Review The Controlled how do we fix it thread

[aneale]

Rendell can't be bagged, you could criticize him for going tall, but you need to do that every now and again or you end like Collingwood a few years back. He picks talented kids, you can see why everyone who has been drafted by him has been.

My concern is I get the feeling they make them all sit a psych test at draft camp interviews. I can't see us ever drafting a Jordan Lewis type with Craig at the helm with his 'the right type of person not footballer, but person to the Club' mentality. There doesn't seem to be any ingrained hardness to them. Maric looks to be the only one with any fire, Danger is hard at the ball but he doesn't have the same mix of courage and fire that someone like a Selwood has. If you put the lot of them in the ring with Jono Brown none of them would last 3 mins. And thats not necessarily a criticism, because you need those type of players, but you can't have 42 of them, or 41 as it would seem.

 

[afc1991]

Just on Petrenko has anyone noticed that he has been pinged holding the ball in every single game he's played?

Not a knock really, alot are harsh, when hes on the bottom of a pack trying to make the play, gets ridden and pinged. Would be some sort of record I think.

 

[amer]

Petrenko is being played out of position and it shows. An omission coming for him I feel.

If I had it my way, Doughty out, Pets to half back, Jaensch released onto a wing/spending some time lurking forward.

 

[Cap]

Petrenko is being played out of position and it shows. An omission coming for him I feel.

a bit of a theme occurring here.

 

[cmndstab]

Just on Petrenko has anyone noticed that he has been pinged holding the ball in every single game he's played?

Not a knock really, alot are harsh, when hes on the bottom of a pack trying to make the play, gets ridden and pinged. Would be some sort of record I think.

He's taken over from Thompson and Tippett as our most unfairly treated player. Some of the HTB decisions against him have been absolute disgraces.

I'm sick of this theory that if a player takes the ball and immediately makes a positive attempt to burst through a pack, that this has somehow offered him "prior opportunity", and that he deserves to be punished, whereas a player who takes the ball, and allows himself to be immediately tackled and brought to the ground is rewarded with another stoppage. It's a blight on our game.

To be honest, the umpiring in this regard was quite good today... except when Petrenko got the ball

 

[mulz]

there is a lot of issues that need to be adressed, skills , gameplan etc but the main reason is our midfield, we just dont have good enough players in the middle, we dont have one elite midfielder, we have gone on the recruit for too many kp players, there is not too much we can do atm except for trying to be competitive, we havent put in one acceptable competitive performance so far. we must trade and trade hard at the end of this year, we will need to give to get, we have an abundance of tradeable players,
our list is well overrated, lets face the facts, we do not have the cattle.

 

[afc1991]

He's taken over from Thompson and Tippett as our most unfairly treated player. Some of the HTB decisions against him have been absolute disgraces.

I'm sick of this theory that if a player takes the ball and immediately makes a positive attempt to burst through a pack, that this has somehow offered him "prior opportunity", and that he deserves to be punished, whereas a player who takes the ball, and allows himself to be immediately tackled and brought to the ground is rewarded with another stoppage. It's a blight on our game.

To be honest, the umpiring in this regard was quite good today... except when Petrenko got the ball

Too true. I wonder how many umps have played the game- at any level. Theyre just downright cruel at times.

 

[SydCrow]

Danger is hard at the ball but he doesn't have the same mix of courage and fire that someone like a Selwood has.

Fail #1 - are you serious?

If you put the lot of them in the ring with Jono Brown none of them would last 3 mins.

Fail #2 - Bock

 

[afc1991]

there is a lot of issues that need to be adressed, skills , gameplan etc but the main reason is our midfield, we just dont have good enough players in the middle, we dont have one elite midfielder, we have gone on the recruit for too many kp players, there is not too much we can do atm except for trying to be competitive, we havent put in one acceptable competitive performance so far. we must trade and trade hard at the end of this year, we will need to give to get, we have an abundance of tradeable players,
our list is well overrated, lets face the facts, we do not have the cattle.

Who?

The way I see it, we have a bunch of required players and some that can go. Problem is, I doubt anyone wants those players.

 

[aneale]

Fail #1 - are you serious?



Fail #2 - Bock

please quote the one time Danger has gotten out of the pack and remonstrated with a tackler, come in and got in anyones face? Selwood does it regularly.

Bock, please. Good footballer but has zero aggro in him.

 

[WALL-e]

If an Adelaide fan bags our recent recruiting in front of me I'll ****ing snot em.

Why didn't we draft 15 25 year olds to have a prime team.

****ing n00bs all round.

 

[Elite Crow]

My problem is how do we fix to at least remain competitive and not embarrass the club?

Selection.

• Out: Porps has to go until he retains some match fitness and form. Drop another big name, either Edwards, Thompson or Knights. Knights for similar reasons to Porps. Edwards as the game is past him. Thompson because he is out of sorts, is it the knee? If so rest him.
• Ins: Mckay hopefully, Jaensch, Walker.
• Sellar comes straight in when fit to leave Tippett at full forward.

Positional Changes

• Danger into the middle. Doughty to tagger. Walker to full forward. Petrenko to defence. Mcleod to crumber. Jaensch to half forward.

Game Plan

• The handball or the zone must go, and I would prefer both. We are making too many errors with the ball because the opposition know how to play us. Force us into turnovers because we over possess it and kill us on the turnover because we are zoning off. Griffin said it after the match.
• Kick the ****ing ball. Give our forwards a chance to put the opposition under pressure.
• Tippett, Walker and Mcleod to stay in the forward 50 and much closer to goal.
• Play unsociable football man on man.

 

[cmndstab]

please quote the one time Danger has gotten out of the pack and remonstrated with a tackler, come in and got in anyones face? Selwood does it regularly.

Bock, please. Good footballer but has zero aggro in him.

I don't understand either of these two sentiments. First of all, we have seen Danger go and remonstrate with a tackler, though most of the time he's the one being tackled anyway and other teammates should be remonstrating with him. He's demonstrated his toughness many times. of all the players you could be complaining about in this regard, Dangerfield is one of the most puzzling.

Bock meanwhile has a tonne of agro in him, it regularly gets him into trouble on the field even. He's not against roughing up a forward and often gets too fired up leading to frees against

 

[mulz]

Who?

The way I see it, we have a bunch of required players and some that can go. Problem is, I doubt anyone wants those players.

douglas
thompson
reilly
walker
petrenko
cook
symes
sellar
van berlo
s.stevens
rutten
hentscel
griffin
moran

now some of them players noone would want and some i wouldnt want to see go but if trading hard for a gibbs for example then i wouldnt mind

 

[Cap]

It's still basically the same side that held so much promise at the end of last year but those 3 players have stopped the development dead in it's tracks, normally you only have one champion that goes well into his thirties (like us with Buckley) if even that, it's just a bizarre quirk of fate to have 3 of them at the same time.

your probably right, its generally a one off not a 4 off.

 

[Cap]

Selection.

• Out: Porps has to go until he retains some match fitness and form. Drop another big name, either Edwards, Thompson or Knights. Knights for similar reasons to Porps. Edwards as the game is past him. Thompson because he is out of sorts, is it the knee? If so rest him.
• Ins: Mckay hopefully, Jaensch, Walker.
• Sellar comes straight in when fit to leave Tippett at full forward.

Positional Changes

• Danger into the middle. Doughty to tagger. Walker to full forward. Petrenko to defence. Mcleod to crumber. Jaensch to half forward.

Game Plan

• The handball or the zone must go, and I would prefer both. We are making too many errors with the ball because the opposition know how to play us. Force us into turnovers because we over possess it and kill us on the turnover because we are zoning off. Griffin said it after the match.
• Kick the ****ing ball. Give our forwards a chance to put the opposition under pressure.
• Tippett, Walker and Mcleod to stay in the forward 50 and much closer to goal.
• Play unsociable football man on man.

I like your ideas, but who would have thought Sellar would have been considered a walk up start 12 months ago

I'd like to see a return to the get it and kick it long gameplan..... but I realise thats going to get us on the wrong side of 100 point losses

 

[Huntercrow]

How do we fix it?
This might be blind faith or pie in the sky but I feel the turn around started tonight.
Yes we were beaten badly on the scoreboard but there were some good signs and even a bit of a fightback, I agree with Craig that the Crows cannot start chopping and changing for the sake of it, he needs to settle the team down and get into some sort of rhythm.(easier said than done)
Our obvious weakness is our midfield and I can't see this changing until at least Bernie and Thomo gain some form and confidence.

I don`t understand the love for Walker who has had his chances and has failed to grabbed the bull by the horns to his own detriment.
So, no I wouldn't be rushing him back just yet.
First time I have had the pleasure to see Davis and I was surprised by his maturity so I would be keen to see him up forward soon.

Tonight some things went right and some went horribly wrong but i feel this will improve, but time is running out and the Crows need to start taking more chances and enjoying their football again.

 

[Crow-mo]

imo we have poor skills and confused players.

instead of pig headedly insisting our game plan is hunky dory, I'd like to see us get back to basics.

A more conventional structure, 2 ruckman, and play guys in their positions. no more round hole square pegs. if you're a back pocket, you get selected as a back pocket or not at all. no playing them on a HFF.

encourage players to attack and move the ball forward. bench anyone who handballs backwards more than twice in a row.

the players need to enjoy it more, freewheel more, get loose. then lets start thinking about getting more tactical.

I'd also like to see players selected purely on demonstrated 2010 form.

oh and at the end of the year I'd like to see Ryan Griffen traded for Bock

 

[afc1991]

I'd also like to see players selected purely on demonstrated 2010 form.

oh and at the end of the year I'd like to see Ryan Griffen traded for Bock

Would we get a full 22?

re the trade, I must say, it looks better this year than when you suggested it. We dont have a kicker anywhere near his ability. To be fair, the commentators suggested he had underachieved in the last couple of years.

 

[WALL-e]

oh and at the end of the year I'd like to see Ryan Griffen traded for Bock

I'm all about Ryan Griffen, but Bock?

There's a smiley so it my be a joke......

 

[smoovy]

Watching us v Bulldogs provides for the most extreme comparison on where we are being let down. Quite simply it is execution of skills under pressure.

I'm talking about the in close work, when the oppositon are right on our backs. The ability to execute a handball to put it to a team mate advantage, the ability to take the ball cleanly - be it in the air or on the ground. Instead we are missing tagets, fumbling, having our handball smothered. Skills have never been so important in the high risk game we are playing and we are getting hurt badly the other way.

Conversely we seem to be unable to generate the pressure to force the opposition into mistakes and get us some easy goals.

 

[glengowan]

I've only watched the Freo game and then last night's game on tv, but what stood out to me from the first game was an unnecessary need to move the ball on quickly with a handball every single time. Like it's a hot potato.

It looks like they've been drilled at training to do this and despite the AFL being extremely quick, I think the Crows players have it in their heads they need to part with the ball so quickly that it is either causing fumbling before they even have the ball or poor execution.

Combine that with the amount of injuries (not just players missing, but those carrying or recovering) and the result is a side low in confidence and form.

It's clearly time for change in game plan and probably in personnel. Whether Neil Craig is the man to change I'm not sure.

I also think it's time to move on Doughty, Burton and Hentschel. Michael Voss mentioned in an interview that he "shook the apple tree" at the end of last year and maybe the Crows need to do this.

For a club as well structured and financially stable, with all the bells and whistles, that the Crows have - to not make a Grand Final in 12 years is embarrassing and a massive under-achievement.

 

[seanoff]

You guys look over-coached.

The players do not appear to be able to play instinctively. Every time they get the ball you can see them hesitate and think,

what am i supposed to do here? is this scenario A, B or C? Is option A allowed 10 mins in the 3rd quarter or do i have to take B now, or is it C?

they need to be freed up, take the first option, take a couple of risks. Last night Tippett had Lake on a stick, so why not kick it in long to a 1 on 1 contest. but their not coached that way, it's all risk averse.

in the 2nd qtr, the only time Adelaide looked OK, is when Dangerfield took the game on and after that till the end of the qtr it was very good. 1/2 time came, the 'game plan" was re-inforced and back it went to

 

[Bicks]

First let me say as an ex Croweater [now living in Vic] and a Crows barracker since their inception, I would be disappointed if this was the case but I was talking to an old mate over there who is a rabid Crows supporter and member and he was telling me he's heard talk of problems within the playing ranks, seems some of the players resent the fact that Tippett's new contract [$$$$'s] is far and above the kind of $$$$'s they are on and are not too happy about it. Has anyone else heard anything along these lines.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

First let me say as an ex Croweater [now living in Vic] and a Crows barracker since their inception, I would be disappointed if this was the case but I was talking to an old mate over there who is a rabid Crows supporter and member and he was telling me he's heard talk of problems within the playing ranks, seems some of the players resent the fact that Tippett's new contract [$$$$'s] is far and above the kind of $$$$'s they are on and are not too happy about it. Has anyone else heard anything along these lines.

Haven't heard anything about that but there wouldn't be a sporting club in the world, successful or unsuccessful, that doesn't have disagreements about who gets paid more, who gets selected in the team, where people are chosen to play etc.

When teams are losing that is when you start drawing conclusions from this sort of stuff that in reality has been there all along. Mark Blake had some things to say about team selection during grand final week in 2007... but who gave a toss?

What is certainly true is that winning is fun. Everyone is happy, working together, laughing and joking, enjoying their footy. Losing isn't fun. Everyone is unhappy, trying to work out who is to blame, trying to protect their own job and getting down on each other. Again, that is true for every sporting team at any level in the entire world.