Opinion The 'Carlton related stuff that doesn't need it's own thread' thread Part 2

[95blues]

While its way too early re:Kemp SOS had a weakness in taking injury prone players in the hope they'd come good.

- Marchbank
- Pickett
- McGovern
- Martin
- Garrett
- Setterfield

While I understand some of these were moonshots who cost peanuts I would hestitate to see any of these as a success.

I would not have drafted Kemp after an ACL.

Yeah personal opinion only, but I'd never draft after an ACL.

A childhood friend of mine was drafted by the lions and had 3 or 4 of them back to back. Even after the 1st was healed he said it never felt right. Caused him ankle problems as well surprisingly.

 

[Lace_Out]

There are plenty of success stories too.

Shaun Burgoyne

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Shaun Burgoyne

Age

43

Ht

186cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.0

4star

K

9.9

4star

HB

8.1

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

3.8

5star

MG

162.7

3star

D

10.0

3star

K

5.6

2star

HB

4.4

3star

M

1.7

2star

T

2.6

4star

MG

162.7

3star

D

6.2

2star

K

3.2

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

1.2

2star

T

1.6

4star

the pick of the bunch, has had more than reasonable return from one.

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[Gavstar]

There are plenty of success stories too.

Shaun Burgoyne the pick of the bunch, has had more than reasonable return from one.

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True but it's like taking a 50:50 chance on a draft pick which is already a 50:50 chance.

In terms of injury Michael Owen (Liverpool & England) admitted he was never the same player after a hamstring tear nevermind something that effects the.structure of knee.

I've got positivity about Setterfield if he gets through this year but as a mid not a winger.

 

[BigBreakfast]

Understood.

FYI though - Charlie had knee concerns during under 18s. The Alcoholic stuff added to it.

So.. Charlie was/is an alcoholic now? Give me a spell.

 

[forever blue 1]

King makes some interesting points, many of which would seem valid

What does confuse me, as with much of the media, 2 games ago when the Dockers played us, he labelled their effort poor despite a similar number of injuries to us

2 week later he gives them a glowing endorsement

Media have always been in the now

You’re only as good as your last game period in this competition. Remember
Worst case scenario is that the is a max of a 10 percent differential each year no matter who you compare with. So it’s all pretty relative.
you either trade in, drop dead wood, I r play youth that have potential.
mall this young side old side bs is exactly that. Bs
Either get your management team right amd the recruiters and coaches etcetera or heads should roll after x years.
mid anyone isn’t great at their job, people get the sack. Reality check.

 

[Arr0w]

True but it's like taking a 50:50 chance on a draft pick which is already a 50:50 chance.

In terms of injury Michael Owen (Liverpool & England) admitted he was never the same player after a hamstring tear nevermind something that effects the.structure of knee.

I've got positivity about Setterfield if he gets through this year but as a mid not a winger.

Liked for the Setters comment.

ACLs are very different for all players

Libba has had 2, Jacovich, NICNAT 2, Walker all went on to have decent careers after an ACL

 

[Arr0w]

You’re only as good as your last game period in this competition. Remember
Worst case scenario is that the is a max of a 10 percent differential each year no matter who you compare with. So it’s all pretty relative.
you either trade in, drop dead wood, I r play youth that have potential.
mall this young side old side bs is exactly that. Bs
Either get your management team right amd the recruiters and coaches etcetera or heads should roll after x years.
mid anyone isn’t great at their job, people get the sack. Reality check.

Struggling to understand this

 

[forever blue 1]

Struggling to understand this

Probably a good thing.

 

[norway blue]

Skinny Lappin has a certain timbre in his voice that I could listen to all day . Assistant material ?


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[forever blue 1]

True but it's like taking a 50:50 chance on a draft pick which is already a 50:50 chance.

In terms of injury Michael Owen (Liverpool & England) admitted he was never the same player after a hamstring tear nevermind something that effects the.structure of knee.

I've got positivity about Setterfield if he gets through this year but as a mid not a winger.

There is no excuse these days. Nothing is a given but it’s more 70/30
The recruiters know everything now.

Again if you have a good team they can see past the crap and know what type of player they want.

 

[Percy2257]

I don’t know whether this the right thread but I’m watching On The Couch and Garry Lyon‘s comments about Murphy and Carlton were stirring. Get Garry down to talk to the players. He is passionate but smart and experienced. I wonder why he never coached?

 

[95blues]

So.. Charlie was/is an alcoholic now? Give me a spell.

Read on champ.

 

[BigBreakfast]

Read on champ.

Read on where? You stated the alcoholic stuff came later. Unless you edited it...

 

[jj1978]

This week hope the coaches aren’t babying the boys and let the outside world tell them how it is.

 

[Arr0w]

This week hope the coaches aren’t babying the boys and let the outside world tell them how it is.

Have they confiscated their media devices?

 

[Own The Future]

This should get the masses going! Mark is a proud Blues man and he expects better.

Won’t matter.
Not in the inner sanctum so his words won’t even be read or paid attention to.
I’m sure the club thinks they’re on the right track and aging veterans like Maclure are sour and living in the past.

 

[thylacine60]

Skinny Lappin has a certain timbre in his voice that I could listen to all day . Assistant material ?


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because of his voice? WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND HERE???????

 

[Arr0w]

I guess that's that then.

Whether it's a calculated risk or not... the risk taker is still responsible.

If Kemp doesn't reach his potential it's an absolute failure. He dropped in the draft for one reason - injuries, so several other teams "calculated" that the risk wasn't worth it.

Burton and Lever also drifted due to severe injuries, that's common

Some recruiters/clubs get so caught with what a player can add in the now, rather than the possible upside, even with injury

 

[norway blue]

His message dog. He’s been in the system..


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[95blues]

Burton and Lever also drifted due to severe injuries, that's common

Some recruiters/clubs get so caught with what a player can add in the now, rather than the possible upside, even with injury

I think upside recruiting gets you in trouble. Give me a Kane Lambert, Michael Gibbons or Dayne Zorko any day. All guys that were ignored for years due to perceived lack of "upside".

Easy in hindsight I guess, but I also have a preference for pure footballers.

 

[Judd1400]

I think upside recruiting gets you in trouble. Give me a Kane Lambert, Michael Gibbons or Dayne Zorko any day. All guys that were ignored for years due to perceived lack of "upside".

Easy in hindsight I guess, but I also have a preference for pure footballers.

Spot on that article the old guys are not good enough.We need to go youth and guys to play in their best positions.



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[fnm_just a man]

because carlton's performances have been such a huge secret the past 20 years..........

Oh Thy .. why you do this?

I’m talking more specifically about this year and the lack of identity/brand, the confusion about where we’re at and where we’re going.. the way this is reflected in selections and line-ups... the ‘road to nowhere’... you know - the great David Byrne or some bs

 

[thylacine60]

what part of that list isn't public one way or the other?

 

[1981]

We have been cheap for 20 years.

 

[DangerousD]

Murphy into the midfield?

I took it as more a query on why he’s not there already, as in, if Dow, Setters, Stocker, SPS, Kemp, Kennedy aren’t in there, then why has he been pushed out?