Sport The Hangar Cricket Thread IV

[Kong]

My issue with that scenario though is that the batsman was reviewing the decision, not the legitimacy of the delivery. If the umpire didn't pick up on the no ball, I don't think an unrelated review from the batsman should overturn the outcome.

 

[Kong]

What if:

Johnson appeals for caught behind, it's given not out.

Australia review the decision, and hotspot confirms a massive edge.

However, the review also shows the delivery was a front foot no ball.

1) I assume despite being out, the decision remains not out because of the previously undetected no ball?
1.1) Would Australia then lose their review, despite their decision technically being correct?


ChilbroSwaggins are you saying they'd keep their review?

 

[eth-dog]

Basically if the fielding team reviews on a no ball the review is retained. Hotspot wouldn't come into it as they go the no-ball first

 

[Howard Moon]

Basically if the fielding team reviews on a no ball the review is retained. Hotspot wouldn't come into it as they go the no-ball first

good answer.

 

[Doss]

So, Steven Finn has now been sent home.

What the hell is going on with him?

 

[eth-dog]

So, Steven Finn has now been sent home.

What the hell is going on with him?

Spud

 

[Yoda_]

How crap are the West Indies?

2nd T20I against New Zealand is on and are struggling at 94/4 (14.1)

 

[Phone]

So, Steven Finn has now been sent home.

What the hell is going on with him?

I suppose I have to support the decision because I said after he was over-looked for the first ODer they should just send him home if they're not gonna pick him.


But I really struggle to believe he was bowling so badly in the nets that he shouldn't be at least tried in this series.

 

[Doss]

I suppose I have to support the decision because I said after he was over-looked for the first ODer they should just send him home if they're not gonna pick him.


But I really struggle to believe he was bowling so badly in the nets that he shouldn't be at least tried in this series.

If you believe what you read, it sounds like he's basically lost all rhythm in his action and delivery stride.

His troubles really seem to have begun with the kicking of the stumps problem he had in 2012. Then trying to remodel his action and so on...

 

[Yoda_]

If you believe what you read, it sounds like he's basically lost all rhythm in his action and delivery stride.

His troubles really seem to have begun with the kicking of the stumps problem he had in 2012. Then trying to remodel his action and so on...

I'd lose all confidence too if the international cricket committee changed a rule specifically because of your action.

A big far cry from the bloke who burst onto the test scene with 46 wickets at 26 in 11 tests.

 

[Old Campaigner]

I'd lose all confidence too if the international cricket committee changed a rule specifically because of your action.

Unless they change it in your favor...

 

[BrunoV]

So after years of nothing every team Australian state seems to have a viable leggie or two. I have to say that Muirhead head looks the best (in terms of the fluency of his action, the work he puts on the ball and control).

 

[eth-dog]

So after years of nothing every team Australian state seems to have a viable leggie or two. I have to say that Muirhead head looks the best (in terms of the fluency of his action, the work he puts on the ball and control).

Who are WA's, NSW's and Tassie's leggies? If I went the pros/good but not great/cons of the three I'd say:

Boyce: Most variations/spins it more than Zampa but less than Muirhead/not patient enough
Zampa: Most patient/decent variations/spins it the least
Muirhead: Spins it the most/decent patience/variations aren't as good

They all have relatively good control for young leggies, which is good. Think Zampa will be the one to succeed at the next level the most

 

[BrunoV]

Aren't there are another couple? Another Queenslander and someone from NSW.

On another matter, how did Brad Hogg not play more test cricket? Control, spin, virtually un-pickable variation. There is often talk about how unlucky McGill was because of Warne but I reckon Hogg has as big a claim.

 

[eth-dog]

Aren't there are another couple? Another Queenslander and someone from NSW.

On another matter, how did Brad Hogg not play more test cricket? Control, spin, virtually un-pickable variation. There is often talk about how unlucky McGill was because of Warne but I reckon Hogg has as big a claim.

Zampa plays for SA (but from NSW) and Boyce for Qld.

Average of 40 in FC cricket

 

[Whispering_Jack]

Aren't there are another couple? Another Queenslander and someone from NSW.

On another matter, how did Brad Hogg not play more test cricket? Control, spin, virtually un-pickable variation. There is often talk about how unlucky McGill was because of Warne but I reckon Hogg has as big a claim.

Ask any West Aussie and he will say Hogg was robbed to not play more cricket for Australia. But IIRC he was a late bloomer in domestic cricket, plus I don't think he was always a specialist bowler until later in his career (played more as an all rounder I believe).

 

[Phone]

His stock ball isn't dangerous enough. That's ok for the BigBash though, because his wrong un is very dangerous, which it wasn't in FC cricket because it was easier to pick it up with the red ball. (you would have heard moody or gilchrist note that as the white ball gets more and more roughed up, it's harder and harder to see the seam and hence pick it.) In the BB, Hogg can more or less bowl his wrong un and stock ball on the same length and line without giving any indication which ball it is, so if batsman aren't picking his wrong un, it increases the danger of the stock ball as well, but if they are picking the wrong un, his gameplan is hit.

also he's a left arm wrist spinner

 

[Doss]

Left arm wrist spinners are an unusual breed.

Has there ever been one at international level who was wildly successful? I can't think of any off the top of my head, to be honest. Blokes like Bevan, Katich, Hogg and Paul Adams are recent examples, but none had great overall records- though Bevan and Katich did clean up in Tests a few times. Sobers bowled it on occasion, but I'm pretty sure he bowled much more left arm orthodox. And of course, he tended to bowl pace more than either type of spin anyway.

I dunno, perhaps it's got something to do with the majority of batsmen through history being right handed- really, because of the angle of delivery (whether over or around the wicket), a left arm wrist spinner isn't generally going to worry a good right hand batsman that much. Phone's pretty much on the money with what he said above.

Left arm wristies might threaten left handers more, much the same way as right arm off spinners (Swann being a recent example) often trouble left handers.

Let's think of all the possible types of spin bowling:

Right arm wrist spin (conventional leg spin)- plenty of those
Right arm finger spin (conventional off spin)- probably the most common type of spin bowled
Left arm orthodox- not at all uncommon
Left arm unorthodox- very uncommon, easily the least frequently bowled of the four.

Just one of cricket's curiosities, I suppose.

 

[The Speaker]

Adams is far and away the most successful.

Fleetwood-Smith probably should've been.

 

[Doss]

And even then, Adams' stock delivery was chinaman rather than a delivery turning to the off.

It really is bowling's equivalent of the black hole.

 

[Andronicus]

Probably partially a numbers game though.

There are few right handed wrist spinners than other bowling forms, as Doss pointed out, and being less left handers in the population would mean that would be the rarest of bowling categories anyway.

Probably other factors to go along with that as you mentioned though.

 

[Phone]

I dunno, perhaps it's got something to do with the majority of batsmen through history being right handed- really, because of the angle of delivery (whether over or around the wicket), a left arm wrist spinner isn't generally going to worry a good right hand batsman that much. Phone's pretty much on the money with what he said above.[

Plus of course if a left arm wrist spinner, bowling over the wicket, does as wrist spinners tend to do, and bowl a full toss or long hop, it's even easier to hit it over mid-wicket. there's no room for error and little upside really.

 

[Loonerty]

What a finish!!!

 

[Jab]

What a finish!!!

Faulk me!

 

[Andronicus]

Meh.

3 balls to go. Hardly a close one.