WikiLeaks The enemy within

[rayven]

Gingrich was asked about Assange’s statement that Clinton should resign, due to the practice of having diplomats gather intelligence.
“Two quick thoughts: The WikiLeaks guy should be in jail for the rest of his life,” said Gingrich. “He is an enemy of the United States, actively endangering people, and he’s gonna get a lot of folks killed. And I think that’s a despicable act, and we should treat him as an enemy combatant, and as an absolute enemy of the United States.”

http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,7162.msg26038.html#msg26038


Where's Mr Rudd and Ms Gillard now? Guy could be president in just over a year and this is clear fundemental attack on Australian freedoms and liberties and DEMOCRACY!

 

[Goat 53]

It's not like the US engaging in concocted military campaigns under the guise of spreading democracy is getting people killed, nope, it's the bloke who exposes the underlying disingenuousness of these creeps.

Gingrich once claimed that it was men like him who were the difference between "us and Auschwitz". I'd have thought quite the opposite. They'd have the camps with queues of people they didn't like the look of waiting for the gas chambers if they could get away with it.

 

[Admiral Byng]

Meh - Assange is a low-life scum trying to big-note himself as if he's someone important.

 

[OldBlueFan]

Meh - Assange is a low-life scum trying to big-note himself as if he's someone important.

Yep, that's right, cos it's all about Assange and not at all about the information that Wikileaks has brought to light.

 

[Admiral Byng]

Yep, that's right, cos it's all about Assange and not at all about the information that Wikileaks has brought to light.

Glad we agree...

 

[tesseract]

Gingrich obviously has scant regard for the intelligence of the average American and their ability to understand how ironic his statement is because he's an enemy of the USA, too. He stands for global governance.

 

[Old Skool]

http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,7162.msg26038.html#msg26038


Where's Mr Rudd and Ms Gillard now? Guy could be president in just over a year and this is clear fundemental attack on Australian freedoms and liberties and DEMOCRACY!

Huh?

What are these things you speak of?

 

[blackcat]

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Where's Mr Rudd and Ms Gillard now? Guy could be president in just over a year and this is clear fundemental attack on Australian freedoms and liberties and DEMOCRACY!

irony. But then again, read Falafel guy, John Birmingham. No, not the 1am vendor on Brunswick Street.

basically, Birmingham sez the same 2 newt http://www.themonthly.com.au/julian-assange-s-wikileaks-man-who-fell-earth-john-birmingham-2789

#Day_my_Voice_brokez

 

[rayven]

If you publish a paper on DNA, you are required, by all the good biological journals, to submit the data that has informed your research – the idea being that people will replicate it, check it, verify it. So this is something that needs to be done for journalism as well. There is an immediate power imbalance, in that readers are unable to verify what they are being told, and that leads to abuse.

http://www.themonthly.com.au/julian-assange-s-wikileaks-man-who-fell-earth-john-birmingham-2789

Bullies are irational and never consistent. So they label the Assanges who ask of them questions they can not answer without exposing the feeble nature of them, as the crimanals..

I lost all respect for this country when its citizens who are promoting the ideals we are told we live by are basicly condemed to death by Leaders of other nations because of it and we remain silent about it.

But get caught scoring dope in a bali brothel...

 

[HahnPremium]

irony. But then again, read Falafel guy, John Birmingham. No, not the 1am vendor on Brunswick Street.

basically, Birmingham sez the same 2 newt http://www.themonthly.com.au/julian-assange-s-wikileaks-man-who-fell-earth-john-birmingham-2789

#Day_my_Voice_brokez

TLDidR.
Birmingham is the flakiest of flakes.
Regardless of the subject matter, this hack has made a career of fail in trying to pithily (but in his view-intelligently and with great insight) document the impact of the internet.
Falafel bloke should go back to doing what he knows best-writing a sequel to his inane nerd share house chick-lit. Mebbe tell us the real story john.

"Weekend at falafel 2. Still moaning that I have not been accepted as Australia's Hunter S Thompson and slowly the fact is dawning that I am not and will never be Hunter S Thompson so I will try and be PJ. O'Rourke instead. Mate."

 

[blackcat]

"Weekend at falafel 2. Still moaning that I have not been accepted as Australia's Hunter S Thompson and slowly the fact is dawning that I am not and will never be Hunter S Thompson so I will try and be PJ. O'Rourke instead. Mate."

"thinking about going back to Canberra and working for the Defence Dep't to get new material. Might even score some plum foreign gig as a bureaucrat in a foreign consulate as cover for ASIO. I might be able to sample some mad proper hommus and felafel in Beruit, and get the to the bottom of who killed Raffik Hariri. I hear the opium dens in Beruit are the bomb so Noah Taylor and eye can chew on the hookah and chase the dragon."

 

[Admiral Byng]

Bullies are irational and never consistent. So they label the Assanges who ask of them questions they can not answer without exposing the feeble nature of them, as the crimanals..

I lost all respect for this country when its citizens who are promoting the ideals we are told we live by are basicly condemed to death by Leaders of other nations because of it and we remain silent about it.

But get caught scoring dope in a bali brothel...

I don't think Assange is doing a very good job of being the guardian of my freedom and democratic principles. I think he is a loose canon who lacks good judgement. I'd like to vote him out and replace him with someone else. But since he is unelected and won't go of his own accord, we'll have to use force to remove him.

 

[Truckosaurus]

Pot, kettle, etc. Proof that there are nutjobs at either end of the political spectrum.

 

[Monniehawk]

Bullies are irational and never consistent. So they label the Assanges who ask of them questions they can not answer without exposing the feeble nature of them, as the crimanals...

Gingrich's comments mouth those of quite a few who fear a form of power leaking from the status quo.
Demonise them if you can't mount a credible argument.

I don't think Assange is doing a very good job of being the guardian of my freedom and democratic principles. I think he is a loose canon who lacks good judgement. I'd like to vote him out and replace him with someone else. But since he is unelected and won't go of his own accord, we'll have to use force to remove him.

Possible, but unlikely. I think he is generally rational and idealistic. Can you elaborate where he is failing to guard your freedom and democracy?
It is the patent hypocrisy of Newt and others (who have been exposed as manipulators and deceivers while treating the public as gullible fools) affecting outrage that the leaked information is somehow noble and beyond scrutiny, then railing against WikiLeaks as though it is akin to al-Qaeda.
Newt, Nuke, then nuetralise?

 

[Admiral Byng]

Possible, but unlikely. I think he is generally rational and idealistic. Can you elaborate where he is failing to guard your freedom and democracy?
It is the patent hypocrisy of Newt and others (who have been exposed as manipulators and deceivers while treating the public as gullible fools) affecting outrage that the leaked information is somehow noble and beyond scrutiny, then railing against WikiLeaks as though it is akin to al-Qaeda.
Newt, Nuke, then nuetralise?

You missed the smilie - which indicates it was a joke post.

But if you want a serious issue out of it - why is his judgement better than that of our elected representatives? Sometime we want to appear to be friendly and non-threatening to other states - giving them the benefit of the doubt, but we keep our eyes and ears open and express our doubts in private out of earshot of the subject. I do it in my business life and private life, nations do it too. Why should someone like Assange think he has the right to expose all the diplomatic cables which are the equivalent of a nation's private thoughts and doubts? He risks doing more harm than good.

 

[blackcat]

"Weekend at falafel 2. Still moaning that I have not been accepted as Australia's Hunter S Thompson and slowly the fact is dawning that I am not and will never be Hunter S Thompson so I will try and be PJ. O'Rourke instead. Mate."

"thinking about going back to Canberra and working for the Defence Dep't to get new material. Might even score some plum foreign gig as a bureaucrat in a foreign consulate as cover for ASIO. I might be able to sample some mad proper hommus and felafel in Beruit, and get the to the bottom of who killed Raffik Hariri. I hear the opium dens in Beruit are the bomb so Noah Taylor and eye can chew on the hookah and chase the dragon."

"Has anyone got Fisk's mobile number? I might hook up with Fiskie and prowl Beruit like a bonafide local, and paint the town red like the 83 Beruit US barracks. Fiskie does a great impersonation on LAteline of knowing everyone and being an envoy in a British Raj."

 

[Slax]

But if you want a serious issue out of it - why is his judgement better than that of our elected representatives? Sometime we want to appear to be friendly and non-threatening to other states - giving them the benefit of the doubt, but we keep our eyes and ears open and express our doubts in private out of earshot of the subject. I do it in my business life and private life, nations do it too. Why should someone like Assange think he has the right to expose all the diplomatic cables which are the equivalent of a nation's private thoughts and doubts? He risks doing more harm than good.

Working on this theory then Watergate story should never of been published either.

The publication of the documents is purely that, it is up to indiviuals to decide what they want to read and what they want to believe. WQhilst elected officials do have a duty of care to keep some correspondence confidential, if it wasn't for the likes of journalists like Assange then they wouldn't release anything. Calling him an enemy combatant just goes to show how p***ed off the US are that someone leaked.

The number of people who would of suffered physical harm directly related to the documents posted on Wikileaks would be less than the number of Pakistani soldiers the US killed at the border checkpoint recently.

 

[rayven]

Firstly all those argueing for the case Andrew Bolt put up in defence of his comments are MIA on this issue...

Secondly alot of people are doing exactly what Assange is trying to adress, They believe religously what their leaders say and don't bother investigating the facts for themselves....Here you have assange offering information that is relevant and true for people to be better informed and it was rooservelt who said that democracy only works when its citizens are informed.


Today the issue got merkier and the irational almost facist nature of the USA more evident with the end of the war in Iraq and the trial of Bradley Manning for actions during that war he was a combatant of.

POW's get released after wars...normaly....

 

[Pie eyed]

I don't think Assange is doing a very good job of being the guardian of my freedom and democratic principles. I think he is a loose canon who lacks good judgement. I'd like to vote him out and replace him with someone else. But since he is unelected and won't go of his own accord, we'll have to use force to remove him.

How has anything Assange has released in any way detracted from your freedom?
You would not even be free to discuss the numerous issues his site raised without their publication.
You would be "happily"ignorant.
Nothing else would have changed except you would not be aware of what is happening.
Don't you think you have a right to know how those you elect carryout their duties?

 

[rayven]

That morning, a military convoy of four vehicles was heading to an outpost in Haditha when one of the vehicles was hit by a roadside bomb.

Several Marines got out to attend to the wounded, including one who eventually died, while others looked for insurgents who might have set off the bomb. Within a few hours 24 Iraqis — including a 76-year-old man and children between the ages of 3 and 15 — were killed, many inside their homes.

Townspeople contended that the Marines overreacted to the attack and shot civilians, only one of whom was armed. The Marines said they thought they were under attack.

When the initial reports arrived saying more than 20 civilians had been killed in Haditha, the Marines receiving them said they were not surprised by the high civilian death toll.

Assange brought this sought of stuff to light and, you know our goverement has abandoned him....

http://www.truth-out.org/secret-accounts-iraq-massacre-found-junk-yard/1323961138

I mean, whether it’s a result of our action or other action, you know, discovering 20 bodies, throats slit, 20 bodies, you know, beheaded, 20 bodies here, 20 bodies there,” Col. Thomas Cariker, a commander in Anbar Province at the time, told investigators as he described the chaos of Iraq. At times, he said, deaths were caused by “grenade attacks on a checkpoint and, you know, collateral with civilians.”

The 400 pages of interrogations, once closely guarded as secrets of war, were supposed to have been destroyed as the last American troops prepare to leave Iraq. Instead, they were discovered along with reams of other classified documents, including military maps showing helicopter routes and radar capabilities, by a reporter for The New York Times at a junkyard outside Baghdad. An attendant was burning them as fuel to cook a dinner of smoked carp.

Shouldn't who ever allowed this out be an enemy of the state as well?

 

[The_Reaper]

Nice to see Assange prove his commitment to a fully democratic and free future

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/lifestyle/01/27/12/wikileaks-founder-host-kremlin-funded-tv-show

 

[blackcat]

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[blackcat]

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hindsight is 2020, so, if you gotta wait 8 more years, but this shoulda really be a thread title reserved for a psychoanalytic appraisal of Greg Norman and his fancy for BDSM and auto asphyxiation by the 18th green in Augusta

 

[EagleMan87]

Gingrich obviously has scant regard for the intelligence of the average American and their ability to understand how ironic his statement is because he's an enemy of the USA, too. He stands for global governance.

Honestly though, is there such thing as a 'global majority'? Both 'parties' all, if the USA actually followed a Constitutional Democracy) will play their respective biggest fears against each other.

 

[Old Skool]

http://wikileaksaustraliancitizensa...er-rob-stary-slams-the-australian-government/