Roast The Cull needs to start

[Gibbo_88]

Yep, unless we are all crazy and Voss is the sane one.

Xavier Clarke following just behind unfortunately for him, but his career with the Lions played out exactly as I suspected.

Glad we signed Hawksley to a two year contract to play in the reserves.

Maguire - game has past him by.

Buchanan - tries hard, but he is not up to it and is not the future.

Bartlett and Austin - in big trouble.

Stiller - just not up to it.

Charman - well that contract worked out well.

Cornelius - in big trouble unless he can do something about his fitness.

Sheldon - going nowhere.

But unfortunately there is no way we can get rid of all of these players. Maybe 6 of this list of 11 will be delisted. With Hawksley (contract), Stiller, and a few others likely to stay

WTF? I know everyone's pissed off at how bad we are this season but how is Bartlett in big trouble. Was named as the emergency a few times last year and wasn't far off debuting before he did his knee and he's a few weeks away from playing again.

Agree with the rest of them though. Unfortunately with missing midfielders in the 23-28 age group means we have to stick with guys like Buchanan and Stiller while the 18-19 year olds get games into them.

 

[dlanod]

Glad we signed Hawksley to a two year contract to play in the reserves.

I can't remember where this "fact" started but a recent article said his manager was starting contract discussions for this year, i.e. he'll be off contract at the end of this year.

 

[Stocka]

I think that LOTR's list is pretty accurate bar one or two names (although, you could probably replace them with one or two others anyway). Unfortunately, it's probably correct to say that we won't be able to delist all of them in one pre-season. We're probably looking at maybe being able to delist seven at the very most (and that all depends on contract situations, etc.).

Unfortunately, even if we manage to clear out five or six duds, there are other players on the list who are likely to fall into that category soon enough (even players currently in the team who we think are half-decent, just like we used to think of many of the names above), meaning that we may not in fact be better off despite the clean out.

I have a feeling that it is going to take a very long time to improve our list.

 

[Ceebee]

I think that LOTR's list is pretty accurate bar one or two names (although, you could probably replace them with one or two others anyway). Unfortunately, it's probably correct to say that we won't be able to delist all of them in one pre-season. We're probably looking at maybe being able to delist seven at the very most (and that all depends on contract situations, etc.).

Unfortunately, even if we manage to clear out five or six duds, there are other players on the list who are likely to fall into that category soon enough (even players currently in the team who we think are half-decent, just like we used to think of many of the names above), meaning that we may not in fact be better off despite the clean out.

I have a feeling that it is going to take a very long time to improve our list.

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We seem to have been clearing out duds for the last 5 years and it appears we still have some.

Must be a revolving door.

 

[DrummoSolo]

In my opinion, the following players are safe due to talent/being core players going ahead.

- Brown, Rockliff, Redden, Rich, Leuie, Adcock, Merrett, Banfield, Drummond, McGrath, and just barely by the skin of his teeth, Raines.

The following players get a pass due to developing youth or a desire to see more of.

- Bartlett, Retzlaff, O'Brien, Beams (just), Bewick, anyone from last year's draft.

Anyone else at this point has merit in trading, delisting, or stepping aside. Note, I'm not ENDORSING that we chop all these people at once, but I am endorsing that we start seriously thinking of how we can dig ourselves from this mire, and that we begin to look at it beyond a "lol, Collier and Stiller" are crap" perspective, as we're well back these two being the only issue.

 

[Last of the Roys]

WTF? I know everyone's pissed off at how bad we are this season but how is Bartlett in big trouble. Was named as the emergency a few times last year and wasn't far off debuting before he did his knee and he's a few weeks away from playing again....

You do understand Bartlett has had two knee reco's and hasn't yet played AFL football? I am sure you have heard of Pat Garner. I am just stating what is already a fact - if Bartlett can't get back on the park and impress this year he is in big trouble. He will probably still get a rookie spot but it is not a sure thing.

 

[Footballator]

In my opinion, the following players are safe due to talent/being core players going ahead.

- Brown, Rockliff, Redden, Rich, Leuie, Adcock, Merrett, Banfield, Drummond, McGrath, and just barely by the skin of his teeth, Raines.

The following players get a pass due to developing youth or a desire to see more of.

- Bartlett, Retzlaff, O'Brien, Beams (just), Bewick, anyone from last year's draft.

Anyone else at this point has merit in trading, delisting, or stepping aside. Note, I'm not ENDORSING that we chop all these people at once, but I am endorsing that we start seriously thinking of how we can dig ourselves from this mire, and that we begin to look at it beyond a "lol, Collier and Stiller" are crap" perspective, as we're well back these two being the only issue.

Yep, we are gunna have a bait on a lot of hooks come trade time. Not to many safe players I woudn't think. There should be a couple coming off the Suns list but yet again it is going to take time with them to develop. We tried the ready made player already and only with mixed success.

 

[Footballator]

It is starting to look like we have more duds than a mens wear store..............

 

[Grimreepah]

You do understand Bartlett has had two knee reco's and hasn't yet played AFL football? I am sure you have heard of Pat Garner. I am just stating what is already a fact - if Bartlett can't get back on the park and impress this year he is in big trouble. He will probably still get a rookie spot but it is not a sure thing.

Pat Garner had 5 years on the list. This is Bartlett's 2nd. Presuming he makes a full recovery, you'd think they would give him at least another year to prove himself.

 

[Gibbo_88]

You do understand Bartlett has had two knee reco's and hasn't yet played AFL football? I am sure you have heard of Pat Garner. I am just stating what is already a fact - if Bartlett can't get back on the park and impress this year he is in big trouble. He will probably still get a rookie spot but it is not a sure thing.

Bartlett has the talent and he managed to get close to a debut coming off a knee reconstruction last year so can't see why he can't get back to being a fringe player in about 2 months when he should have played quite a few games. Just don't think his name should be mentioned at all in this thread.

 

[Last of the Roys]

I will say it again, if Bartlett can't get out their on the park and show something this year (in the reserves) then he is in trouble. He will probably get a rookie spot no matter what, but I wouldn't guarantee it. Imagine he did a knee for a third time - it would be very hard for the Club to continue backing him. Just like Xavier Clarke - who we should never have picked in the first place and must be extremely close to the end of his career.

As for Garner - of course it was terrible for him - he spent three years on the main list and two years on the rookie list (I think). But at the end of the day it was unfortunately nothing more than a waste of a draft pick and a waste of a position on our list (yeah hindsight is 20/20, but if you keep making the same mistakes as a Club...).

I hope Bartlett pulls through for his sake and the Club's, but let's not kid ourselves that there isn't a huge question mark over his future.

 

[Dylan12]

But at the end of the day it was unfortunately nothing more than a waste of a draft pick and a waste of a position on our list (yeah hindsight is 20/20, but if you keep making the same mistakes as a Club...).

And both were picks in the mid 20's. We have really stunk with picks in the 20's...Collier, Proud, Mills etc to name a few, although I thought we were very much the winner on draft day when Proud slipped through.

Whilst very early days, drafting both Heppel and Darling would have been an extraordinary result...although I'm prepared to wait for 3 years or so to pass judgement on that one.

 

[Grimreepah]

I will say it again, if Bartlett can't get out their on the park and show something this year (in the reserves) then he is in trouble. He will probably get a rookie spot no matter what, but I wouldn't guarantee it. Imagine he did a knee for a third time - it would be very hard for the Club to continue backing him. Just like Xavier Clarke - who we should never have picked in the first place and must be extremely close to the end of his career.

As for Garner - of course it was terrible for him - he spent three years on the main list and two years on the rookie list (I think). But at the end of the day it was unfortunately nothing more than a waste of a draft pick and a waste of a position on our list (yeah hindsight is 20/20, but if you keep making the same mistakes as a Club...).

I hope Bartlett pulls through for his sake and the Club's, but let's not kid ourselves that there isn't a huge question mark over his future.

I don't see it as a mistake. List managers are not clairvoyants. Being a 2nd round pick they obviously rated his abilities and tried to give him an opportunity to prove himself. I imagine the same will be the case for Bartlett.

 

[Mayestro]

Personally I would give Bartlett a further 2 years. If a normal draft pick is given 2 years, then surely someone drafted known to be recovering from an ACL should be given twice that, given it takes 12 months to fully recover from an ACL. So his best/normal standard of football may not be seen until the second half of next year.

This is for a player some have indicated would have gone top 10 in that draft without the initial ACL. The upside for perseverance is enormous. If he struggles then so be it- he's cut at the end of 2013.

 

[whatboutbob]

And both were picks in the mid 20's. We have really stunk with picks in the 20's...Collier, Proud, Mills etc to name a few...

Redden says hi.

 

[Lionsfor3]

It's not as bad as it looks. The problem is that it seems that the coaching staff are unsure if they are contending for a top 8 spot or are in a rebuilding stage. When they've got club champions like Black, Power and Brown I have a feeling they don't want to look to the latter while they put on the boots. But the sooner they start getting the games into the kids that are going to push them ahead in the next 5 years the sooner they can get that gel.

Looking to the future you have a good core group of U21's:
Claye Beams (19)
Bryce Retzlaff (19)
Jack Redden (20)
Todd Banfield (20)
Daniel Rich (20)
Aaron Cornelius (20)
Tom Rockliff (21)

Add to that Jared Polec (18) will get to prove himself.

Looking at the "mid-age" players:
Matthew Leuenburger (22)
Mitch Clarke (23)
Broc McCauley (24)
Jed Adcock (25)
Mitch Clarke (23)
Matthew Leuenberger (22)

I know that's only 13 players out of a team of 21+1 but when you consider the ages of them it's not too bad. Give them a few years and we'll be up and about. Maybe not at the very top, but certainly not where we are now.

 

[Football Pope]

I like the two Mitch Clarke's...Which one is the one that turns up to play under Mitch Clark as I feel he might have pulled a sub of late...?

The future does look great and you could easily add

James Polkinghorne 21
Rohan Bewick-20
Jesse O'Brien -20
Pearce Hanley- 22

Making the list 17


Expanding on the yet to prove themselves from 1 to 8

Ryan Harwood 19
Josh Green 18
Ryan Lester 18
Pat Karnezis 19
Callum Bartlett 19
Josh Dyson 19
Mitch Golby 19
Brad Harvey 19

There's also Bart McCulloch, Niall McKeever & Richard Newell,

 

[western royboy]

Yep, unless we are all crazy and Voss is the sane one.

Xavier Clarke following just behind unfortunately for him, but his career with the Lions played out exactly as I suspected.

Glad we signed Hawksley to a two year contract to play in the reserves.

Maguire - game has past him by.

Buchanan - tries hard, but he is not up to it and is not the future.

Bartlett and Austin - in big trouble.

Stiller - just not up to it.

Charman - well that contract worked out well.

Cornelius - in big trouble unless he can do something about his fitness.

Sheldon - going nowhere.

But unfortunately there is no way we can get rid of all of these players. Maybe 6 of this list of 11 will be delisted. With Hawksley (contract), Stiller, and a few others likely to stay

LOTR, Like most I agree wih your summary excepting Bartlett, he's worth persisiting with. Again like others I've got no idea how we can possibly rid ourselves of the quantity in just one year, regardless of the fact that it is a compromised draft.

 

[whizkizz]

I like the two Mitch Clarke's...Which one is the one that turns up to play under Mitch Clark as I feel he might have pulled a sub of late...?

There's also two Leuenbergers in that list lol.

 

[Quigley]

Bartlett came back from knee surgery and was an emergency for a couple of weeks before doing his knee a second time. If his knee fully recovers the kid should be a goodie. No chance in hell of him going anywhere at the end of the year.

 

[Lionsfor3]

Well we do need all the help we can get lol

 

[whatboutbob]

I see posters griping about Sheldon being promoted for this game. "Play the kids, he has no future on our list" they cry.

I'm curious to know where they draw the line, as far as list management goes.

Thus far, at the end of the year, it seems some BigFootyites would give marching orders to their popular whipping boys:

Sheldon, Austin, Stiller, Collier & Hawksley (as an aside, I notice the baying for Hanley's blood seems to have been muted)

For those calling for this, how deep do you think the draft runs?

We've already lost Fevola so that's 6 spots we have to fill (I'm excluding Proud as he was a rookie). So that would mean we'd be using ~pick 84, assuming we finish stone motherless last.

Then we have Charman and Clarke who are better than even chances of retiring - that's 8 spots. Come on down pick >100.

Then of course there's a chance that Power and/or Black will call it quits, as well as GWS potentially raiding our stocks. What are we up to? 10 spots?

Do y'all genuinely believe that picks >100 in this year's draft are going to offer more than the BF whipping boys, not to mention the destabilising impact of turning over a quarter of our list in a single year? Is that really what posters are proposing? Just curious...

 

[dlanod]

To be fair, most posters have one or two preferred options for the ejection seat. There doesn't seem to be too many that are calling for the "all of the above" option, though the mental image is amusing. Those that are calling for "all of the above"... well they're probably on my ignore list.

 

[Football Pope]

Yep, My old man use to say never bag a player that dons your clubs colours...if they make mistakes.. they'll be punished with time in the reserves...On that... Sheldon has served his time and has earned a recall...


I use to watch Sheldon play for Oakleigh..I haven't seen him play for a while about 2 years...but one thing is for sure, he'll have a red hot go..puts his head over the pill and usually wins it....Many a time I'd see him carve sides up with his pace and evasive skills .. If he can reproduce that at AFL level amongst his equals....Hello Brisbane.

Last week we got smashed in the centre with the inclusion of Sheldon, Bewick & Harwood to the mix. we're on the way to negating one of the Dons strengths and I reckon we'll take it up to them...I would not be surprised to see Green or Austin or both come in as a late changes..

 

[Quigley]

As I calculate things and assuming we finish last with less than 4 wins our picks would be:

1 - pick 4
2 - pick 27 - priority pick
3 - pick 28 - GC compensation pick
4 - pick 30 - second pick of the second round
5 - pick 48 - round 3
6 - pick 66 - round 4 maybe ahead of this if GWS don't have any more selections
7 - pick 84 - round 5 and sure to be higher with passes