The CHF problem...

[Kaladin Stormblessed]

Waite and Fev must play forward next year.

One of Kreuzer and Setanta as well. Setanta depending on how he finishes off this year and I still think Kreuzer's biggest strengths is his play around the ground and we shouldn't limit him to the forward 50 but wait and see on this one when Warnock returns.

Yarran, Betts, Garlett, Houlihan, Walker to raffle up the medium sized/small forward roles.

Doesn't look too half bad with Waite the big in.

 

[The Coach]

Waite and Fev must play forward next year.

One of Kreuzer and Setanta as well. Setanta depending on how he finishes off this year and I still think Kreuzer's biggest strengths is his play around the ground and we shouldn't limit him to the forward 50 but wait and see on this one when Warnock returns.

Yarran, Betts, Garlett, Houlihan, Walker to raffle up the medium sized/small forward roles.

Doesn't look too half bad with Waite the big in.

 

[Blue_Ninja]

Waite and Fev must play forward next year.

One of Kreuzer and Setanta as well. Setanta depending on how he finishes off this year and I still think Kreuzer's biggest strengths is his play around the ground and we shouldn't limit him to the forward 50 but wait and see on this one when Warnock returns.

Yarran, Betts, Garlett, Houlihan, Walker to raffle up the medium sized/small forward roles.

Doesn't look too half bad with Waite the big in.

These days CHFs don't really play the whole game in the F50, they move around a fair bit.....

 

[Jeremias]

I hope they bring in thornton and leave in Aussie this week and Thornton can play forward for a fair whack.

What?

If we are interested in developing our players with a view to the long term future that's exactly the opposite of what we should do.

Thornton is an incredibly important part of our defense and if we switch him forward it'll only be as an experiment and will not happen on a permanent basis beyond this season.

Austin on the other hand is far more suited to playing up forward than Thornton and has every chance of making it as a tall forward in the future.

Thornton will never make it as a forward nor should he be given the opportunity to.

 

[mickelboy182]

Don't worry, my sources say Goddard is coming to the Blues in 2010. We can play him at CHF.

I heard he used to barrack for the Blues too....

 

[The Coach]

What?

If we are interested in developing our players with a view to the long term future that's exactly the opposite of what we should do.

Thornton is an incredibly important part of our defense and if we switch him forward it'll only be as an experiment and will not happen on a permanent basis beyond this season.

Austin on the other hand is far more suited to playing up forward than Thornton and has every chance of making it as a tall forward in the future.

Thornton will never make it as a forward nor should he be given the opportunity to.

Jeremias or Jeremiah the bullfrog "He should not be given the opportunity to make it as a forward" - so if I told you that The Gods have tipped me off that he could make it up forward, you would say to me he must not be given the opportunity "He must stay in his rightful place".

A forward line is about structure and smarts - an older player like Thornton has more smarts than Austin at this point in their careers. As for structure - we have not had a forward structure - just a one man forward line. Don't you think that the opposition would realize that if they leave Thornton on his own - he will mark the ball. Straight away we are dividing their troops ..

I bet Freo are glad that Tarrant was given the opportunity to be a backman

Whatever. No, on second thoughts the whatever should be - you do whatever it takes to develop a winning structure. We have many backline options at present and very few forward ones - YOU DO EXPERIMENT in these circumstances

 

[Kaladin Stormblessed]

What?

If we are interested in developing our players with a view to the long term future that's exactly the opposite of what we should do.

Thornton is an incredibly important part of our defense and if we switch him forward it'll only be as an experiment and will not happen on a permanent basis beyond this season.

Austin on the other hand is far more suited to playing up forward than Thornton and has every chance of making it as a tall forward in the future.

Thornton will never make it as a forward nor should he be given the opportunity to.

Waite is a much better option than Austin at CHF.

Austin is a much better option than Waite at CHB.

Waite is a gun but he'll never be an accountable defender. Austin will be.

Austin can potentially develop into a good forward but with him in the backline along with Bower and Jamison we have a chance to set up our key positions in the backline for the next decade at least and we should grab that chance with both hands when it has presented itself.

There is also Kreuzer as cover up for the forward line but we have no youngsters coming through in the backline now.

 

[bbolt1]

Ziebell would be a quick fix for us at the moment. Remember Yarran and Gartlett 2+ years away from being very decent players for Carlton. Ziebell is a medium forward/midfielder.

Ziebell wouldnt be any good for any team atm
As he has a broken leg from couple weeks back agaist the crows

 

[Forrest Gimp]

Can't confirm this, but Naitanui was seen inside our dressing rooms at half time the year before he was drafted

...and Yarran was back home sitting with Nick Nat and Walters at the Swans WAFL game last weekend

 

[Silvagnis]

...and Yarran was back home sitting with Nick Nat and Walters at the Swans WAFL game last weekend

I guess this means NicNat and Yarran will be joining Freo.

 

[Forrest Gimp]

I guess this means NicNat and Yarran will be joining Freo.

I would commit suicide.

 

[JayTee]

Im not saying Thornton would solve it permently Im saying, I believe our backline is strong enough now with out Thornton to give him a go, we know hes an accurate kick and a good mark, so maybe give him a rest in the forward line and put Fev there, wouldnt hurt to give it a try.
I believe that Waite and Kreuzer have this problem solved...but until they can play there wouldnt hurt to give some others a shot, not to mention Waite is also one of our best defenders and kreuzer a top ruckman so they cant hold CHF as a permanent possy same goes for Thornton, Austin though hasnt quite found his key possy in which I believe the opportunity wouldnt hurt.

Also this talk of Goddard to Carlton, jizz in my pants may I say?

Fevola, Walker, Betts, Waite, Goddard, Kreuzer, Garlett, Yarran... Almost orgasmic ahah.

 

[Jeremias]

I bet Freo are glad that Tarrant was given the opportunity to be a backman

Oh come on.

Tarrant was given the opportunity to be a backman because as a forward he was becoming completely and utterly useless. That move saved his career.

Thornton and Tarrant aren't even comparable.

Not only is Thornton not struggling, but he has been good this season and continues to be one of our best defenders.

Maybe when Thornton's time is up as a defender, just like Tarrant's time was up as a forward, we can think about switching Thornton to a forward role.

If we did it before that time we'd be robbing Peter to pay Paul which is not what we should be doing.

Whatever. No, on second thoughts the whatever should be - you do whatever it takes to develop a winning structure. We have many backline options at present and very few forward ones - YOU DO EXPERIMENT in these circumstances

We shouldn't be experimenting for the sake of experimentation.

In a few years if we have multiple options up forward will you be calling for Fev to be moved to full back just for experimentation?

I doubt it.

Austin is a developing player and whilst I do think he will be very good, he is not there yet. It would be totally unproffessional to move Thornton out of defense just to accomodate development.

Development is important but team success should always come first. Austin is young and could turn into a dangerous swing man so I'd rather bring in Austin and play him forward than play him back and swing Thornton into the forward line.

We could just play both in defense anyway. Thornton, Austin, Bower and Jamison can all play in the same backline when 2 of them have shown they can rebound and provide run instead of playing a close-checking role.

Waite is a much better option than Austin at CHF.

Austin is a much better option than Waite at CHB.

Waite is a gun but he'll never be an accountable defender. Austin will be.

Austin can potentially develop into a good forward but with him in the backline along with Bower and Jamison we have a chance to set up our key positions in the backline for the next decade at least and we should grab that chance with both hands when it has presented itself.

There is also Kreuzer as cover up for the forward line but we have no youngsters coming through in the backline now.

That was my point

Austin should be a defender but we shouldn't limit his development if we think he can become a dangerous swing-man, much like Waite.

As I said above, bring Austin in by all means and play him down back. But Jamison, Bower, Thornton and Austin can all play in the same backline.

If we need to, we can move Austin up forward because he can mark the ball and kick a goal and develop into a forward.

No use trying to develop a 25 year old defender into a forward when he is performing well as one of our most important players in the back half of the field.

 

[TheKITC]

Thought this might help shed some light on the issue, this is directly from the horse's mouth in an interview with Ratts on the Carlton website.

How are the club's stocks in terms of bigger forwards who can develop around Fev?
You look at the models that are having success at the moment and you see (Cameron) Mooney at Geelong with (Tom) Hawkins and the occasional ruck down there when (Brad) Ottens is playing. Then you look at St Kilda with Kosi (Justin Koschitzke) and (Nick) Riewoldt and then occasionally they'll throw (Michael) Gardiner down there just to change the dynamics a little bit.

We think that when Robbie Warnock comes back that will really help us because (Matthew) Kreuzer can play a bit up forward or the two of them can split the ruck 50-50.

Where does (Shaun) Hampson sit in there? His speed and athleticism is just growing along with him as a player. Maybe in two to three years he might be one that actually could just play out of the square.
He's quicker than Brendan over 20 metres and, as you can see, his athleticism is amazing for a big fella. He can run and jump, but to get that consistent level of AFL performance is the challenge for him.

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/season2008/newsarticle/tabid/4311/newsid/79335/default.aspx

 

[The Coach]

Oh come on.

Tarrant was given the opportunity to be a backman because as a forward he was becoming completely and utterly useless. That move saved his career.

Thornton and Tarrant aren't even comparable.

Not only is Thornton not struggling, but he has been good this season and continues to be one of our best defenders.

Maybe when Thornton's time is up as a defender, just like Tarrant's time was up as a forward, we can think about switching Thornton to a forward role.

If we did it before that time we'd be robbing Peter to pay Paul which is not what we should be doing.



We shouldn't be experimenting for the sake of experimentation.

In a few years if we have multiple options up forward will you be calling for Fev to be moved to full back just for experimentation?

I doubt it.

Austin is a developing player and whilst I do think he will be very good, he is not there yet. It would be totally unproffessional to move Thornton out of defense just to accomodate development.

Development is important but team success should always come first. Austin is young and could turn into a dangerous swing man so I'd rather bring in Austin and play him forward than play him back and swing Thornton into the forward line.

We could just play both in defense anyway. Thornton, Austin, Bower and Jamison can all play in the same backline when 2 of them have shown they can rebound and provide run instead of playing a close-checking role.



That was my point

Austin should be a defender but we shouldn't limit his development if we think he can become a dangerous swing-man, much like Waite.

As I said above, bring Austin in by all means and play him down back. But Jamison, Bower, Thornton and Austin can all play in the same backline.

If we need to, we can move Austin up forward because he can mark the ball and kick a goal and develop into a forward.

No use trying to develop a 25 year old defender into a forward when he is performing well as one of our most important players in the back half of the field.

One thing you are right about - I should not have thrown in Tarrant as it gave you a chance to avoid the main point

In this and your previous post, you are basically saying that you do not move players who are in form to strengthen weaknesses (and hopefully improve the overall team performance)

I am trying to keep your reply a little shorter by giving a YES or NO option

 

[Team Mo']

Wait, so is AJ aboriginal or not?

 

[thylacine60]

Wait, so is AJ aboriginal or not?

Chinese mother, Jewish Inuit father. Pretty sure...

 

[Mister Carlton]

Chinese mother, Jewish Inuit father. Pretty sure...

GOLD!

 

[Faz 2000]

I'd like to see the Blues bring someone like Optimus Prime in to play CHF. Good presence, big body, could split packs like nobody else on the list. Could be a good move.

 

[Blueboys7]

I'd like to see the Blues bring someone like Optimus Prime in to play CHF. Good presence, big body, could split packs like nobody else on the list. Could be a good move.

We would have a second thought before drafting him because of the 'go home' factor, i mean he does live a fair distance from planet earth.

He is also more of an athlete rather than a pure footballer. If he comes cheaply id be tempted.