Mega Thread The Flat Earth Mega thread.

[Total Power]

you can see a structure, lights, in the sky. that does not mean that there are these men inside of it who're magically floating in 'zero gravity'. the only evidence you have for men inside those lights is video footage i.e. you must be taking it on faith.

So how do satellites work smartass if no one flew there? how does GPS work?

 

[BrewSmackerVeiny]

So how do satellites work smartass if no one flew there? how does GPS work?

Something like GPS can work with a ground based system using exactly the same principles.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/nasa-and-the-u-s-air-force-test-a-new-ground-based-gps/

Conventional GPS determines location by measuring the time it takes for a signal to travel from a transmitting satellite in medium Earth orbit to a receiver. Three such readings from three separate satellites triangulate a location in 2-D space (longitude and latitude); a fourth signal lets the system assess 3-D space (altitude). Each satellite carries four atomic clocks that are synchronized twice daily with a master clock in Colorado Springs, Colo. The blind-spot problem presents itself simply: if a user moves out of the satellites' sight lines, the signal is lost.

 

[exe ex machina]

Something like GPS can work with a ground based system using exactly the same principles.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/nasa-and-the-u-s-air-force-test-a-new-ground-based-gps/

I've only told him 500 times it's all ground based, why regional areas don't get good reception -- but everything should if there were satellites in space.

But he keeps asking, and asking, the same question.

Maybe you'll have better luck this time

 

[Werewolf]

Military planes seem to do just fine flying over the Antarctic.

There are many different compositions of jet fuel, some with lower freezing points, others with high flash points

 

[Total Power]

Something like GPS can work with a ground based system using exactly the same principles.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/nasa-and-the-u-s-air-force-test-a-new-ground-based-gps/

What do you mean? when you are using google earth, you can exactly see where you are from the satellite. How do you think the US and the CIA try to get information on nuclear weapons in middle east north korea? check the images, they are all from Sat nagivation system.

 

[Total Power]

I've only told him 500 times it's all ground based, why regional areas don't get good reception -- but everything should if there were satellites in space.

But he keeps asking, and asking, the same question.

Maybe you'll have better luck this time

It does,, if you have a satellite phone. Ever been to siberia? i have. No cell phone towers for miles there and you still get sat navigation

 

[cannot]

 

[Total Power]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconnaissance_aircraft

Today, much of the strategic role has passed over to satellites,[4] and the tactical role to unmanned aerial vehicles. This was proven by the successful use by Israel and by the Desert Storm operation by the United States.[5]



Another Fail from cannot

 

[cannot]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconnaissance_aircraft

Today, much of the strategic role has passed over to satellites,[4] and the tactical role to unmanned aerial vehicles. This was proven by the successful use by Israel and by the Desert Storm operation by the United States.[5]



Another Fail from cannot

 

[Total Power]

Oh ffs, are you serious? its to get a better view and shot at things. Satellites cant zoom it to such a micro level ffs. Drones are used to filter that problem out, incase you have a specific target you need monitoring. You cannot track people through satellites.

 

[katana]

So how do satellites work smartass if no one flew there? how does GPS work?

how can a device know its location from a wifi connection? your implication being that location is not possible to derive from ground-based technologies is demonstrably false. and, at any rate, it's sort of dancing around the point. also, please refrain from ad hominem insults in this thread.

 

[Total Power]

how can a device know its location from a wifi connection? your implication being that location is not possible to derive from ground-based technologies is demonstrably false. and, at any rate, it's sort of dancing around the point. also, please refrain from ad hominem insults.

Cause cell phone towers are connected to satellites? how do you think a cell phone tower works? it has magical powers or something? also GPS navigation is possible without a wifi/cell phone connection. So how is that possible then? I was in Siberia where is no mobile/wifi network within hundreds and thousands of miles and i still had my sat nav. Been in parts of Africa without a network/connection too, but did use sat nav properly. Google satellite phones and how it works.

 

[katana]

Cause cell phone towers are connected to satellites? how do you think a cell phone tower works? it has magical powers or something? also GPS navigation is possible without a wifi/cell phone connection. So how is that possible then? I was in Siberia where is no mobile/wifi network within hundreds and thousands of miles and i still had my sat nav. Been in parts of Africa without a network/connection too, but did use sat nav properly. Google satellite phones and how it works.

i've used a 'satellite phone' in bass strait, pal. my question was with regards to wifi which is connected to only power and phone lines, and thereby allowing the user to know their location. if this signal can be broadcast through an area and allow connected devices (whatever form they may take - 'cellular' or otherwise) to deduce their location, then how is this proof that all so-called 'gps data' is pulled from satellites?

 

[Total Power]

i've used a 'satellite phone' in bass strait, pal. my question was with regards to wifi which is connected to only power and phone lines, and thereby allowing the user to know their location. if this signal can be broadcast through an area and allow connected devices (whatever form they may take - 'cellular' or otherwise) to deduce their location, then how is this proof that all so-called 'gps data' is pulled from satellites?

It tracks your location through cell phone towers, i already answered that. In places where coverage is shit ,you do not get the exact the location cause your tower might be 5 kms away from your location. Hence that location will not be 100 percent fair dinkum. Compare that with cities, where cell phone towers are frequent the location will be more or less correct. How do you think cell phone towers work? Its possible to know your location like that as well, or through sat nav system which is different to wifi connectivity. GPS can work while you are wifi through sats.. You are saying there are no satellites, so tell us how is it possible to use GPS while being offline completely.

https://www.wired.com/2015/04/offline-gps-apps/


Then you have satellites tracking storm and weather data. Do you think we can do that through wifi as well? how can you actually see a hurricane forming without a satellite? are there cameras in the middle of the ocean? weather predictions, which are pretty accurate, wind patterns etc etc are all a result of satellite. Your argument doesnt have a leg to stand on

 

[katana]

It tracks your location through cell phone towers, i already answered that. In places where coverage is shit ,you do not get the exact the location cause your tower might be 5 kms away from your location. Hence that location will not be 100 percent fair dinkum. Compare that with cities, where cell phone towers are frequent the location will be more or less correct. How do you think cell phone towers work? Its possible to know your location like that as well, or through sat nav system which is different to wifi connectivity. GPS can work while you are wifi through sats.. You are saying there are no satellites, so tell us how is it possible to use GPS while being offline completely.

https://www.wired.com/2015/04/offline-gps-apps/

wifi within a house has no connection to cell towers, it is connected to an exchange. my computer knows my exact address.

cell towers are based on the ground. it is possible to derive accurate locations from cellular towers. therefore, we can say that it is possible to derive locations through ground-based technologies (as was the original argument here). think it through a few steps further than you currently are, it is non-sequitur after non-sequitur. i'm not really making any 'argument' here, i'm only criticising the way you've chosen to rationalise your beliefs.

then you have satellites tracking storm and weather data. Do you think we can do that through wifi as well? how can you actually see a hurricane forming without a satellite? are there cameras in the middle of the ocean? weather predictions, which are pretty accurate, wind patterns etc etc are all a result of satellite. Your argument doesnt have a leg to stand on

how do you think weather satellites actually produce images of clouds? i'll give you a clue, it's not by taking photos.

 

[cannot]

“It’s true. The Earth is flat. The Earth is flat. Yes, it is. Listen, there are three ways to manipulate the mind — what you read, what you see and what you hear. In school, first thing they teach us is, ‘Oh, Columbus discovered America,’ but when he got there, there were some fair-skinned people with the long hair smoking on the peace pipes. So, what does that tell you? Columbus didn’t discover America. So, listen, I drive from coast to coast, and this s*** is flat to me. I’m just saying. I drive from Florida to California all the time, and it’s flat to me. I do not go up and down at a 360-degree angle, and all that stuff about gravity, have you looked outside Atlanta lately and seen all these buildings? You mean to tell me that China is under us? China is under us? It’s not. The world is flat.”

http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2017/03/19/shaquille-oneal-shaq-earth-flat-truther

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Shaq never got to where he did because of his brain.

 

[Nothing]

Shaq never got to where he did because of his brain.

Shaq vs Brian Cox. It really depends the arena but I'm backing Shaq
















in basketball.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Dumb as a box of hammers, that bloke.

 

[Total Power]

wifi within a house has no connection to cell towers, it is connected to an exchange. my computer knows my exact address.

cell towers are based on the ground. it is possible to derive accurate locations from cellular towers. therefore, we can say that it is possible to derive locations through ground-based technologies (as was the original argument here). think it through a few steps further than you currently are, it is non-sequitur after non-sequitur. i'm not really making any 'argument' here, i'm only criticising the way you've chosen to rationalise your beliefs.

Yes i agree if you are talking about wifi in a computer, its connected through the IP address. But i am not arguing that point at all! it is possible like that too and it is also possible to do the same while you are OFFLINE. You have avoided my question where i asked how is it possible to get navigation if you are COMPLETELY OFFLINE. Care to answer that? there are many types of internet around, one type is satellite internet. Like sat tv's they do use the satellite. Heck you can see the photos of secret areas in countries like north korea, iran etc taken from satellites. How will it be even possible to do that without satellites considering no planes/drones can fly there. (non commercial). You are fighting a losing argument.

Secondly cell phone towers and cell phone nagivations do NOT give you accurate locations.

Thirdly you are confused between cell phone navigational data and Global Positioning System. These are not the same. Here read.
http://www.physics.org/article-questions.asp?id=55

The Global Positioning System (GPS) is a network of about 30 satellites orbiting the Earth at an altitude of 20,000 km. The system was originally developed by the US government for military navigation but now anyone with a GPS device, be it a SatNav, mobile phone or handheld GPS unit, can receive the radio signals that the satellites broadcast.

Wherever you are on the planet, at least four GPS satellites are ‘visible’ at any time. Each one transmits information about its position and the current time at regular intervals. These signals, travelling at the speed of light, are intercepted by your GPS receiver, which calculates how far away each satellite is based on how long it took for the messages to arrive.

Once it has information on how far away at least three satellites are, your GPS receiver can pinpoint your location using a process called trilateration

So if the GPS unit is in fact radio waves which FE claims it is, how does it know my location? My radio, that does NOT lose reception under a bridge doesnt know if I'm in the water or on land. But the GPS does lose reception if it blocked for the sky above. Radio waves CANNOT give a location. GPS units however....can, because it doesn't detect radio waves.

So if GPS does not use a satellite, why cant you access accurate navigational data on a phone without a GPS device? is cell phone towers are good enough, you do not need a GPS device, just connect to the cell phone tower. Years ago i had smart phones without a GPS device and the navigational data was nowhere near accurate. It just shows you the nearest tower you are connected to.

GPS by definition uses the satellite system

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System

. It is a global navigation satellite system that provides geolocation and time information to a GPS receiver anywhere on or near the Earth where there is an unobstructed line of sight to four or more GPS satellites.[1] The GPS system operates independently of any telephonic or internet reception, though these technologies can enhance the usefulness of the GPS positioning information

This is why GPS does not work when you are in your basement and you still have network. GPS also doesnt work when its snowing for example. Why do you think thats the case? if its all cell phone towers, you should be able to use it at ALL times. I live in Europe where we have seen the coldest winter in decades. Half of the time during blizzards my GPS didnt work. But my cell phone was working perfectly fine. Reason?



But the point is not that. You do not get ground based technology at 36,000 ft.Neither you get ground based technologies if you in Siberia where there are no connectivity for thousands of miles. So how is it possible for me to still access sat nav while being offline?

how do you think weather satellites actually produce images of clouds? i'll give you a clue, it's not by taking photos.

Ok so lets say a hurricane is forming in the middle of nowhere in the Pacific How would we know without a satellite that a storm is forming? do we have people there? nope. Do we have wifi there? nope. how would we know the path of a storm without a satellite? how can you get accurate views of weather/clouds/droughts etc without satellite? its simply not possible, despite you claiming it is.

India launched over 100 satellites last month to improve communications and predict droughts and weather patter better. Now you are here sitting saying everything is possible with ground based technology, its simply not the case. So people are wasting money sending satellites cause you believe ground based technologies are as good? You can do so many things with ground based technologies but not all. Some things are done better and some things are only done through satellites.

Here is a great article about what a standalone gps device can do what your smart phone cant. And yes it can work offline as well.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/16/...one-gps-devices-do-that-smartphones-cant.html

 

[Hawk Dork]

Shaq never got to where he did because of his brain.

Gravity is not allowing the oxygen to get up there

 

[Total Power]

“It’s true. The Earth is flat. The Earth is flat. Yes, it is. Listen, there are three ways to manipulate the mind — what you read, what you see and what you hear. In school, first thing they teach us is, ‘Oh, Columbus discovered America,’ but when he got there, there were some fair-skinned people with the long hair smoking on the peace pipes. So, what does that tell you? Columbus didn’t discover America. So, listen, I drive from coast to coast, and this s*** is flat to me. I’m just saying. I drive from Florida to California all the time, and it’s flat to me. I do not go up and down at a 360-degree angle, and all that stuff about gravity, have you looked outside Atlanta lately and seen all these buildings? You mean to tell me that China is under us? China is under us? It’s not. The world is flat.”

http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2017/03/19/shaquille-oneal-shaq-earth-flat-truther

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Oh wow a basketball player believes the world is flat. Whoelse are you gonna quote mate, you cant do worse than Red hot chilli peppers

 

[NEGAN]

Anyone believes in flat Earth have look up a guy named Auguste Piccard, he took the sky before NASA.

Interesting thoughts on what he saw.

His quote from an article, "flat disk with an upturn edge."

 

[Total Power]

Anyone believes in flat Earth have look up a guy named Auguste Piccard, he took the sky before NASA.

Interesting thoughts on what he saw.

His quote from an article, "flat disk with an upturn edge."

He only stated what he saw. The same thing we would see if we were to emulate his experience Done approximately 10 miles up. Ask those who flew on concorde jets, 18 miles above

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trav...u-start-seeing-curvature-earth-sky-black.html

 

[NEGAN]

He only stated what he saw. The same thing we would see if we were to emulate his experience Done approximately 10 miles up. Ask those who flew on concorde jets, 18 miles above

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trav...u-start-seeing-curvature-earth-sky-black.html

Interesting, it's funny.

I am no flat Earther but I find it extremely weird and confusing that say when I am on the ground I can see a ship sail over the horizon, but if I was elevated 10 miles in the air I can't see the curve of the Earth.