Religion The God Question - part 2

[skilts]

Logos
ˈlɒɡɒs/
noun
noun: Logos

1. 1.
   Theology
   the Word of God, or principle of divine reason and creative order, identified in the Gospel of John with the second person of the Trinity incarnate in Jesus Christ.
2. 2.
   (in Jungian psychology) the principle of reason and judgement, associated with the animus.

Jungian psychology is more closely related to the anus than the animus. It's a load of shit, like some priapic manipulators who post similar shit on here.

 

[The Unforgiven]

Really ? Has the penny dropped yet. Can you see a common denominator in all this.?

Yes. Anything that can be answered is literal, anything that can't is metaphor. And you of all people dodge a skirt around the questions which make you feel uncomfortable because you can't answer them.

Nice try though, champ. Have another crack at trying to attribute the clashing of heads as being solely down to me.

 

[Boston tiger]

Maybe a bit of truth?

What evidence have we got that someone (e.g. Gilgamesh?) actually built a "big boat" to survive a large flood? Boats existed. Is this evidence? Floods happened. Is this evidence? People sailed boats on rivers in flood. Is this evidence? There's a written story. Did someone build a largish boat to sail on a local flood, possibly to save himself and his family and maybe some of his animals actually happen? Reason and logic would say its not impossible. Perhaps even plausible. Did it happen as described in Genesis? The same reason and logic backed with a lack of empirical evidence would say not.

I don't how we got into this but from skeptic fundamentalists who say it's impossible for a world wide flood and how did the kangaroos get on there to something a little plausible ... so now we can at least look at the message which I don't know but I'm sure there is one.

 

[Boston tiger]

Logos
ˈlɒɡɒs/
noun
noun: Logos

1. 1.
   Theology
   the Word of God, or principle of divine reason and creative order, identified in the Gospel of John with the second person of the Trinity incarnate in Jesus Christ.
2. 2.
   (in Jungian psychology) the principle of reason and judgement, associated with the animus.

I did not know that.

 

[evo]

Logos
ˈlɒɡɒs/
noun
noun: Logos

1. 1.
   Theology
   the Word of God, or principle of divine reason and creative order, identified in the Gospel of John with the second person of the Trinity incarnate in Jesus Christ.
2. 2.
   (in Jungian psychology) the principle of reason and judgement, associated with the animus.

i love how the Greeks don't even get a mention given that it is their word and concept.

 

[Procrastinator35]

I did not know that.

It derives directly from Greek philosophy/theology, which in turn derives from Greek mythos:

https://www.britannica.com/topic/logos

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logos

 

[chelseacarlton]

 

[Boston tiger]

Yes. Anything that can be answered is literal, anything that can't is metaphor. And you of all people dodge a skirt around the questions which make you feel uncomfortable because you can't answer them.

Nice try though, champ. Have another crack at trying to attribute the clashing of heads as being solely down to me.

I'll just wait until the next person calls you out for being a dick and see if the penny drops then.

Your questions come from a place of little understanding.

 

[The Unforgiven]

I'll just wait until the next person calls you out for being a dick and see if the penny drops then.

Your questions come from a place of little understanding.

You're right. My questions come from very little understanding. Things that aren't scientifically proven facts are still very misunderstood. Just like your book, which you and your mates can't even figure out what parts should be taken literally and what parts were metaphor.

 

[The Unforgiven]

I doubt anyone with an ounce of common sense would claim the Biblical account as literally true.

Good post however

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progre...=gr_trending&ref_blog=grails&ref_post=atheist

I'd say this guy would. Welcome to your next Secretary of Education, America. Regards, Donald Trump.

 

[The Unforgiven]

I know what you are saying but I think your nothing and my nothing is different. Empty space v nothing.
Still granted very interesting stuff but the more amazing the more I think eff the accident theory.

You seriously think that the Big Bang Theory has been attributed to an accident? Or are you just trying to be provocative?

 

[evo]

I don't how we got into this but from skeptic fundamentalists who say it's impossible for a world wide flood and how did the kangaroos get on there to something a little plausible ... so now we can at least look at the message which I don't know but I'm sure there is one.

How could one be a skeptic fundamentalist? It's a contradiction in terms.

 

[Boston tiger]

How could one be a skeptic fundamentalist? It's a contradiction in terms.

Well they argue on the grounds that everything in the Bible is to be interpreted literalistically. World made in 7 days .. impossible ... world 6000 years old ....impossible ....talking snake .... impossible etc ... woman from mans rib .....impossible. You get it. They argue on the terms of a fundamentalist... its sort of mental but it goes on. Dawkins is a bit of one but I'm not sure that he would be silly to argue the 7 days or talking snake.

 

[Boston tiger]

You seriously think that the Big Bang Theory has been attributed to an accident? Or are you just trying to be provocative?

Tell me more

 

[The Unforgiven]

Tell me more

You're the one making the claim. How about you tell me more?

 

[Boston tiger]

You're right. My questions come from very little understanding. Things that aren't scientifically proven facts are still very misunderstood. Just like your book, which you and your mates can't even figure out what parts should be taken literally and what parts were metaphor.

Your the one having trouble? It's not that hard. Just try to think like a human. Take the God inspired out of the equation for awhile.
What is this human trying to say?
Why do you think this Genesis story made it into print ? because the author came up with a 7 day working roster for God?? or the author answered the question that atheists hammer to death on here .. if God loves us and created us why aren't we living in paradise, why the suffering.
Focus on the purpose. Genesis isn't telling us how long God took to do the job but that he created everything and it's our fault we aren't in paradise...very empowering when one can lay blame on one self for their predicament.

Don't have to believe it to know how to read it.

 

[Boston tiger]

You're the one making the claim. How about you tell me more?

Well it if didn't happen by accident .. what are you saying?
We all know what I'm saying but what are you saying?

 

[Total Power]

Well they argue on the grounds that everything in the Bible is to be interpreted literalistically. World made in 7 days .. impossible ... world 6000 years old ....impossible ....talking snake .... impossible etc ... woman from mans rib .....impossible. You get it. They argue on the terms of a fundamentalist... its sort of mental but it goes on. Dawkins is a bit of one but I'm not sure that he would be silly to argue the 7 days or talking snake.

Plenty of christian theologians will disagree with you though, many schools of christianity take it literally. Take Ben Carson for example a YEC and an evolution denier. WLC, Lennox, Ham and a host of other reputed christian theologians tell us genesis is literal. But even if i dont take it literally, Genesis states people used to be live for a 1000 years back then, yet the earth was made in 7 days. If 7 days were metaphors, and it means 7 godly days or whatever, then what 1000 years supposed to mean? so a man lived longer than that? According to genesis abraham was 99 years old when he circumcised himself having a 13 year old son in Ishamael. If these were metaphors, then why bother saying a man lived for a thousand years? there is no poetry in absurdity. Gensis is just downright ridiculous story of creation and no one should take it seriously (literally or metaphorically)

 

[The Unforgiven]

Your the one having trouble? It's not that hard. Just try to think like a human. Take the God inspired out of the equation for awhile.
What is this human trying to say?
Why do you think this Genesis story made it into print ? because the author came up with a 7 day working roster for God?? or the author answered the question that atheists hammer to death on here .. if God loves us and created us why aren't we living in paradise, why the suffering.
Focus on the purpose. Genesis isn't telling us how long God took to do the job but that he created everything and it's our fault we aren't in paradise...very empowering when one can lay blame on one self for their predicament.

Don't have to believe it to know how to read it.

I'm not having trouble with anything. I started learning about the Bible, God and everything to do with Cathlocism and Christianity at age five. We recited Hail Mary and The Lord's Prayer from Prep. I bought into and genuinely believed in everything I was told to the point that almost thirty years on I can still remember every word in those prayers without strain. I even clasped my hands together in front of my chest and prayed before I went to bed until the age of about nine.

Why do I think the Genesis story came to print? For starters, 3,000+ years ago when Genesis was first written, people believed in such superstition unquestionably. The fact that the story and religion continues to transcend time is due to the result of a combination of factors. Through generational indoctrination and the gullibility of the low-hanging fruit who've continued to cling to messages contained within a factually devoid book - this has ensured religion's survival.

The last bit of your post is asking me to basically ignore the uncomfortable aspects of religion and focus on the aspects which aren't factually or morally devoid. I am sorry, but I cannot do that. Unlike people in my life who I do obviously choose to accept their weaknesses along with their strengths, I have higher expectations from a book which is apparently inspired by the words of God. In other words; people are human and no one is perfect - the Bible is God's work so I expect it to be infallible.

 

[The Unforgiven]

Well it if didn't happen by accident .. what are you saying?
We all know what I'm saying but what are you saying?

I could sit here and explain my reasoning all day, but I've found an article which explains exactly how I, along with most other atheists, feel regarding your comment. I urge you to read it when you have the time and try to understand my perspective on this.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/essays/a-cosmic-accident/

 

[The Unforgiven]

Plenty of christian theologians will disagree with you though, many schools of christianity take it literally. Take Ben Carson for example a YEC and an evolution denier. WLC, Lennox, Ham and a host of other reputed christian theologians tell us genesis is literal. But even if i dont take it literally, Genesis states people used to be live for a 1000 years back then, yet the earth was made in 7 days. If 7 days were metaphors, and it means 7 godly days or whatever, then what 1000 years supposed to mean? so a man lived longer than that? According to genesis abraham was 99 years old when he circumcised himself having a 13 year old son in Ishamael. If these were metaphors, then why bother saying a man lived for a thousand years? there is no poetry in absurdity. Gensis is just downright ridiculous story of creation and no one should take it seriously (literally or metaphorically)

I just posted up a link to that guy before. Looks like he'll be America's the next Secretary of Education. What a terrifying thought. No wonder the "godless" California wants to break away from the rest of the country.

 

[Total Power]

I could sit here and explain my reasoning all day, but I've found an article which explains exactly how I, along with most other atheists, feel regarding your comment. I urge you to read it when you have the time and try to understand my perspective on this.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/essays/a-cosmic-accident/

The problem is any story of creation is just an attempt to explain the unknowable. I am not an atheist, but i know plenty of religions (mostly pantheistic ones) that dont attempt to explain creation but talks about life in general. Take buddhism for example, buddhism is not about who and what created the world cause according to buddha that is less important, its all about what you are doing with your life that matters most! i can respect that and i know plenty of atheists who do it as well

 

[Boston tiger]

Plenty of christian theologians will disagree with you though, many schools of christianity take it literally. Take Ben Carson for example a YEC and an evolution denier. WLC, Lennox, Ham and a host of other reputed christian theologians tell us genesis is literal. But even if i dont take it literally, Genesis states people used to be live for a 1000 years back then, yet the earth was made in 7 days. If 7 days were metaphors, and it means 7 godly days or whatever, then what 1000 years supposed to mean? so a man lived longer than that? According to genesis abraham was 99 years old when he circumcised himself having a 13 year old son in Ishamael. If these were metaphors, then why bother saying a man lived for a thousand years? there is no poetry in absurdity. Gensis is just downright ridiculous story of creation and no one should take it seriously (literally or metaphorically)

Yes people do but the people who gave us the Bible and decided what was God inspired don't.
We have been down this road before.. fundamentalism is the child of the reformation. The Bible had to fill the void of authority once you broke away from the church.

Yes there are lots of Christians who will tell you the earth is 6000 years old etc.

 

[Total Power]

Yes people do but the people who gave us the Bible and decided what was God inspired don't.
We have been down this road before.. fundamentalism is the child of the reformation. The Bible had to fill the void of authority once you broke away from the church.

Yes there are lots of Christians who will tell you the earth is 6000 years old etc.

So why bother with a creation story if it means nothing but "poetry". Why not just say "god created the world " period

Putting stuff like that in, will obviously be subject to ridicule with the advancement of scientific knowledge.

Best not to attempt explain creation.

 

[evo]

Well they argue on the grounds that everything in the Bible is to be interpreted literalistically. World made in 7 days .. impossible ... world 6000 years old ....impossible ....talking snake .... impossible etc ... woman from mans rib .....impossible. You get it. They argue on the terms of a fundamentalist... its sort of mental but it goes on. Dawkins is a bit of one but I'm not sure that he would be silly to argue the 7 days or talking snake.

Surely Dawkins does the opposite of that. He argues that it is ludicrous to take Genesis literally. He is skeptical of the Christian fundamentalist view.

Scientists are skeptics by definition. They form hypothesis and then proceed to prove or disprove it.