The Finals - Week 1

[Ahuitzotl]

They seem like great p!ss-takers, the South Aussie police. You'd be hoping they still have their sense of humour when they pull you up for something.

Especially if you are carrying some sealed plastic barrels...

 

[BIGGUS 64]

Especially if you are carrying some sealed plastic barrels...

lol Nice!

 

[Iamcarlton]

Polec initially grabbed him on shoulder/lat and Shuey tried to shrug it off and Polec continued the motion. It's a high tackle.


We interchange the terms all the time but possessions are not disposals and vice versa.

Keep looking Shuey as Shuey does was not trying to break the tackle he was looking for a free kick by encouraging the tackle to go high which he has down to a fine art and eventuated . Also think you will find the rules committee changed the interpretation of this ruling this year for the Selwoods and Shueys of the world that states a player shall not lift the arms to encourage a tackle to go high . If the arms are raised when tackled thus encouraging a high tackle a play on call is deemed . Problem as is always the umpires get it right on occasion but by in large are not consistent . In the case of these players mentioned are still nowhere near stamping their tactics out . Wasnt the reason Port lost that was their own fault but also was not a free kick .

 

[Jimmae]

Keep looking Shuey as Shuey does was not trying to break the tackle he was looking for a free kick by encouraging the tackle to go high which he has down to a fine art and eventuated . Also think you will find the rules committee changed the interpretation of this ruling this year for the Selwoods and Shueys of the world that states a player shall not lift the arms to encourage a tackle to go high . If the arms are raised when tackled thus encouraging a high tackle a play on call is deemed . Problem as is always the umpires get it right on occasion but by in large are not consistent . In the case of these players mentioned are still nowhere near stamping their tactics out . Wasnt the reason Port lost that was their own fault but also was not a free kick .

I agree with what you're saying in terms of cracking down on that behaviour and who the regular offenders were, but Shuey didn't duck, dive or try to force high contact.

Polec was trying to use his arms like a seatbelt and Shuey made no attempt to roll or knock Polec's arm into a high contact area, just shrug the tackle without lifting the arm.

I've seen Mitchell and Judd break tackles in a similar way through their careers and it reflects a sloppy tackle at an awkward height for fending or ducking the tackle.

 

[Neese]

They seem like great p!ss-takers, the South Aussie police. You'd be hoping they still have their sense of humour when they pull you up for something.

Sometimes

 

[Neese]

I know the free kick was there but if that was Carlton I'd ******* set fire to something big.

I would be both upset and angry. What a horrible end to their season

 

[Iamcarlton]

I agree with what you're saying in terms of cracking down on that behaviour and who the regular offenders were, but Shuey didn't duck, dive or try to force high contact.

Polec was trying to use his arms like a seatbelt and Shuey made no attempt to roll or knock Polec's arm into a high contact area, just shrug the tackle without lifting the arm.

I've seen Mitchell and Judd break tackles in a similar way through their careers and it reflects a sloppy tackle at an awkward height for fending or ducking the tackle.

Ok we must be watching a different incident coz Shuey as he does best lifted his arm when tackled as shown in the many replays and the arm slipped high because of that . Agree with you on other players yes many do it as its been allowed to creep into the game for quite awhile . Our own Marc Murphy does the same at times also but Shuey and a few others are serial offenders of this action .

 

[ParapMarkets]

I agree with what you're saying in terms of cracking down on that behaviour and who the regular offenders were, but Shuey didn't duck, dive or try to force high contact.

Polec was trying to use his arms like a seatbelt and Shuey made no attempt to roll or knock Polec's arm into a high contact area, just shrug the tackle without lifting the arm.

I've seen Mitchell and Judd break tackles in a similar way through their careers and it reflects a sloppy tackle at an awkward height for fending or ducking the tackle.

I don't know how you can watch the incident and not see him raise his arm. Watch the slow motion replay, the tackle was only forced high because Shuey raised his arm. It's not even debatable imo.

 

[The Bighouse]

Ok we must be watching a different incident coz Shuey as he does best lifted his arm when tackled as shown in the many replays and the arm slipped high because of that . Agree with you on other players yes many do it as its been allowed to creep into the game for quite awhile . Our own Marc Murphy does the same at times also but Shuey and a few others are serial offenders of this action .

Mathieson, J. Selwood, Shuey, McLean lead the pack.

 

[Jimmae]

I don't know how you can watch the incident and not see him raise his arm. Watch the slow motion replay, the tackle was only forced high because Shuey raised his arm. It's not even debatable imo.

What I said is he didn't lift his arm above his shoulder.

The way I see it, he had three options given he didn't back himself to make a second side step:

1. Shoulder charge Polec, likely resulting in a free kick for too high anyway, but he'd get clotheslined in the process

2. Fend off with his hand, but Polec closed too quickly to wrap him up so he would never have been able to get the leverage to break or disrupt the tackle while staying within the laws of the game

3. Exactly what he did, which was use his shoulder to brace the blow similar to a shoulder charge, but then - acknowledging the rule change to ban him locking his opponents arm - he rolled his shoulder free

By rolling his shoulder free, he broke the first motion Polec made and broke the tackle. Polec then changed direction and made a second tackle attempt but didn't re-position his right arm when he re-positioned his body, despite having no grip below the shoulder.

Polec could have held on with his left arm and gone under Shuey's right, then brought him to ground without slinging him, or he could have held him to force him to drop the ball one-handed and kick, or he could have provided an opportunity for SPP to help gang-tackle him.

He did none of those things, and he re-gained his grip on the right at Shuey's neck. This is the new rule doing exactly what it should, and Shuey punishing Polec for a sloppy tackle without forcing him to make contact.

I cannot make it any clearer than that. He's obviously put some thought into it at training, but he's not breaking the rules, nor is he in a morally grey area within the context of the sport IMO.

 

[Neese]

Also the umpire has to make his decision in real time not after watching it in slow motion and from 10 angles

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Ports clock management in the back end of EXT 2 was rubbish.

 

[ParapMarkets]

What I said is he didn't lift his arm above his shoulder.

The way I see it, he had three options given he didn't back himself to make a second side step:

1. Shoulder charge Polec, likely resulting in a free kick for too high anyway, but he'd get clotheslined in the process

2. Fend off with his hand, but Polec closed too quickly to wrap him up so he would never have been able to get the leverage to break or disrupt the tackle while staying within the laws of the game

3. Exactly what he did, which was use his shoulder to brace the blow similar to a shoulder charge, but then - acknowledging the rule change to ban him locking his opponents arm - he rolled his shoulder free

By rolling his shoulder free, he broke the first motion Polec made and broke the tackle. Polec then changed direction and made a second tackle attempt but didn't re-position his right arm when he re-positioned his body, despite having no grip below the shoulder.

Polec could have held on with his left arm and gone under Shuey's right, then brought him to ground without slinging him, or he could have held him to force him to drop the ball one-handed and kick, or he could have provided an opportunity for SPP to help gang-tackle him.

He did none of those things, and he re-gained his grip on the right at Shuey's neck. This is the new rule doing exactly what it should, and Shuey punishing Polec for a sloppy tackle without forcing him to make contact.

I cannot make it any clearer than that. He's obviously put some thought into it at training, but he's not breaking the rules, nor is he in a morally grey area within the context of the sport IMO.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this, the tackle was all in the one motion imo. Shuey is allowed to try and shrug a tackle, he just shouldn't be rewarded with a free kick for it. Jordan Lewis mentioned that the players were informed at the start of the season that this type of Shuey free kick wouldn't be payed.

 

[Wickzki]

Good God, the rugby league is a dying code.

46,323 at the SCG to watch an AFL final that was expected to be a blow out.

This weekends Finals Crowds for the NRL:

Melbourne Storm vs Parramatta Eels @ AAMI Park - 22,626

Sydney Roosters vs Brisbane Broncos @ Allianz Stadium - 21,212

Manly Sea Eagles vs Penrith Panthers @ Allianz Stadium - 15,408

Cronulla Sharks vs North Queensland Cowboys @ Allianz Stadium - 16,115

Combine the two biggest NRL finals crowds and you're still 9,703 shy of the AFL final in the same city. This is over 60% of the third final as well.

 

[Wickzki]

We'll have to agree to disagree on this, the tackle was all in the one motion imo. Shuey is allowed to try and shrug a tackle, he just shouldn't be rewarded with a free kick for it. Jordan Lewis mentioned that the players were informed at the start of the season that this type of Shuey free kick wouldn't be payed.

Correct call by the umpire.

If it hadn't have been called West Coast would have been right to be pissed off. In my opinion, Shuey's action couldn't possibly be perceived as ducking or playing for a free kick.

Was hoping Port would win but they choked all year against anything resembling a competitive side.

 

[thylacine60]

I don't know how you can watch the incident and not see him raise his arm. Watch the slow motion replay, the tackle was only forced high because Shuey raised his arm. It's not even debatable imo.

then why are you debating it? you'll love this:

AFL says high contact free kick to Luke Shuey was correct, in West Coast's extra time win over Port Adelaide

 

[Jabba73]

then why are you debating it? you'll love this:

AFL says high contact free kick to Luke Shuey was correct, in West Coast's extra time win over Port Adelaide

To be fair, they were hardly likely to come out and declare the wrong team was progressing because of an umpiring error

 

[passmark]

When I saw it I thought it was a free kick.

I was just surprised the ump paid it. Quite a brave decision really.

 

[thylacine60]

To be fair, they were hardly likely to come out and declare the wrong team was progressing because of an umpiring error

well der......

 

[Azul]

Umpires got it wrong, move on, Port were never going to beat GWS anyway.

 

[Wickzki]

Umpires got it wrong, move on, Port were never going to beat GWS anyway.

But did they though? Thought they got it right.

Was nowhere near as bad as the Glass-Walker non-paid free from a few years back.

 

[I bleed Blue]

Shuey's arm doesn't need to go that high. In the momentum of the tackle Polec's arm will slide up without Shuey having to lift his arm above his shoulder.

I'll ask again, what was Polec meant to do? Because apart from release his grip mid-tackle there was nothing else he could do. He initially made contact at around chest height and so the free shouldn't have been paid.

Shuey has every right to try to break the tackle.... up to the tackler not to go high.
Polec should have aimed for the hips. Simple.

Sloppy tackle. Free kick every day.

 

[LanceRomance]

Ports clock management in the back end of EXT 2 was rubbish.

Lol yeah.

Up by 13 in extra time trolol

 

[LanceRomance]

One thing that really annoyed me was that pittard? Or was it lang Jones? Pushed over the weagles player over in the goal square and didn't give away a free.

Brought back raw memories of marcus davies doing it and giving away a double goal.

 

[ODNBlue]

One thing that really annoyed me was that pittard? Or was it lang Jones? Pushed over the weagles player over in the goal square and didn't give away a free.

Brought back raw memories of marcus davies doing it and giving away a double goal.

Agreed. Not only was it not a free kick in the first place, it should have been immediately reversed.