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[Wallaby]

I am not well versed in the nautical mile navigation so forgive me if I get things wrong.

1. do they use the arbitrary distance or the long/lat lines as the guide as with the Gleason map which is also accurately used to navigate?

The circumference of the Earth....which the nautical mile is based on has it ever been confirmed/proven via measurement?

What you are asking about is the science of geodesy. As usual, Wikipedia gives an excellent introduction into the history and practise without getting too bogged down in detailed mathematical exactitude.

 

[iBeng]

What you are asking about is the science of geodesy. As usual, Wikipedia gives an excellent introduction into the history and practise without getting too bogged down in detailed mathematical exactitude.

Ill translate this for him:

Yes it can be NEGAN

 

[Dan]

Dome, Ice Wall, Infinite Plane etc......at what stage do you give up on these theories? There's a reason why ufo sightings from the 70's died down when we advanced with cameras and technology.

I'm yet the see any proof that dictates we are living on something other than what the vast majority believe our planet to be.

It's 2020 guys.

 

[HardcoreGeelongFan]

Dome, Ice Wall, Infinite Plane etc......at what stage do you give up on these theories? There's a reason why ufo sightings from the 70's died down when we advanced with cameras and technology.

I'm yet the see any proof that dictates we are living on something other than what the vast majority believe our planet to be.

It's 2020 guys.

2020 and you're still brainwashed into thinking the earth is round

 

[Procrastinator35]

2020 and you're still brainwashed into thinking the earth is round

Regardless of which theory you favour, it's still turtles all the way down beneath them.

 

[Dan]

2020 and you're still brainwashed into thinking the earth is round

The onus is on you guys to come to the table with proof.

#waiting

 

[Chief]

You know, I had a thought the other day...Flat earthers are like Trumpers...They only follow the theory because it makes them unique and they know it annoys people who see it as foolish. They then feel they belong to a special group.

Good interview in this podcast:

The “Flat Earth 101” guy seems to be a decent guy apart from the fact he glosses over all sorts of scientific facts as “stuff you’ve been told”.

170 - Mark Sargent

Podcast Episode · You Are Not So Smart · 30 December 2019 · 1hr 2min

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On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[NEGAN]

What you are asking about is the science of geodesy. As usual, Wikipedia gives an excellent introduction into the history and practise without getting too bogged down in detailed mathematical exactitude.

Ill translate this for him:

Yes it can be NEGAN

So please one of you detail to me the exact way we have measured the circumference of the Earth.

This is for my education on the subject.

 

[iBeng]

So please one of you detail to me the exact way we have measured the circumference of the Earth.

This is for my education on the subject.

Conveniently, 7.2 degrees is 1/50th of a full circle ( 50 x 7.2° = 360° ). Eratosthenes understood that if he could determine the distance between Alexandria and Syene, he would merely have to multiply that distance by 50 to find the circumference of Earth

And a neat picture for you:

 

[Procrastinator35]

Conveniently, 7.2 degrees is 1/50th of a full circle ( 50 x 7.2° = 360° ). Eratosthenes understood that if he could determine the distance between Alexandria and Syene, he would merely have to multiply that distance by 50 to find the circumference of Earth

And a neat picture for you:

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2 things spring to mind immediately here....Firstly he's assuming the earth is a 360 degree sphere in order for this measure to work.....So a pre-existing pre-supposition is already in place.

Secondly, Athens lies roughly the same distance north of the equator as Melbourne lies south of it.....So the circumference will be different, given the earth is not exactly round & bulges in the middle, according to contemporary geo-science & the round-ball adherents.

 

[iBeng]

2 things spring to mind immediately here....Firstly he's assuming the earth is a 360 degree sphere in order for this measure to work.....So a pre-existing pre-supposition is already in place.

Secondly, Athens lies roughly the same distance north of the equator as Melbourne lies south of it.....So the circumference will be different, given the earth is not exactly round & bulges in the middle, according to contemporary geo-science & the round-ball adherents.

I dont think the bulge itself would effect the degrees evident in the general spherical shape, given that we've used that ever since with perfectly acceptable accuracy for things like airflight, ships and space flight.

 

[iBeng]

• He knew there are 360 degrees in a circle.
• He could measure the angle of the shadow cast by a tall object in Alexandria.
• He knew the overland distance between Alexandria and Syene. (The two cities were close enough that the distance could be measured on foot.)
• The only unknown in the equation is the circumference of Earth!

The resulting equation was:

Angle of shadow in Alexandria / 360 degrees = Distance between Alexandria and Syene / Circumference of Earth

 

[NEGAN]

• He knew there are 360 degrees in a circle.
• He could measure the angle of the shadow cast by a tall object in Alexandria.
• He knew the overland distance between Alexandria and Syene. (The two cities were close enough that the distance could be measured on foot.)
• The only unknown in the equation is the circumference of Earth!

The resulting equation was:

Angle of shadow in Alexandria / 360 degrees = Distance between Alexandria and Syene / Circumference of Earth

Did he know distance to the sun?

Did he know that the shadows he was using can also prove a flat earth depending on this distance to the sun?

The only reason he got a circumference is because he presupposes his distance to the sun and that he is on a globe therefore pre-determining his outcome. Highly unscientific and logical fallacies abound.

He could of just as easily proved a flat earth if he presupposes a flat earth.

I will ask again...has anyone physically and scientifically measured the circumference of the Earth.

The story changes, from wells to sticks to pillars....what a joke of a story.

There is more evidence of Jesus existing than Eratosthenes

 

[iBeng]

That is not how shadows work...

If you're suggesting, right now, you can tell us, based on the suns shadows, how WIDE the Earth is because its FLAT, then go prove it, publish it and collect your award for Scientific Endevours.

 

[Procrastinator35]

I dont think the bulge itself would effect the degrees evident in the general spherical shape, given that we've used that ever since with perfectly acceptable accuracy for things like airflight, ships and space flight.

The point being that the circumference at the equator, would be significantly different to that of an Athenian latitude....assuming one followed the lines of latitude .....The time of year based upon the earths orbit round the sun would also significantly alter the measure…..Too many variables in place methinks, including the seasonal tilt.

 

[iBeng]

The point being that the circumference at the equator, would be significantly different to that of an Athenian latitude....assuming one followed the lines of latitude .....The time of year based upon the earths orbit round the sun would also significantly alter the measure…..Too many variables in place methinks, including the seasonal tilt.

There is a difference, yes. I think I read that the original math had it at 46000 but the actual is 40000. So, 6000kms out. Still reasonably accurate for the time it was done, the tools and the location.

 

[NEGAN]

That is not how shadows work...

If you're suggesting, right now, you can tell us, based on the suns shadows, how WIDE the Earth is because its FLAT, then go prove it, publish it and collect your award for Scientific Endevours.

If the sun is local and small....

You get the same shadows on a flat earth You are wrong again.

If you presuppose the sun is large and distant you get your sphere model.

If presuppose all kinds of shit you can claim and prove all kinds of shit.



I am not the one making any claims here I am asking for validity of claims being made.

 

[iBeng]

If the sun is local and small....

You get the same shadows on a flat earth You are wrong again.

If you presuppose the sun is large and distant you get your sphere model.

If presuppose all kinds of shit you can claim and prove all kinds of shit.



I am not the one making any claims here I am asking for validity of claims being made.

6. Measure shadows across the country
Pick two locations that are some distance apart (at least a couple hundred miles from each other and on the same meridian). Grab two sticks or dowels (or other objects) of equal length, two tape measures, and a friend. Each of you will take one stick/dowel/object and one tape measure to your location, stick the object into the ground, and measure the shadow. (For accuracy, you should both take your measurements at the same time of day.)

On a flat Earth, the shadow that is cast by each would be of the same length. However, if you and your friend compare notes, you'll find that one shadow was longer than the other. That's because, due to the curvature of Earth, the sun will hit one part of Earth at one angle and another part of Earth at a different angle even at the same time of day.

This experiment has been around since about 240 B.C., when Greek mathematician Eratosthenes compared the shadows cast in both Syene—now Aswan, Egypt—and Alexandria on the summer solstice. Eratosthenes had learned of a well in Syene where once a year on the summer solstice, the sun would illuminate the entire bottom of the well and tall buildings and other objects would not cast a shadow. However, he noticed that shadows were being cast on the summer solstice in Alexandria, so he measured the angle of the shadow and found it to be an angle of about 7.2°.



There you go, poke holes in that and tell us NASA casts shadows to keep us thinking the Sun is a huge ball and not a small spec in the sky that shines down on our plate.

 

[NEGAN]

6. Measure shadows across the country
Pick two locations that are some distance apart (at least a couple hundred miles from each other and on the same meridian). Grab two sticks or dowels (or other objects) of equal length, two tape measures, and a friend. Each of you will take one stick/dowel/object and one tape measure to your location, stick the object into the ground, and measure the shadow. (For accuracy, you should both take your measurements at the same time of day.)

On a flat Earth, the shadow that is cast by each would be of the same length. However, if you and your friend compare notes, you'll find that one shadow was longer than the other. That's because, due to the curvature of Earth, the sun will hit one part of Earth at one angle and another part of Earth at a different angle even at the same time of day.

This experiment has been around since about 240 B.C., when Greek mathematician Eratosthenes compared the shadows cast in both Syene—now Aswan, Egypt—and Alexandria on the summer solstice. Eratosthenes had learned of a well in Syene where once a year on the summer solstice, the sun would illuminate the entire bottom of the well and tall buildings and other objects would not cast a shadow. However, he noticed that shadows were being cast on the summer solstice in Alexandria, so he measured the angle of the shadow and found it to be an angle of about 7.2°.



There you go, poke holes in that and tell us NASA casts shadows to keep us thinking the Sun is a huge ball and not a small spec in the sky that shines down on our plate.

Or maybe one of your priests will be able to help you understand beng.




I thought it was sticks or pillars or wells I don't know.

What if he added a third well.....


What if.....

What if he did

 

[iBeng]

Bloody hell you love clutching at any perceived thread of potential uncertainty, dont you? Its almost respectable.

He used both, a well and sticks and other items most likely, that showed shadows or how light acted at different times, days and locations:

Eratosthenes had heard from travelers about a well in Syene (now Aswan, Egypt) with an interesting property: at noon on the summer solstice, which occurs about June 21 every year, the sun illuminated the entire bottom of this well, without casting any shadows, indicating that the sun was directly overhead. Eratosthenes then measured the angle of a shadow cast by a stick at noon on the summer solstice in Alexandria, and found it made an angle of about 7.2 degrees, or about 1/50 of a complete circle.

 

[Wallaby]

Eratoshenes made a couple of assumptions in his measurements.

Syene was exactly North of Alexandria (it isn't exactly).
The distance between Syene and Alexandria is exactly 5000 Stadia (that's a complete guess - a stadii was based on how far and fast a camel could walk)
The earth is a perfect sphere (it's close).
The rays of the sun are exactly parallel (almost - not quite).

So he wound up about 10-15% off the value we have today. Pretty good for 200 BC.

Of course, he also assumed the earth was a sphere (or at least round-ish). Sure - it could be explained by a particular Flat Earth Model. But then the other means of measurement would not work (there was a massive effort in understanding the earth during the French Revolution, for example. They all came up with similar results (plus-or-minus 10-15% from Eratosthenes). The thing about the spherical model of the earth is it always works with our observations. There are a many flat earth models created to meet the many different things we observe about our earth - but unless they are consistent, they are not a lot of use.

 

[NEGAN]

Bloody hell you love clutching at any perceived thread of potential uncertainty, dont you? Its almost respectable.

He used both, a well and sticks and other items most likely, that showed shadows or how light acted at different times, days and locations:

Eratosthenes had heard from travelers about a well in Syene (now Aswan, Egypt) with an interesting property: at noon on the summer solstice, which occurs about June 21 every year, the sun illuminated the entire bottom of this well, without casting any shadows, indicating that the sun was directly overhead. Eratosthenes then measured the angle of a shadow cast by a stick at noon on the summer solstice in Alexandria, and found it made an angle of about 7.2 degrees, or about 1/50 of a complete circle.

BOTH observations work....

You have been told and demonstrated by your priest they can both work on both models and yet you are still dribbling shit.

You need a third well beng... which he didn't use ....but apparently please show us.


Bottom line, this is not scientific evidence or conclusive of anything you are suggesting.

You are dead wrong about the shadows only working on a globe without presuppositions.

 

[iBeng]

BOTH observations work....

You have been told and demonstrated by your priest they can both work on both models and yet you are still dribbling shit.

You need a third well beng... which he didn't use ....but apparently please show us.


Bottom line, this is not scientific evidence or conclusive of anything you are suggesting.

You are dead wrong about the shadows only working on a globe without presuppositions.

If you bothered to READ, NO RECORDINGS of his EXACT EXPERIMENT exist, only that which we have found written down by OTHER PEOPLE. SECOND. HAND. INFORMATION.

For all we know he tried it in 50 damn wells and confirmed it was impossible for a small, rotating star above us to cause the shadows he saw.

But no, you're right, my "priest" just confirmed flat earth is possible and therefore more likely to be true. Im converted. Youve done it. Well done.

I see now.

 

[NEGAN]

Eratoshenes made a couple of assumptions in his measurements.

Syene was exactly North of Alexandria (it isn't exactly).
The distance between Syene and Alexandria is exactly 5000 Stadia (that's a complete guess - a stadii was based on how far and fast a camel could walk)
The earth is a perfect sphere (it's close).
The rays of the sun are exactly parallel (almost - not quite).

So he wound up about 10-15% off the value we have today. Pretty good for 200 BC.

Of course, he also assumed the earth was a sphere (or at least round-ish). Sure - it could be explained by a particular Flat Earth Model. But then the other means of measurement would not work (there was a massive effort in understanding the earth during the French Revolution, for example. They all came up with similar results (plus-or-minus 10-15% from Eratosthenes). The thing about the spherical model of the earth is it always works with our observations. There are a many flat earth models created to meet the many different things we observe about our earth - but unless they are consistent, they are not a lot of use.

The globe model is not consistent with reality you are also wrong....

There many things we can observe that do not adhere to the globe model....which get explained away by absolute nonsense.


1. Being the

If you bothered to READ, NO RECORDINGS of his EXACT EXPERIMENT exist, only that which we have found written down by OTHER PEOPLE. SECOND. HAND. INFORMATION.

For all we know he tried it in 50 damn wells and confirmed it was impossible for a small, rotating star above us to cause the shadows he saw.

But no, you're right, my "priest" just confirmed flat earth is possible and therefore more likely to be true. Im converted. Youve done it. Well done.

I see now.

For all we know ....

For all we know..

Preassume again beng it's beautiful....lol
.

Just admit you are wrong again and move on.

 

[NEGAN]

Pre assumption CANNOT be used to scientifically evaluate a hypothesis.


If you preassume your variables parameters you're going to get a wrong/null/bias result.