Movie The Dark Knight

[Karl Pilkington]

Oh, after the second viewing I just wanted to mention my favourite part I didn't really notice first time around:

When Joker is interviewing the fake batman on the video and he's sort of mucking around with him in a high pitched voice and mocking him etc. then he just loses it and goes "LOOK! AT! ME!" in this demonic, deep voice - just a ripper of a moment that happens really quickly. Sounds truly horrifying, would have loved to have seen his face when he said it.

 

[Tigerdrive]

Great movie, it's currently no.1 on the imdb top 250 don't know if it was that good but I definitely think it is worthy of being in the top 10. Can't wait for the DVD.

pps: thank goodness Nolan didn't bow to pressure and cut the Ledger bodybag scene..... the "why so serious WHY SO SERIOUS" monologue is truly grotesque and one of the highlights of the film.

It's weird I didn't even think about Ledger's death when I saw the bodybag scene, I think that's because it wasn't Heath up there on the screen it was The Joker, one of the finest performances I have ever seen .

 

[Macca19]

Fantastic movie. Ledger was phenomenal, and I love Bale as an actor. One of the best action films ive seen.

 

[TassieSaint]

I think the Black Mask should be the next villain.
He seems like a dark character, and has a depressing background.
Mr Freeze would be too lame, as well as Penguin.
The Riddler could be okay, if he was the complete opposite personality of Jim Carrey. But even then, the Riddler and the Joker have a pretty similar character.

I think we all know who the next villain must be, KILLER CROC!

Seriously I loved this movie. I'm not a movie type but Ledger's one of of the most gun performances I've seen.

 

[footylover18]

2 other things I didn't like about the film:

1. The whole scene with the 2 boats and each having to choose to blow up the other boat or not. Seriously, you're telling me that convicted criminals, guys who are some of Gotham's worst, murderers, rapists etc etc would even think twice about grabbing that detonator and blowing up the other boat in order to survive? Cmon. I realise that part of the story was in there to prove that there is good in people etc etc but that was a bit ridiculous.

2. The whole mobile phone being used as a sonar to allow Batman to see everything. I can suspend my beliefs for the sake of a comic book film, but that was just a bit too far fetched.

 

[Cassius_Clay]

2 other things I didn't like about the film:

1. The whole scene with the 2 boats and each having to choose to blow up the other boat or not. Seriously, you're telling me that convicted criminals, guys who are some of Gotham's worst, murderers, rapists etc etc would even think twice about grabbing that detonator and blowing up the other boat in order to survive? Cmon. I realise that part of the story was in there to prove that there is good in people etc etc but that was a bit ridiculous.

2. The whole mobile phone being used as a sonar to allow Batman to see everything. I can suspend my beliefs for the sake of a comic book film, but that was just a bit too far fetched.

So many odd/bad parts in the movie yet its talked up to be one of the best films ever. Two Face, Batman's voice and the points you've mentioned hurts the film in my eyes as a potential top 10 movie of all time. What makes it so much better than the 89 version?

Don't get me wrong, great film and all yet it's overrated on BF. Mainly due to Ledger's performance, his death and subsequent media attention.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

2 other things I didn't like about the film:

1. The whole scene with the 2 boats and each having to choose to blow up the other boat or not. Seriously, you're telling me that convicted criminals, guys who are some of Gotham's worst, murderers, rapists etc etc would even think twice about grabbing that detonator and blowing up the other boat in order to survive? Cmon. I realise that part of the story was in there to prove that there is good in people etc etc but that was a bit ridiculous.

2. The whole mobile phone being used as a sonar to allow Batman to see everything. I can suspend my beliefs for the sake of a comic book film, but that was just a bit too far fetched.

When I was watching it I was thinking that it may have been rigged so that they would blow themselves up if using the detonator, but it didn't appear to play out that way.

 

[FootyJunkie]

Yup agree as well Burton's Batman is the best although Heath's Joker is serious competition for Nicholson's. Michael Keaton is the definitive Batman though.

Give me a break. Ledger wipes the floor with Jack. Ledger didn't need to resort to silly dancing like this which was such a nothing scene.

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'89 Joker was Jack Nicholson getting high with makeup on.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

Give me a break. Ledger wipes the floor with Jack. Ledger didn't need to resort to silly dancing like this which was such a nothing scene.

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'89 Joker was Jack Nicholson getting high with makeup on.

HAHAHA that is epic win, for great justice.

 

[footylover18]

So many odd/bad parts in the movie yet its talked up to be one of the best films ever. Two Face, Batman's voice and the points you've mentioned hurts the film in my eyes as a potential top 10 movie of all time. What makes it so much better than the 89 version?

Don't get me wrong, great film and all yet it's overrated on BF. Mainly due to Ledger's performance, his death and subsequent media attention.

It's most certainly not one of the best 10 films ever. I think it's POSSIBLY the best comic book movie ever, but as i've said before, i think that's even debatable. I don't think Ledger's performance can be overrated. IMO that was prob the greatest on screen villain performance ever. Anyone prepared to name a better villain performance? Anthony Hopkins won an Oscar with 20mins of onscreen time in Silence of the Lambs. Ledger's performance was better. I'll be STUNNED if he isn't at least nominated.

I loved the original 1989 Batman movie. I don't think it's quite as tight as this though. Nicholson's Joker wasn't bad but did you truly believe that he was a ****ing psychopath? He wasn't scary at all, it seemed as if you could negotiate with him, he still seemed human. Ledger's Joker was the complete opposite, Ledger's Joker was one scary mother ****er.

The one thing I remember really disliking about the original Batman was that it never showed us how Batman became Batman. I thought that was a major flaw in the film. Also do you remember Bruce Wayne's love interest? She was ****ing horrendous. When Alfred decided to bring her down to the batcave to reveal that Bruce Wayne was Batman she barely reacted. If I was in her shoes, i'd be pretty ****ing surprised. I also reckon there was too much of Batman and not enough of Bruce Wayne, and too little interaction between Batman and Joker. Michael Keaton did a v.good job as Batman though, and the original Batman certainly crapped over all the sequels (up until Nolan's work) that followed it.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

So many odd/bad parts in the movie yet its talked up to be one of the best films ever. Two Face, Batman's voice and the points you've mentioned hurts the film in my eyes as a potential top 10 movie of all time. What makes it so much better than the 89 version?

Don't get me wrong, great film and all yet it's overrated on BF. Mainly due to Ledger's performance, his death and subsequent media attention.

EVERY movie has flaws, and the media attention and Ledger's death has little, if anything to do with it.

Batman's voice is a very, very minor problem. Two-Face was slightly, and ever so slightly at that, underdone but only in the sense of his relationship with Dawes.

These are very minor issues though, and when you couple the brilliant dialogue, excellent pacing and gripping plot with Ledger putting in one of the best performances of all time, and an excellent supporting cast with Eckhardt and Oldman shining in particular - you get a potential top 10 movie in my opinion.

This could all look differently depending on the third film too.

 

[footylover18]

EVERY movie has flaws, and the media attention and Ledger's death has little, if anything to do with it.

Batman's voice is a very, very minor problem. Two-Face was slightly, and ever so slightly at that, underdone but only in the sense of his relationship with Dawes.

These are very minor issues though, and when you couple the brilliant dialogue, excellent pacing and gripping plot with Ledger putting in one of the best performances of all time, and an excellent supporting cast with Eckhardt and Oldman shining in particular - you get a potential top 10 movie in my opinion.

This could all look differently depending on the third film too.

See that's the thing, when you're talking about a movie that your advocating as a possible top 10 movie of ALL TIME then these flaws aren't that minor. We all agree that TDK was incredibly good, but now that it is being put up there as an all time great it's going to be judged on a completely different standard.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

See that's the thing, when you're talking about a movie that your advocating as a possible top 10 movie of ALL TIME then these flaws aren't that minor. We all agree that TDK was incredibly good, but now that it is being put up there as an all time great it's going to be judged on a completely standard.

My point is that every movie has flaws. Even the best movies of all time have flaws.

 

[footylover18]

My point is that every movie has flaws. Even the best movies of all time have flaws.

Name a flaw in Shawshank Redemption.

 

[Skooks]

Christian Bale has a lisp.

I found it humorous...

 

[Cassius_Clay]

EVERY movie has flaws, and the media attention and Ledger's death has little, if anything to do with it.

Batman's voice is a very, very minor problem. Two-Face was slightly, and ever so slightly at that, underdone but only in the sense of his relationship with Dawes.

These are very minor issues though, and when you couple the brilliant dialogue, excellent pacing and gripping plot with Ledger putting in one of the best performances of all time, and an excellent supporting cast with Eckhardt and Oldman shining in particular - you get a potential top 10 movie in my opinion.

This could all look differently depending on the third film too.

The media attention surrounding the film was always going to impact on the viewers perception. Thats just a simple fact.

The Two Face part was rushed and really didnt fit into the script. Spoiled the film to a degree and should have been included in the next movie. Would have cut the time by about 20 minutes which I think would have made a big improvement.

All time great films dont have flaws. Usual suspects, Godfather 1 and 2, Pulp Fiction etc.

 

[triplejdude]

Name a flaw in Shawshank Redemption.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111161/goofs

 

[Karl Pilkington]

Name a flaw in Shawshank Redemption.

There's plenty. That movie is over-rated as hell.

 

[Major Colvin]

It's most certainly not one of the best 10 films ever. I think it's POSSIBLY the best comic book movie ever, but as i've said before, i think that's even debatable. I don't think Ledger's performance can be overrated. IMO that was prob the greatest on screen villain performance ever. Anyone prepared to name a better villain performance? Anthony Hopkins won an Oscar with 20mins of onscreen time in Silence of the Lambs. Ledger's performance was better. I'll be STUNNED if he isn't at least nominated.

I loved the original 1989 Batman movie. I don't think it's quite as tight as this though. Nicholson's Joker wasn't bad but did you truly believe that he was a ****ing psychopath? He wasn't scary at all, it seemed as if you could negotiate with him, he still seemed human. Ledger's Joker was the complete opposite, Ledger's Joker was one scary mother ****er.

I dont think anyone is doubting how good Ledger is in this film. As a said, I was never a big fan of Ledger, but this was one of the best acting performances I've seen. Also agree that this is easily the best Joker portrayed.

I think what made The Joker so good in this (acting aside) is that he is a complete unknown person who may as well of dropped out of the sky. There is no insight into his personal life or his past, unlike the original. Even the story behind his scars, he makes up two or three stories. In that regard his character undevelops, we know less about him than we initially did which makes him more chilling and mysterious.

The one thing I remember really disliking about the original Batman was that it never showed us how Batman became Batman. I thought that was a major flaw in the film.

Why did you find this a major flaw? I felt the revelation that his parents were killed in front of him (ultimately by The Joker) gave some hint that thsi was the beginning of him wanting retribution on criminals.

Also do you remember Bruce Wayne's love interest? She was ****ing horrendous.

LOL. Harsh. Kim Basinger was a such bad type back then was she?

When Alfred decided to bring her down to the batcave to reveal that Bruce Wayne was Batman she barely reacted. If I was in her shoes, i'd be pretty ****ing surprised. I also reckon there was too much of Batman and not enough of Bruce Wayne, and too little interaction between Batman and Joker. Michael Keaton did a v.good job as Batman though, and the original Batman certainly crapped over all the sequels (up until Nolan's work) that followed it

I felt the original was 'tighter.' The ending to TDK - there was too much happening. The Two-face storyline seemed rushed and unconvincing. There was basically two endings going on and this dodnt work for me. Also, no closure as to the Joker. The film had some great things in it but the overall result was a little disappointing.

 

[footylover18]

Yeh i agree with your last point. In fact that's the only MAJOR gripe i had about the film. The ending was not good at all, which is really disappointing because obviously you leave the theatre with that last 20mins so fresh. Imagine an ending where TwoFace is created but you don't really see anymore of him and then the finale is Joker being hauled into Arkham Asylum. That would ****ing rock. TwoFace is a pretty major Batman character and IMO he was not done justice at all. Should've been saved for the next film.

 

[Major Colvin]

The media attention surrounding the film was always going to impact on the viewers perception. Thats just a simple fact.

The Two Face part was rushed and really didnt fit into the script. Spoiled the film to a degree and should have been included in the next movie. Would have cut the time by about 20 minutes which I think would have made a big improvement.

All time great films dont have flaws. Usual suspects, Godfather 1 and 2, Pulp Fiction etc.

I seriously didnt read this before I made my post but I agree completely on this bit

 

[Cassius_Clay]

It's most certainly not one of the best 10 films ever. I think it's POSSIBLY the best comic book movie ever, but as i've said before, i think that's even debatable. I don't think Ledger's performance can be overrated. IMO that was prob the greatest on screen villain performance ever. Anyone prepared to name a better villain performance? Anthony Hopkins won an Oscar with 20mins of onscreen time in Silence of the Lambs. Ledger's performance was better. I'll be STUNNED if he isn't at least nominated.
.

Ledger will win the oscar. No doubt.

Great villans off the top of my head:

Max Cady (Robert De Niro) in Cape Fear
Jack Nicholson in The Shining

Perhaps not better but they're up there. It's too difficult to compare IMO. Does the make-up make it easier for Ledger?

I loved the original 1989 Batman movie. I don't think it's quite as tight as this though. Nicholson's Joker wasn't bad but did you truly believe that he was a ****ing psychopath? He wasn't scary at all, it seemed as if you could negotiate with him, he still seemed human. Ledger's Joker was the complete opposite, Ledger's Joker was one scary mother ****er.

I agree but they were suppose to be totally different. 89's joker was a truer interpretation of a classical joker. Ledger was definately the darker. They're almost totally different characters, so again difficult to compare.

 

[footylover18]

Ledger will win the oscar. No doubt.

Great villans off the top of my head:

Max Cady (Robert De Niro) in Cape Fear
Jack Nicholson in The Shining

Perhaps not better but they're up there. It's too difficult to compare IMO. Does the make-up make it easier for Ledger?


I agree but they were suppose to be totally different. 89's joker was a truer interpretation of a classical joker. Ledger was definately the darker. They're almost totally different characters, so again difficult to compare.

Nicholson as Jack Torrance is definately a contender for the title.

 

[Major Colvin]

I agree but they were suppose to be totally different. 89's joker was a truer interpretation of a classical joker. Ledger was definately the darker. They're almost totally different characters, so again difficult to compare.

The '89 version adhered the 'comic book' crowd expectation. This was much more '21st century'.

 

[Cassius_Clay]

I dont think anyone is doubting how good Ledger is in this film. As a said, I was never a big fan of Ledger, but this was one of the best acting performances I've seen. Also agree that this is easily the best Joker portrayed.

I think what made The Joker so good in this (acting aside) is that he is a complete unknown person who may as well of dropped out of the sky. There is no insight into his personal life or his past, unlike the original. Even the story behind his scars, he makes up two or three stories. In that regard his character undevelops, we know less about him than we initially did which makes him more chilling and mysterious.



Why did you find this a major flaw? I felt the revelation that his parents were killed in front of him (ultimately by The Joker) gave some hint that thsi was the beginning of him wanting retribution on criminals.



LOL. Harsh. Kim Basinger was a such bad type back then was she?



I felt the original was 'tighter.' The ending to TDK - there was too much happening. The Two-face storyline seemed rushed and unconvincing. There was basically two endings going on and this dodnt work for me. Also, no closure as to the Joker. The film had some great things in it but the overall result was a little disappointing.

I agree. They didnt have time to show how he became Batman and I dont think it was necessary. The way they showed the parents being killed was enough.

I just felt the 89 version was better all round. Didnt have the flaws that TDK had, but probably didnt have the great influence that Ledger had on TDK. And I agree that the ending was dissapointing. The 2 story lines just didnt work and I think they went for too much.