past. He is taking us places and last night was our first obstacle. We will learn from it and grow. Go Blues!

Malthouse for my money was the worst.

Least Bolton left us with a very good and promising young list to work with, Malthouse left the club and list as a festering carcass.

And he instilled a new era of professionalism and culture and player behaviour and standards (when was the last time we had a player make the press for an field drunken shenanigans ?)

Look we didn't get the wins or results we wanted under Brendon Bolton, but in my heart of hearts, he sacrificed his long term coaching career in order to instill values and discipline into our playing environment that arguably has not been there since Parko was coach.

And for that, he deserves our warmest thanks.

 

[Cripptonite]

Malthouse for my money was the worst.

Least Bolton left us with a very good and promising young list to work with, Malthouse left the club and list as a festering carcass.

And he instilled a new era of professionalism and culture and player behaviour and standards (when was the last time we had a player make the press for an field drunken shenanigans ?)

Look we didn't get the wins or results we wanted under Brendon Bolton, but in my heart of hearts, he sacrificed his long term coaching career in order to instill values and discipline into our playing environment that arguably has not been there since Parko was coach.

And for that, he deserves our warmest thanks.

Completely respect that opinion and no doubt Malthouse was a bad move. I give him some slack for two reasons:

1) List management decisions made prior to Malthouse in my opinion were the main reason Malthouse was left with a ticking time bomb. In saying that, no doubt Mick worsened the situation.

2) Mick is responsible for my greatest football memory, that Final win against Richmond (and the comeback against Port the previous week). Weirdly if we think about it, Mick won the same amount of finals as Ratts did in half the tenure. Not having a crack at Ratts here but it’s a fact nonetheless.

I’m thankful for Bolton’s efforts in his time at Carlton, but the point I was trying to make in my previous post was that his sacking was inevitable and that Teague taking over was absolutely the right choice.

 

[Blue Pulse]

I agree. Indigenous athletes would make amazing round ball players but Sam Kerr isn’t indigenous.

Apologies, should fact check before I post.

 

[BlueAbroad]

 

[OldBlueFan]

2) Mick is responsible for my greatest football memory, that Final win against Richmond (and the comeback against Port the previous week). Weirdly if we think about it, Mick won the same amount of finals as Ratts did in half the tenure. Not having a crack at Ratts here but it’s a fact nonetheless.

Factual yes, but not really a fair unit of measure when you compare the list that Ratts inherited versus the list that he passed on to Mick.

A better comparison would be the trajectories that each of them had the club on. With Ratt's it was up and then plateaued, with Mick it was almost all down ...

 

[Jimmae]

Charlie is a big loss. Marchy would be handy too.

All the others are replaceable so I don't think the injury toll is that bad. The number make it look worse than it really is.

Matty Kreuzer called. You probably won't hear him, but he's staring with a fierce intensity.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Matty Kreuzer called. You probably won't hear him, but he's staring with a fierce intensity.

Pittonet has covered his absence well. The same goes for Williamson with Newman.

 

[windows1]

Pittonet has covered his absence well. The same goes for Williamson with Newman.

Bet you don’t say this on a Sunday night...:

 

[Eiffel 65]

Bet you don’t say this on a Sunday night...:

One round doesn't change anything.

 

[norway blue]

Bet you don’t say this on a Sunday night...:

Hope Pitt halves it and kicks two goals .


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[Jimmae]

Pittonet has covered his absence well. The same goes for Williamson with Newman.

Disagree on Pittonet's total output, and Newman was always keeping a spot warm for Williamson IMO.

Understand your viewpoint though.

 

[Pablito]

Disagree on Pittonet's total output, and Newman was always keeping a spot warm for Williamson IMO.

Understand your viewpoint though.

Newman is a long term player. Replacing Simmo/SPS in the backline.
Also while he's been good Pitto has certainly not cemented his spot.

 

[Pablito]

Good find.

Essentially, it demonstrates that we concede too many inside 50's a game. Our defenders defend pretty well - hence our ranking at sixth place on the opposition score per inside 50 percentage ladder - but we simply let them in too often.

We play a territory game, so I suppose it shouldn't be a surprise what happens when we lose it.

Exactly right, so does it come down to personnel in the middle or gameplan? Or defensive effort?

 

[Osc1]

Exactly right, so does it come down to personnel in the middle or gameplan? Or defensive effort?

Inexperienced midfield. As a junior your taught to find the pill not necessarily defend space and delay the ball. It’s gonna take time. It’s also why players like Newnes won’t get dropped. They know where to position themselves.

 

[Gavstar]

Exactly right, so does it come down to personnel in the middle or gameplan? Or defensive effort?

Slobbo certainly had a go a Murphs defensive efforts (tackle numbers)

 

[Manhattanite]

I agree. Indigenous athletes would make amazing round ball players but Sam Kerr isn’t indigenous.

But interestingly she does have the same gene pool - many aboriginals came from india about 150 generations ago whereas Sam Kerrs grandmother is/was indian.


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[Blue Pulse]

In my opinion, Bolton is a developer of people rather than a strong, tactical football coach. He worked really hard to rebuild a positive team culture after Mick got sacked, and turned things around from "me me me" to "team first". I can see how the constant soundbites and platitudes would have become tiring and frustrating for the players and my understanding is that he became inflexible and unwilling to change tack.

Agree, he was what we needed at the time. We stripped back our list and loaded it with youth, we weren't going to win many games with what we had, so a high priced coached would have achieved a win loss ratio not much different. The list as of last year, should be taking the next step, whether DT is the man or not, time will tell. There is still a lot of work to do, with the list and tactically on game day as well as our development which I feel we have really struggled with

 

[Sector 7G]

Pittonet has covered his absence well. The same goes for Williamson with Newman.

The difference between Pitts good games (Gawn, Goldstein and English) and his bad(Marshall, Ladhams and Ceglar) has been unacceptable and unless he can narrow the margin he doesn't have a future as our No1 ruck. A key factor in our losses.