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The quote Alfred said to Bruce was something like "You can take the fall. You can be what Gotham needs you to be. You can be the outsider."
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Movie The Dark Knight
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....Who happens to save innocent people's lives. I'd be quite happy to have a Batman patrolling the streets of Melbourne, even if he never killed the baddies.
Hope? What hope? Their only 'true' hero is dead, and their 'super-hero' has (in their minds) been the one who killed him! What kind of hope is that?
Fear of what? A guy who will do their own dirty work and kill the one 'true hero' the town has who can actually put them away behind bars? If I were a crim in Gotham City and I learned that Batman was knocking off DA's, I'd be much more likely to rob a bank than if the super-DA was still in business.
Or he can be remembered as the hero DA who accidentally fell to his death, but was never beaten by a crim - Batman or otherwise.
So instead of people worrying about the real problems of the city, Batman and Gordon would prefer they spend their days worrying whether they will be next on Batman's hit-list? How does anybody in the city benefit from that?
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I'm getting the feeling your arguing against the ending of the film for the sake of it. You're not exactly exhibiting any brilliant insight into the film, and honestly I think this is just because you didn't 'get' it the first time watching, and now you're embarassed that you didn't pick up on any of this.
Your arguments aren't strong enough, or based on anything, to warrant a response individually.
Your arguments aren't strong enough, or based on anything, to warrant a response individually.
And I get the feeling that a lot of people are proclaiming this film as 'brilliant' based almost solely on the performance of Ledger.
This from a guy who reckons that Joker is Left-Winger?
Please, if one of us should be embarrassed about their comments on this topic, it is you. I wouldn't expect a Batman fanboy to say anything otherwise.
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And I'm saying that you clearly need to watch it again, if you choose, as you completely misread many of the themes the film touches on. Your opinion is baseless, and many of the things that you didn't comprehend, are explained properly. You might just have missed it the first time round.
One of your criticisms was that the film endorses authoritarian government, I was merely pointing out that wasn't the case. I'm sure you now see that the film does not endorse any such thing, right?
This from a guy who reckons that Joker is Left-Winger?
Joker is an anarchist. Batman is a fascist. Joker wants to tear down the idea of any kind of society, whereas Batman thinks the society is more important than the individual, even if ti means infringing on the individuals rights. Would you like to argue against that? If not, please keep your uninspired, unintelligent ramblings on the film to yourself.
Who says I'm a fanboy? I just read a lot. And generally its the comic fans who hate the movie versions the most.
I <3 Christian Bale.
Gun.
Gun.
Wrong.
So what part of that makes Joker a 'Left-Winger'?
Well I've got some more reading for you to take a look at, fanboy:
Left-wing ideology
Authoritarianism
Wall Street Journal - What Bush and Batman Have in Common
The Sultan
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Watch TDK on the weekend and it was worth the wait, Ledger was brilliant (better than Jack), the chick who played Rachelle Dawes was terrible glad she was blown up.
The only problem that i had was, as other have said that it prob ran 30min too long, also the two face story-arc should have been resolved in the next movie though they may go further into it if he's not really dead????
the way i see it is that the Joker should have blown the hospital up with dent inside, everyone thinks he is dead and the praise him for being a hero for the people etc, then done the joker and the ferry business joker is caught and then the final scene is dent/two face walking into the bar with the corrupt cop, show him flipping the coin, and then cut to black screen. after a few seconds a shot rings out....(but thats just me)
For the above to work then you would prob could not have all of the stuff where BM, going forward, is now a killer and is wanted by the police.....
PS- Joker is not left winger he is a anarchist, though anarchy can be classed as left wing his anarchy is based on total distruction of society on all levels. i.e. see the world burn.
The only problem that i had was, as other have said that it prob ran 30min too long, also the two face story-arc should have been resolved in the next movie though they may go further into it if he's not really dead????
the way i see it is that the Joker should have blown the hospital up with dent inside, everyone thinks he is dead and the praise him for being a hero for the people etc, then done the joker and the ferry business joker is caught and then the final scene is dent/two face walking into the bar with the corrupt cop, show him flipping the coin, and then cut to black screen. after a few seconds a shot rings out....(but thats just me)
For the above to work then you would prob could not have all of the stuff where BM, going forward, is now a killer and is wanted by the police.....
PS- Joker is not left winger he is a anarchist, though anarchy can be classed as left wing his anarchy is based on total distruction of society on all levels. i.e. see the world burn.
Finally got around to seeing this. Not bad, but not amazing either.
Earth to screenwriters: enough with the 'faked death' plots. They're not surprisng. They're not clever. They're lazy writing.
And during that whole SWAT/hostages/dogs/sonar cluster**** scene at the end, I felt like I was watching a Matrix sequel, which isn't a good sign.
But those are only my two significant issues with it. Some of it was beautifully shot, Ledger and Eckhart were both great, and most of the dialogue was very good for a superhero movie.
Earth to screenwriters: enough with the 'faked death' plots. They're not surprisng. They're not clever. They're lazy writing.
And during that whole SWAT/hostages/dogs/sonar cluster**** scene at the end, I felt like I was watching a Matrix sequel, which isn't a good sign.
But those are only my two significant issues with it. Some of it was beautifully shot, Ledger and Eckhart were both great, and most of the dialogue was very good for a superhero movie.
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Urgh, clearly you're not open to any opinion outside of your own - but trust me, the movie, and indeed the character, does not show authoritarianism or fascism, or even the main character, in a positive light. You're incapable of admitting you jumped the gun on a lot of your criticisms. I don't bother with close-minded types like yourself, welcome to the ignore list.
I'll take that unintelligent ramble as an implicit concession of defeat.
Good day.
this is the most overrated movie of all time
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some people look too much into movies.in the end,its a guy running around in a cape beating up thugs
some people look too much into movies.in the end,its a guy running around in a cape beating up thugs
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1. IMDB is hardly a credible source for these sorts of things.
2. This always happens to any new good movie, especially popular ones. It will smooth out in a few months.
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Saw it on the weekend, and overall I thought it was good, except for some continuity errors and the fact it was 45 mins longer than what it needed to be. The movie could have finished after the oil drum explosion scene. At that point the love interest was dead, Harvey had lost half his face and the Joker was still alive. And nothing had changed 45 minutes later. Seriously, they could have spared the whole "Harvey Two Face is born" spiel until the next one and not made me wait for three quarters of an hour with my bladder about to burst and my back teeth floating!
The fact that Ledger died probs made everyone think he/the movie was that much more amazing as well.
FWIW I loved it, wasn't expecting much but was blown away.
FWIW I loved it, wasn't expecting much but was blown away.
ExTasDeeMan
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Great movie - but did anyone think that Alfred was in fact a recovering murderous arsonist who was repenting of his sins?
I didn't like it except for when the joker was around. He was the only believable one to me. All the rest seemed like caricartures.
I can understand how this psychopath might paint his face and cause mayhem but what's batmans excuse.
He is a regular human who is apparently sane, he has no superpowers but chooses to go around fighting crime as a freakin bat. Thats a little bit camp if you ask me (even without his Robin). What was he thinking. And everyone kind of accepts that this crime vigilante likes to dress up as a bat as no big deal. Yeah Yeah he fights crime and is a bit of a hero but he dresses up as a freakin bat! Even a crossdressing vigilante would be easier to believe than a bat outfit.
Maybe just maybe he's working on an insanity defense or looking for a role on Boston Legal.
I can understand how this psychopath might paint his face and cause mayhem but what's batmans excuse.
He is a regular human who is apparently sane, he has no superpowers but chooses to go around fighting crime as a freakin bat. Thats a little bit camp if you ask me (even without his Robin). What was he thinking. And everyone kind of accepts that this crime vigilante likes to dress up as a bat as no big deal. Yeah Yeah he fights crime and is a bit of a hero but he dresses up as a freakin bat! Even a crossdressing vigilante would be easier to believe than a bat outfit.
Maybe just maybe he's working on an insanity defense or looking for a role on Boston Legal.
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Since TDK is a sequal I suggest you go and watch the 1st installment called "Batman Begins"... if for some reason you've already seen BB and are still raising these questions... then you are a fool!
It was great, and is absolutely printing money at this stage. But the hype it is getting on IMDB is completely absurd, the best movie ever? Really? Definitely the best super-hero movie though.
Heath was amazing, he played it perfectly. Christian Bale is my favourite actor, he always puts in a good performance, Michael Caine is a gun, and Aaron Eckhart was an excellent Harvey Dent. I think I would have preferred we had the Two-face reveal at the end of this movie and had him as the villain for the entire 3rd movie, not for just some of The Dark Knight. But it still turned out awesome, lets see if Nolan can top himself in a few years time.
ps. Take note Spiderman 3, you can do a superhero movie with more than one major villain without it falling flat and completely wasting the best villain of the series.
Heath was amazing, he played it perfectly. Christian Bale is my favourite actor, he always puts in a good performance, Michael Caine is a gun, and Aaron Eckhart was an excellent Harvey Dent. I think I would have preferred we had the Two-face reveal at the end of this movie and had him as the villain for the entire 3rd movie, not for just some of The Dark Knight. But it still turned out awesome, lets see if Nolan can top himself in a few years time.
ps. Take note Spiderman 3, you can do a superhero movie with more than one major villain without it falling flat and completely wasting the best villain of the series.
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Real life Joker arrest
Article from: The Daily Telegraph
July 29, 2008 12:00am
POLICE have arrested a real life Joker after he allegedly went on a stealing spree at a screening of the new Dark Knight movie.
Officers in Michigan arrested Spencer Taylor, 20, who they say tried to steal posters and other items related to the new Batman movie from a cinema lobby while dressed up as the Joker.
Detective Mike Mohney said Monday he expects Taylor to be charged with larceny and malicious destruction of property.
Taylor is scheduled to be arraigned Aug. 5 in St. Joseph County District Court.
Mohney says police officers who were dispatched early Sunday to the Three Rivers 6 theater arrived to find employees restraining a man wearing a purple suit, a green wig and face paint in the style of Batman's nemesis in "The Dark Knight."
what a ****wit
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Why go see a Batman movie if you question the whole premise of dressing up like a bat?
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