Movie The Dark Knight

[ManWithNoName]

Exactly. It's the whole point of the title 'The Dark Knight' - he does what Gotham needs, even if it might bring harm to himself. He puts the state ahead of the individual.

The quote Alfred said to Bruce was something like "You can take the fall. You can be what Gotham needs you to be. You can be the outsider."

 

[fairdinkum]

Watch the movie a second time, Batman is clearly being shown as weak by The Joker, because of his 'one rule' in that he won't kill. The Mafia boss even laughs at Batman, taunting him by saying that nobody will risk going against The Joker because they know he's more dangerous than Batman. Without fear, Batman is just a rich guy in a suit...

....Who happens to save innocent people's lives. I'd be quite happy to have a Batman patrolling the streets of Melbourne, even if he never killed the baddies.

Batman sees the opportunity to do two things at one time:

1. Cover up the Dent death and fall from Grace. The symbolism of Harvey Dent the hero was too important to let go, if it turned out that the one guy in the city who seemed to truly want to change it for the better, had fallen from grace and murdered 5 people out of revenge, all of Dent's work is undone. Batman taking the wrap gives Gotham some hope.

Hope? What hope? Their only 'true' hero is dead, and their 'super-hero' has (in their minds) been the one who killed him! What kind of hope is that?

2. Will give Batman back his aura of fear, the main weapon he uses against crime. Notice at the start of the movie how the low-level crims see the bat signal, and shit bricks?

Fear of what? A guy who will do their own dirty work and kill the one 'true hero' the town has who can actually put them away behind bars? If I were a crim in Gotham City and I learned that Batman was knocking off DA's, I'd be much more likely to rob a bank than if the super-DA was still in business.

You have to remember he's already dead when they make that decision. It isn't like they had a choice between keeping him alive and rehabilitating him or anything. He was dead. It was how he was going to be remembered that was in question. He can be remembered as a cop-killing, revenge seeking psychopath, or he can be remembered as Gotham's white knight, the man who died fighting the good fight.

Or he can be remembered as the hero DA who accidentally fell to his death, but was never beaten by a crim - Batman or otherwise.

Gives them a visible target, and a common enemy. Like say, Osama Bin Laden. It's all propaganda from Batman. He knows what he's doing, he's a fascist.

So instead of people worrying about the real problems of the city, Batman and Gordon would prefer they spend their days worrying whether they will be next on Batman's hit-list? How does anybody in the city benefit from that?

 

[Karl Pilkington]

I'm getting the feeling your arguing against the ending of the film for the sake of it. You're not exactly exhibiting any brilliant insight into the film, and honestly I think this is just because you didn't 'get' it the first time watching, and now you're embarassed that you didn't pick up on any of this.

Your arguments aren't strong enough, or based on anything, to warrant a response individually.

 

[fairdinkum]

I'm getting the feeling your arguing against the ending of the film for the sake of it.

And I get the feeling that a lot of people are proclaiming this film as 'brilliant' based almost solely on the performance of Ledger.

You're not exactly exhibiting any brilliant insight into the film, and honestly I think this is just because you didn't 'get' it the first time watching, and now you're embarassed that you didn't pick up on any of this.

This from a guy who reckons that Joker is Left-Winger? Please, if one of us should be embarrassed about their comments on this topic, it is you.

Your arguments aren't strong enough, or based on anything, to warrant a response individually.

I wouldn't expect a Batman fanboy to say anything otherwise.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

And I get the feeling that a lot of people are proclaiming this film as 'brilliant' based almost solely on the performance of Ledger.

And I'm saying that you clearly need to watch it again, if you choose, as you completely misread many of the themes the film touches on. Your opinion is baseless, and many of the things that you didn't comprehend, are explained properly. You might just have missed it the first time round.

One of your criticisms was that the film endorses authoritarian government, I was merely pointing out that wasn't the case. I'm sure you now see that the film does not endorse any such thing, right?

This from a guy who reckons that Joker is Left-Winger? Please, if one of us should be embarrassed about their comments on this topic, it is you.

Joker is an anarchist. Batman is a fascist. Joker wants to tear down the idea of any kind of society, whereas Batman thinks the society is more important than the individual, even if ti means infringing on the individuals rights. Would you like to argue against that? If not, please keep your uninspired, unintelligent ramblings on the film to yourself.

I wouldn't expect a Batman fanboy to say anything otherwise.

Who says I'm a fanboy? I just read a lot. And generally its the comic fans who hate the movie versions the most.

 

[davey_magik]

I <3 Christian Bale.

Gun.

 

[fairdinkum]

One of your criticisms was that the film endorses authoritarian government, I was merely pointing out that wasn't the case. I'm sure you now see that the film does not endorse any such thing, right?

Wrong.

Joker is an anarchist. Batman is a fascist. Joker wants to tear down the idea of any kind of society, whereas Batman thinks the society is more important than the individual, even if ti means infringing on the individuals rights. Would you like to argue against that? If not, please keep your uninspired, unintelligent ramblings on the film to yourself.

So what part of that makes Joker a 'Left-Winger'?

Who says I'm a fanboy? I just read a lot.

Well I've got some more reading for you to take a look at, fanboy:

Left-wing ideology
Authoritarianism
Wall Street Journal - What Bush and Batman Have in Common

 

[The Sultan]

Watch TDK on the weekend and it was worth the wait, Ledger was brilliant (better than Jack), the chick who played Rachelle Dawes was terrible glad she was blown up.

The only problem that i had was, as other have said that it prob ran 30min too long, also the two face story-arc should have been resolved in the next movie though they may go further into it if he's not really dead????

the way i see it is that the Joker should have blown the hospital up with dent inside, everyone thinks he is dead and the praise him for being a hero for the people etc, then done the joker and the ferry business joker is caught and then the final scene is dent/two face walking into the bar with the corrupt cop, show him flipping the coin, and then cut to black screen. after a few seconds a shot rings out....(but thats just me)

For the above to work then you would prob could not have all of the stuff where BM, going forward, is now a killer and is wanted by the police.....

PS- Joker is not left winger he is a anarchist, though anarchy can be classed as left wing his anarchy is based on total distruction of society on all levels. i.e. see the world burn.

 

[mr_cellotape]

Finally got around to seeing this. Not bad, but not amazing either.

Earth to screenwriters: enough with the 'faked death' plots. They're not surprisng. They're not clever. They're lazy writing.

And during that whole SWAT/hostages/dogs/sonar cluster**** scene at the end, I felt like I was watching a Matrix sequel, which isn't a good sign.

But those are only my two significant issues with it. Some of it was beautifully shot, Ledger and Eckhart were both great, and most of the dialogue was very good for a superhero movie.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

Wrong.



So what part of that makes Joker a 'Left-Winger'?



Well I've got some more reading for you to take a look at, fanboy:

Left-wing ideology
Authoritarianism
Wall Street Journal - What Bush and Batman Have in Common

Urgh, clearly you're not open to any opinion outside of your own - but trust me, the movie, and indeed the character, does not show authoritarianism or fascism, or even the main character, in a positive light. You're incapable of admitting you jumped the gun on a lot of your criticisms. I don't bother with close-minded types like yourself, welcome to the ignore list.

 

[fairdinkum]

Urgh, clearly you're not open to any opinion outside of your own - but trust me, the movie, and indeed the character, does not show authoritarianism or fascism, or even the main character, in a positive light. You're incapable of admitting you jumped the gun on a lot of your criticisms. I don't bother with close-minded types like yourself, welcome to the ignore list.

I'll take that unintelligent ramble as an implicit concession of defeat.

Good day.

 

[Kirk Hinrich #12]

this is the most overrated movie of all time

 

[Roobs321]

I dont know about all-time. But yeah, up there, an insane circus. The day it took No.1 on IMDB Top 250 is a sad day for mankind.

 

[jerry springer]

enjoyed it immensely

some people look too much into movies.in the end,its a guy running around in a cape beating up thugs

 

[Jabso]

I dont know about all-time. But yeah, up there, an insane circus. The day it took No.1 on IMDB Top 250 is a sad day for mankind.

1. IMDB is hardly a credible source for these sorts of things.
2. This always happens to any new good movie, especially popular ones. It will smooth out in a few months.

 

[Rod Stroker]

Saw it on the weekend, and overall I thought it was good, except for some continuity errors and the fact it was 45 mins longer than what it needed to be. The movie could have finished after the oil drum explosion scene. At that point the love interest was dead, Harvey had lost half his face and the Joker was still alive. And nothing had changed 45 minutes later. Seriously, they could have spared the whole "Harvey Two Face is born" spiel until the next one and not made me wait for three quarters of an hour with my bladder about to burst and my back teeth floating!

 

[Armitage2Riewoldt]

The fact that Ledger died probs made everyone think he/the movie was that much more amazing as well.

FWIW I loved it, wasn't expecting much but was blown away.

 

[ExTasDeeMan]

Great movie - but did anyone think that Alfred was in fact a recovering murderous arsonist who was repenting of his sins?

 

[Tony_Clifton]

I didn't like it except for when the joker was around. He was the only believable one to me. All the rest seemed like caricartures.

I can understand how this psychopath might paint his face and cause mayhem but what's batmans excuse.

He is a regular human who is apparently sane, he has no superpowers but chooses to go around fighting crime as a freakin bat. Thats a little bit camp if you ask me (even without his Robin). What was he thinking. And everyone kind of accepts that this crime vigilante likes to dress up as a bat as no big deal. Yeah Yeah he fights crime and is a bit of a hero but he dresses up as a freakin bat! Even a crossdressing vigilante would be easier to believe than a bat outfit.

Maybe just maybe he's working on an insanity defense or looking for a role on Boston Legal.

 

[kaysee]

I didn't like it except for when the joker was around. He was the only believable one to me. All the rest seemed like caricartures.

I can understand how this psychopath might paint his face and cause mayhem but what's batmans excuse.

He is a regular human who is apparently sane, he has no superpowers but chooses to go around fighting crime as a freakin bat. Thats a little bit camp if you ask me (even without his Robin). What was he thinking. And everyone kind of accepts that this crime vigilante likes to dress up as a bat as no big deal. Yeah Yeah he fights crime and is a bit of a hero but he dresses up as a freakin bat! Even a crossdressing vigilante would be easier to believe than a bat outfit...

Since TDK is a sequal I suggest you go and watch the 1st installment called "Batman Begins"... if for some reason you've already seen BB and are still raising these questions... then you are a fool!

 

[Arecsa]

It was great, and is absolutely printing money at this stage. But the hype it is getting on IMDB is completely absurd, the best movie ever? Really? Definitely the best super-hero movie though.

Heath was amazing, he played it perfectly. Christian Bale is my favourite actor, he always puts in a good performance, Michael Caine is a gun, and Aaron Eckhart was an excellent Harvey Dent. I think I would have preferred we had the Two-face reveal at the end of this movie and had him as the villain for the entire 3rd movie, not for just some of The Dark Knight. But it still turned out awesome, lets see if Nolan can top himself in a few years time.

ps. Take note Spiderman 3, you can do a superhero movie with more than one major villain without it falling flat and completely wasting the best villain of the series.

 

[The Sultan]

Great movie - but did anyone think that Alfred was in fact a recovering murderous arsonist who was repenting of his sins?

cut from wikipedia

. Despite Bruce Wayne's lifelong rebellion and frequent departure from home as shown in the film, Alfred never loses faith in his master. The novelization of the movie says he has a niece who lives outside London. He also has a flair for both sarcasm and fatherly banter, a frequent source for comic relief in the film. He's also a father figure to Bruce's childhood sweetheart, Assistant District Attorney Rachel Dawes. It would seem that this Alfred spent some time in the British military, and saw active duty in Burma.

 

[footyfreak]

Real life Joker arrest
Article from: The Daily Telegraph

July 29, 2008 12:00am

POLICE have arrested a real life Joker after he allegedly went on a stealing spree at a screening of the new Dark Knight movie.
Officers in Michigan arrested Spencer Taylor, 20, who they say tried to steal posters and other items related to the new Batman movie from a cinema lobby while dressed up as the Joker.

Detective Mike Mohney said Monday he expects Taylor to be charged with larceny and malicious destruction of property.

Taylor is scheduled to be arraigned Aug. 5 in St. Joseph County District Court.

Mohney says police officers who were dispatched early Sunday to the Three Rivers 6 theater arrived to find employees restraining a man wearing a purple suit, a green wig and face paint in the style of Batman's nemesis in "The Dark Knight."

what a ****wit

 

[TheGhostOfJohnBelushi]

I didn't like it except for when the joker was around. He was the only believable one to me. All the rest seemed like caricartures.

I can understand how this psychopath might paint his face and cause mayhem but what's batmans excuse.

He is a regular human who is apparently sane, he has no superpowers but chooses to go around fighting crime as a freakin bat. Thats a little bit camp if you ask me (even without his Robin). What was he thinking. And everyone kind of accepts that this crime vigilante likes to dress up as a bat as no big deal. Yeah Yeah he fights crime and is a bit of a hero but he dresses up as a freakin bat! Even a crossdressing vigilante would be easier to believe than a bat outfit.

Maybe just maybe he's working on an insanity defense or looking for a role on Boston Legal.

Why go see a Batman movie if you question the whole premise of dressing up like a bat?

 

[Godfrey Jones]

Why go see a Batman movie if you question the whole premise of dressing up like a bat?

hhaha yeh i laugh at that too...

tony clifton though, cool name