Opinion The 'Carlton related stuff that doesn't need it's own thread' thread Part 2

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

That is Bullying in the workplace, ya cannot do that in 2020..

What about in 2021?

 

[ETET]

Wait so when SPS butchers the ball by foot it's not because of a deficiency in skills its because he's out of position?

He'll kick much better in another position?

Dow's game structure? What kind of a fanciful excuse is that?

The players you've named are limited in ability is the issue, that's why they aren't performing to higher standards.

In general I find SPS is good by foot and especially when compared to many of his team mates.

SPS kicks 15/20 feet nearly every time. I can’t believe each time he comes off the coach goes “Sam, can you please kick longer”....and Sam just ignores him every single week. The only conclusion i can draw is that this is what the coaches want and are happy with it.

I think Sam is likely told to find a mark every time he gets the ball, short safe kicks please.

I can’t blame Sam for likely doing what he is told to do. Look at the coaching.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Hello all, long time reader first time poster.

I made an account for all the people responding to this so that I could point out that they should bone up on what "egalite" means. They will probably realise this person is taking the piss with this post.

Pretty sure those responding are aware. Weird thing to join up and respond to.
I guess your contributions can only go up from here.

 

[myblueroan]

Pretty sure those responding are aware. Weird thing to join up and respond to.
I guess your contributions can only go up from here.

If you read that avatar backwards it says "pig's arse".

 

[Bostonian]

In general I find SPS is good by foot and especially when compared to many of his team mates.

SPS kicks 15/20 feet nearly every time. I can’t believe each time he comes off the coach goes “Sam, can you please kick longer”....and Sam just ignores him every single week. The only conclusion i can draw is that this is what the coaches want and are happy with it.

I think Sam is likely told to find a mark every time he gets the ball, short safe kicks please.

I can’t blame Sam for likely doing what he is told to do. Look at the coaching.

I find it hard to believe it's a coaches instruction when no other player has this trait as part of their game plan.

 

[norway blue]

I find it hard to believe it's a coaches instruction when no other player has this trait as part of their game plan.

His go is to retain possession. Which in a way is fair enough but he ain’t no attacking half back. Free him up the ground .Or pinpoint forward through the middle Sam .


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[Arr0w]

If every player hit targets as often as SPS, we would be far more effective as a side

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

For the SPS debate you can look to the article on the AFL page uploaded about Dusty today for his 250th. Richmond coaching staff identified that Dusty was finding almost 15% of his disposals in the back half and correlated those disposals to having minimal impact on games. They then made a bold call to play him nearly entirely in the forward half of the ground and he's been the best player in the comp ever since. SPS isn't Dusty but a positional shift can make a huge difference to a players impact on games. Clearly half back is not getting the best out of him so a change should be made.

 

[ETET]

I find it hard to believe it's a coaches instruction when no other player has this trait as part of their game plan.

That is why is he playing there. No one else can be trusted to find a mark by foot when under pressure. Last year the coaches mentioned it as his strength in the position.

We really have lost the plot if SPS has being actively doing the opposite of what the coaches want yet plays every single game

 

[Blue Reaper]

you can't coach focused aggression, you can't coach love for the jumper, you can't coach win at all costs mentality, you can't coach never give up ruthlessness, all these things must be internally motivated and if they require continual external stimulation then I'm afraid the group we have is the wrong group

Entirely agree. You have it or you don’t.

I suppose the question is are we onboarding an entire cohort of players without these qualities or have we anesthetized this out of the playing group?

 

[KnobHead]

Very frustrated that SPS does so many short kicks. We’d be winning every game if every player kicked long every time.


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[The Old Dark Navy's]

For the SPS debate you can look to the article on the AFL page uploaded about Dusty today for his 250th. Richmond coaching staff identified that Dusty was finding almost 15% of his disposals in the back half and correlated those disposals to having minimal impact on games. They then made a bold call to play him nearly entirely in the forward half of the ground and he's been the best player in the comp ever since. SPS isn't Dusty but a positional shift can make a huge difference to a players impact on games. Clearly half back is not getting the best out of him so a change should be made.

That's interesting.

It makes sense when you think about it. We talk about midfielders needing to be two way runners and that is true to an extent. However, if players make themselves dangerous, their opponent is not going to set off to potentially be part of an attacking play, if it means they are leaving their opponent alone up forward.

We can have attacking mids and defensive mids but we don't have the players that the opposition are scared to leave alone in case of turnover. They back their own systems to take advantage of the extra man.

Ideally we'd want defensive mids to go back into defence to help out and attacking mids to go forward to provide an option. This would limit running and players blowing up at the end of quarters. It's not always that easy though.

 

[Bostonian]

That is why is he playing there. No one else can be trusted to find a mark by foot when under pressure. Last year the coaches mentioned it as his strength in the position.

We really have lost the plot if SPS has being actively doing the opposite of what the coaches want yet plays every single game

He can't find people by foot under pressure that well either.

 

[Arr0w]

Very frustrated that SPS does so many short kicks. We’d be winning every game if every player kicked long every time.


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We are already doing that once we break the centre line, kicking long to the advantage of the opposition

Dockers game, we lowered our eyes looking for targets

 

[Arr0w]

He can't find people by foot under pressure that well either.

Rubbish

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Rubbish

Expanding on why it is rubbish would be a good thing though.

 

[Bobmonkey]

Clearly half back is not getting the best out of him so a change should be made.

I mean, just look at his 2019 performance v the Dogs. 35 deadly possessions feeding off Cripps, he was dynamic. How can the coaching panel look at that type of performance and think, I know we’re light on for quality midfielders, but let’s put one of our promising midfielders into defense where he’s never played.

Its insane to me that Williams plays midfield minutes when hes best used off the back half, while SPS is used off the back half when he’s best used through the middle.

Carlton don’t have the luxury of running SPS through the backline ala Daniels for the Dogs, they don’t have the midfield depth to cover the hit they take to defense with a subpar defender, and the flow on hit to midfield depth.

And that’s just one player, there are multiple players being played out of position.
Teague has said numerous times that he wants players to play to their strengths, well, we’re not seeing it, but maybe putting people in the right place would be a good bloody start.

 

[norway blue]

I’m feeling Sps will be moved centre /forward soon . He’s done his apprenticeship . Just my opinion.


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[The Old Dark Navy's]

I’m feeling Sps will be moved centre /forward soon . He’s done his apprenticeship . Just my opinion.


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When did we move Bryce Gibbs into the midfield instead of making his pinch hit at CHB?

 

[Arr0w]

Expanding on why it is rubbish would be a good thing though.

Do I really need to highlight the obvious

Ranked 4th overall, 77% by foot

Behind Doc 77%, Walsh 70%, Plow 81%, who generally kick beyond 40 and if it's to a 50/50 contest, it registers an effective disposal

 

[skadoosh]

Has anyone else watched the Purefooty segment from David King and Daniel Hoyne?
Pretty interesting stuff from 20 mins onwards about us, and how things are not as bad as they seem. Will try to paraphrase the main points:
Essentially, the expected result based on an average footy game based on shots taken is that we should have won by 8 points.
We had 27 forward-half intercepts. Port had 21. The return from those for us was 1 goal 7 behinds. Port's was 4 goals 1 behind.
D50 to F50 transition - coast to coast. Port had 3 scores - 3 goals. We had 3 scores from our chains - for 1 goal.
Kicking efficiency in forward half of the ground. Port 63%. Us 47%.
Our system generated very similar numbers to Port. Difference is Port took their chances, and we didn't (in terms of scoring goals).

 

[ETET]

He can't find people by foot under pressure that well either.

In 2020 he was Carlton’s third highest average disposal efficiency. Top 3.

Would have to be one of best dual sided kicks in the team.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Do I really need to highlight the obvious

Ranked 4th overall, 77% by foot

Behind Doc 77%, Walsh 70%, Plow 81%, who generally kick beyond 40 and if it's to a 50/50 contest, it registers an effective disposal

Yeah, you need to. Things that are obvious to you might not be to someone else.

Your stats kind of back it up and we can move forward all lovey dovey with each other.

 

[norway blue]

Fair point navy selection. Imagine Sam pinpointing to wings at worst or at best forward into leading players .


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[Bostonian]

In 2020 he was Carlton’s third highest average disposal efficiency. Top 3.

Would have to be one of best dual sided kicks in the team.

Stats are overrated when no context is present.

Too many times he needs a team mate to take a contested or under pressure mark to bail his disposal out.

That will show in stats as being efficient but in the game and to the eye his kicking isn't anything special.

Given how often we as a team turn the ball over through poor disposal even saying he's top 3 for efficiency doesn't really say much in a team with such average kicking skills.