THE controversial issue

[Macca19]

Why would Chad Cornes want to 'come home' to the Crows when hes said all along, including before he was drafted, that he didnt want to play at the Crows??

 

[WaynesWorld19]

As long as my ass points to the ground I will never agree to throwing a season to get PDPs. Have a bit of ********ing pride for ********s sake - something none of those sorry ********ing losers Richmond/Hawthorn/Bulldogs have.
We have a short but proud history and we will be back as a force. One of the reasons I raised the issues I did yesterday was to remind people that there are no quick fixes, there will be no massive clean out at the end of 2005, and that we and other members and supporters need to support the club and be patient.
FFS....we're not even at draft day yet and already we're talking about tanking a season......IMO anyone who doesn't have enough passion to support this club through the thin as well as the thick can ******** off now, buy 15 other scarves...and just pick one each week according to who you think might win.............Don't be coming to high 5 me at the MCG next time we win a flag.

Well said

 

[Stiffy_18]

As long as my ass points to the ground I will never agree to throwing a season to get PDPs. Have a bit of ********ing pride for ********s sake - something none of those sorry ********ing losers Richmond/Hawthorn/Bulldogs have.
We have a short but proud history and we will be back as a force. One of the reasons I raised the issues I did yesterday was to remind people that there are no quick fixes, there will be no massive clean out at the end of 2005, and that we and other members and supporters need to support the club and be patient.
FFS....we're not even at draft day yet and already we're talking about tanking a season......IMO anyone who doesn't have enough passion to support this club through the thin as well as the thick can ******** off now, buy 15 other scarves...and just pick one each week according to who you think might win.............Don't be coming to high 5 me at the MCG next time we win a flag.

Amen to that brother

 

[maccas_no1]

now that I've calmed down... ...I'm not having a go at anyone specifically about this topic....I just react very badly everytime someone even suggests not playing our best team and trying 100% to win each game.
So while I accept this is a hypothetical proposition.......we should rebuild the hard way and the dignified way.

Im with you Mad Dog my veiw is the AFC goes out and gives 100% every single game no matter where we play or who the opposition is, if we win eight games for the year and finish 12th then so be it if we go out and win 14 games and finish 4th then thats great too, but to talk about tanking a season that hasnt even start is just ludicrous

 

[LiaLovesRoo32]

I agree with Mad Dog for sure!!!!
Being a Victorian CROWS member I cop ******** every week anyway.....which by the way just makes me more proud and passionate
It probably doesn't help that Mark Ricciuto is my screen saver.....many of him too

But I would be very disappointed if the boys didn't go out and give 100% every game.....I am sure too that our beloved captain along with the rest of the boys would not go on to the oval with this thought in mind. They go out there every week to win and if they don't that's when we as supporters need to stick by them even more!!!! I have been a proud supporter this year and will continue to no matter what!!!!!!

 

[NikkiNoo]

With a lot of young players in the side I do not agree with them not playing to their full potential - they need to be able to see the other leaders at the club giving their all for the club otherwise why would you play the game?

 

[Crow-mosone]

DO NOT RESORT TO VIOLENCE UNTIL YOU HAVE READ THIS FULLY

General consensus from the thread yesterday was the Crows are mid table (6-12) team for the next couple or years. We certainly dont appear a serious premiership threat in 2005-2007. After 2007 things are certainly harder to predict due a large number of variables- trading/drafting/development/injuries etc

I passionately love the Crows but am also an objective person re where we are at as a footy club - we desperately need quality youth - the CREAM of youngsters - somthing we havent picked up for a helluva of a number of years. I am NOT necessarily proposing we do the following but lets look at how the AFL system 'rewards' a mediocre year. After Round 4, 2005 there is a reasonable chance we will be 0-4 with 4 very hard games to start. The finals are realistically almost out of reach especially if we drop another couple of games in the next month.

We agree that after 2005 there may be a big clean out - therefore why not prioritise and play youth and all the questionable players for the remainder of the minor round to ascertain excactly who has a future with the club - weed as many duds as possible post-2005 season. Give Mc Leod/Roo etc lesser roles to lengthen their careers

The effect may be we finish bottom 4 - possibly bottom 2 (assume Hawks wooden spooners). IF we win 5 games or less in the year we get the priority pick. What impact would this have on our team in 2006:

Draft picks say 2 and 4, 20, 36 etc
PSD draft pick 2

What could we do with these:

Draft pick 2 - get 2nd best youngster in land come draft time

Draft pick 4 - give to Port for Chad Cornes who decides he wants to return 'home' to the Crows

Draft pick 20 - give to Weagles for Waters who wants to come home - Weagles will deal for the best available pick so unless Port give up their first round draft pick he comes to the Crows

PSD - get Cooney to put a big price on his head - 100k over market and declare his intention to return home to SA - he should walk to the Crows

All of a sudden come 2006 we have Chad Cornes, Beau Waters, Adam Cooney AND the 2nd best youngster in the land - in reality the names may be different but its THE QUALITY that is the issue. Finishing near the bottow gives some HUGE ADVANTAGES

And in 2006 all of a sudden we are probably a top 4 team again with a shot for the premiership - thats the difference 3-4 absolute quality players adds to the team

Welsh Hentschel Scuback
Edwards Cornes Johncock
Reilly Ricuitto Cooney
Waters Mc Gregor Goodwin
Bassett Rutten Hart

Biglands Thompson Mc Leod

Int Hudson/Wood, Watts, Bode, Begley with the 2nd draft pick developing under Stewart in the SANFL (as well as Gibbs, and other draft picks from this year)


Its a QUICK FIX - is there any point finishing 8-13 when the bottom 2/3 teams get such a MASSIVE ADVANTAGE come trading (ie threat of PSD) /drafting and PSD picks.

As I said I am not saying I agree with this but its certainly a qucik fix to get the Crows back into contention.

A question for other Crows fans - would you prefer ONE BAD YEAR in 2005 to bottom out finishing 14/15th, weed out 6-8 cr@p players at the end of the year and then GAIN some absolute QUALITY at the end of the year which could automatically put us back into contention - or would you prefer steady as she goes and try to gradually build back up over the next 3-4 years to be in contention whilst finishing approx 7-13th for the next 3 years ???

Its a controversial issue

IF it were a viable option - it isn't - but if it were, the rules will change before we could get the benefit. The priority pick system will be changed inside 2 years imo.

 

[Stiffy_18]

IF it were a viable option - it isn't - but if it were, the rules will change before we could get the benefit. The priority pick system will be changed inside 2 years imo.

There is some talk that it will be changed after the National Draft so the priority picks are awarded if you have to 2 mediocre years in a row.

I wouldn't be surprised is this was the case as of next year.

 

[Eggzoi]

I've always thought the PP should be at the end of the first round, instead of the front. Would prevent the complete star stocking happening at the moment.

 

[macca23]

I've always thought the PP should be at the end of the first round, instead of the front. Would prevent the complete star stocking happening at the moment.

If there has to be such a thing as a reward for mediocrity or even abject failure, then a much more equitable situation for the comp as a whole is as you've suggested - PP's at the end of the 1st round.

To get picks #1 and #4 for being pathetic and finishing last (sometimes it has been #1 and #2) is absurd. Picks #1 and #17 would be far more logical.

 

[tinman]

If there has to be such a thing as a reward for mediocrity or even abject failure, then a much more equitable situation for the comp as a whole is as you've suggested - PP's at the end of the 1st round.

To get picks #1 and #4 for being pathetic and finishing last (sometimes it has been #1 and #2) is absurd. Picks #1 and #17 would be far more logical.

That's the real issue - rewarding mediocrity and incompetence. Everyone wants an even comp (with us at the top of course), but the current system stinks.

Talk of "tanking" a game, never mind a season, is just rubbish - the coach, club, players would never countenance it.

Does anyone think that Richmond or Hawthorn tanked this season? Hands up? If they did, Frawley and Schwab are the best actors outside Hollywood. Oh, and don't forget it also cost them their jobs.....

 

[ant]

I would just like to say that I agree with everyone who says we should not tank the season. And if, by the good grace of God, we happen to earn a priority pick (but not a wooden spoon) through our own incompetence, rather than finish the season 10th-13th, then I won't be completely shattered either.

And hopefully we can also use this position to be more aggressive at the trading table.

But of course we'll be top 4 in 2005 so I don't know why we're having this discussion?

 

[- PC -]

DO NOT RESORT TO VIOLENCE UNTIL YOU HAVE READ THIS FULLY

General consensus from the thread yesterday was the Crows are mid table (6-12) team for the next couple or years. We certainly dont appear a serious premiership threat in 2005-2007. After 2007 things are certainly harder to predict due a large number of variables- trading/drafting/development/injuries etc

I passionately love the Crows but am also an objective person re where we are at as a footy club - we desperately need quality youth - the CREAM of youngsters - somthing we havent picked up for a helluva of a number of years. I am NOT necessarily proposing we do the following but lets look at how the AFL system 'rewards' a mediocre year. After Round 4, 2005 there is a reasonable chance we will be 0-4 with 4 very hard games to start. The finals are realistically almost out of reach especially if we drop another couple of games in the next month.

We agree that after 2005 there may be a big clean out - therefore why not prioritise and play youth and all the questionable players for the remainder of the minor round to ascertain excactly who has a future with the club - weed as many duds as possible post-2005 season. Give Mc Leod/Roo etc lesser roles to lengthen their careers

The effect may be we finish bottom 4 - possibly bottom 2 (assume Hawks wooden spooners). IF we win 5 games or less in the year we get the priority pick. What impact would this have on our team in 2006:

Draft picks say 2 and 4, 20, 36 etc
PSD draft pick 2

What could we do with these:

Draft pick 2 - get 2nd best youngster in land come draft time

Draft pick 4 - give to Port for Chad Cornes who decides he wants to return 'home' to the Crows

Draft pick 20 - give to Weagles for Waters who wants to come home - Weagles will deal for the best available pick so unless Port give up their first round draft pick he comes to the Crows

PSD - get Cooney to put a big price on his head - 100k over market and declare his intention to return home to SA - he should walk to the Crows

All of a sudden come 2006 we have Chad Cornes, Beau Waters, Adam Cooney AND the 2nd best youngster in the land - in reality the names may be different but its THE QUALITY that is the issue. Finishing near the bottow gives some HUGE ADVANTAGES

And in 2006 all of a sudden we are probably a top 4 team again with a shot for the premiership - thats the difference 3-4 absolute quality players adds to the team

Welsh Hentschel Scuback
Edwards Cornes Johncock
Reilly Ricuitto Cooney
Waters Mc Gregor Goodwin
Bassett Rutten Hart

Biglands Thompson Mc Leod

Int Hudson/Wood, Watts, Bode, Begley with the 2nd draft pick developing under Stewart in the SANFL (as well as Gibbs, and other draft picks from this year)


Its a QUICK FIX - is there any point finishing 8-13 when the bottom 2/3 teams get such a MASSIVE ADVANTAGE come trading (ie threat of PSD) /drafting and PSD picks.

As I said I am not saying I agree with this but its certainly a qucik fix to get the Crows back into contention.

A question for other Crows fans - would you prefer ONE BAD YEAR in 2005 to bottom out finishing 14/15th, weed out 6-8 cr@p players at the end of the year and then GAIN some absolute QUALITY at the end of the year which could automatically put us back into contention - or would you prefer steady as she goes and try to gradually build back up over the next 3-4 years to be in contention whilst finishing approx 7-13th for the next 3 years ???

Its a controversial issue

Welcome to the board and great post...wrong but great

As you have found and know in yourself the Adelaide FC and its supporters have Passion with a capital P and woe betide anyone who dare suggest we be mediocre when in our hearts we can do our utmost to succeed...as much as I hate the Poor Power I admire the creed they stole from Fos...

''Finally, we concede that there can be honour in defeat, but to each of us, honourable defeat of our Club and guernsey can come only after human endeavour on the playing field is completely exhausted."

and for anyone to suggest otherwise well I think you found out...I know how easy my footy tipping was this year just by looking at those teams near the 5 game limit and tipping the other side...Hawthorn V Richmond was easy as Richmond couldnt win without losing that chance at PP..but at the same token I was disgusted at those teams and also those supporters who were happy their teams were losing on purpose.