Sport The Hangar Cricket Thread IV

[Old Campaigner]

The eye test is what it is. An opinion.

It also only works if you have a clue about what you're looking at

 

[eth-dog]

Genuine stupidity by Marnus

 

[jannissary]

clinical victory. too many english batsmen keen to smash the shit out of the ball, and not enough innings being built. root x2 & bethell both made their centuries by amassing and building an innings, not slogging.

not playing tongue from test 1 was also a disastrous selection choice

 

[boncer34]

Cant believe they tried to win now instead of blooding youngsters.

 

[boncer34]

For all the talk that England had multiple chances and were unlucky, the end result was 4-1 and if we'd taken our chances in Melbourne it'd be 5-0.

Better team won comfortably.

 

[jannissary]

For all the talk that England had multiple chances and were unlucky, the end result was 4-1 and if we'd taken our chances in Melbourne it'd be 5-0.

Better team won comfortably.

fact of the matter in my eyes is that they came over undercooked and underprepared. crawley, duckett, brook, pope (lol), jacks and smith were all extremely disappointing with the bat. stokes was "ok", but his captaincy was shit, root, beyond 2 innings, was shit, bethell could be anything.

their bowlers, sans tongue, were similarly shit. archer and wood were always going to go down with an injury, as they have throughout their career(s). carse bowled shit consistently and simply, like took wickets bc of the shit he was bowling. atkinson was okay but again, went down with an injury, and potts was just ghastly, shockingly shit.

never a chance in heaven that they'd win here. it's as simple as that.

 

[Yoda_]

Cant believe they tried to win now instead of blooding youngsters.

imagine pretending a bloke with bang average BBL form is the right call for test selection

 

[jannissary]

imagine pretending a bloke with bang average BBL form is the right call for test selection

imagine using bbl as the indicator for their actual form. c'mon man

 

[Yoda_]

imagine using bbl as the indicator for their actual form. c'mon man

agreed, what a way to validate selection

 

[ant555]

imagine pretending a bloke with bang average BBL form is the right call for test selection

Who should we be selecting?

History says that 70 - 80% of players under 22 picked in the test side have been A grade players who where making good runs in shield cricket.

 

[boncer34]

imagine pretending a bloke with bang average BBL form is the right call for test selection

Who did that?

 

[katana]

clinical victory. too many english batsmen keen to smash the shit out of the ball, and not enough innings being built. root x2 & bethell both made their centuries by amassing and building an innings, not slogging.

not playing tongue from test 1 was also a disastrous selection choice

how did travis head make his runs as the series' top scorer?

 

[jannissary]

how did travis head make his runs as the series' top scorer?

very very helpful comment. he didn’t try and cart every ball

 

[katana]

very very helpful comment. he didn’t try and cart every ball

i wasn't intending to be helpful. i was intending to point out that the number one scorer in the series was hardly 'building his innings' and playing Proper Test Cricket. none of the english players tried to cart every ball either if that's your metric.

england didn't lose due to ethos they lost due to being worse at cricket than australia.

 

[boncer34]

i wasn't intending to be helpful. i was intending to point out that the number one scorer in the series was hardly 'building his innings' and playing Proper Test Cricket. none of the english players tried to cart every ball either if that's your metric.

england didn't lose due to ethos they lost due to being worse at cricket than australia.

You think Head batted the same way the English tried to bat?

 

[katana]

You think Head batted the same way the English tried to bat?

yeah pretty similar. i don't think you can really say 'the english bat' either, each of their players are different. most of them like to play their shots and don't use their feet, like travis head.

 

[jannissary]

i wasn't intending to be helpful. i was intending to point out that the number one scorer in the series was hardly 'building his innings' and playing Proper Test Cricket. none of the english players tried to cart every ball either if that's your metric.

england didn't lose due to ethos they lost due to being worse at cricket than australia.

glad you didn't see the sarcasm.

if you watched any of heads innings where he actually made runs, the main difference came from choosing which balls to hit, and how he hit them. if you compare his inning(s) to say, crawley, duckett, pope or brook, the main point of difference is that he's never trying to smash the shit out of the "good balls" early in his innings. the way that england bowled was undisciplined and all over the wicket, which gave him more opportunities to make runs.

 

[boncer34]

yeah pretty similar.

Oh. OK then.

 

[katana]

glad you didn't see the sarcasm.

if you watched any of heads innings where he actually made runs, the main difference came from choosing which balls to hit, and how he hit them. if you compare his inning(s) to say, crawley, duckett, pope or brook, the main point of difference is that he's never trying to smash the shit out of the "good balls" early in his innings. the way that england bowled was undisciplined and all over the wicket, which gave him more opportunities to make runs.

head made it work. the general ethos is the same.

agree to disagree.

 

[ant555]

For me the difference with Head is he can and did slow down at stages. There is no doubt for me that he relies on hand eye coordination more than an old test technique and he has periods of games where he simply tees off but unlike some of the English players he does actually reign it in for periods.

 

[ant555]

The concern I have for the 2027 Ashes is not really who is going to fill a few batting gaps or the spinners spot. It is more that I suspect England will revert back to preparing seeming wickets and not the more friendly pitches they have preferred in the last couple of seasons.
We have never been great in any era as far as playing swing bowling against the Dukes ball.
At this stage we really need to round up all our batting prospects and swing bowlers and get them playing against each other with a Dukes ball in match conditions where the ball will swing.
Surely, we can find 26 or so players including some incumbent test players so we can play some practice games under match conditions and sort some of it out.
Not sure on where the County Cricket situation is but if possible, some of the bats could play some before 2027.
In any rate I am sure that facing some of the current Australian seamers in swinging conditions would be a benefit or at least sort a few out.
As far as 2029 goes players will be found. We may not be producing the depth we had from 2000 to 2015 or so but we managed to find guys like Head and Webster looks okay.
I do not really care if we are bringing in players at 28-30 and they only have a 5-year window. Test cricket is about win now. Always has been. It is not about building a premiership. It is about winning as many as you can every year.
Good young players get in when they come along.
Unfortunately, we did not get to see Will Pukovski who looked like he may have been the one.

 

[ant555]

I hope that if they sell the BBL sides we do not end up with IPL sides buying some of them and changing their names.

 

[Yoda_]

I hope that if they sell the BBL sides we do not end up with IPL sides buying some of them and changing their names.

nothing surer of this happening mate, one already lining up for a Melbourne and Sydney side

 

[ant555]

nothing surer of this happening mate, one already lining up for a Melbourne and Sydney side

Personally I do not think we need the Melbourne Super Kings.

 

[Phone]

im reffering to the blokes who cross a border for another opportunity. Blake McDonald has already played FC cricket for NSW and wasn't good enough. Jake Doran wasn't good enough for NSW. that list could add numerous more names. Australian cricket is scared to give youngsters a go. Imagine Dylan Brasher was afforded an opportunity in lieu of Blake McDonald? that is what bothers me. Across numerous sports. Dont give me the "they probably aren't ready" line because you simply dont know if you dont give them a chance.

Harry Kane was to be sold by Daniel Levy, it was only because Harry Redknapp desperately needed someone that he gave HK a go and the rest is history. That list could add numerous more names across many sports

I don't know why you spent so much time talking about NSW stuff when you clearly don't know what was going on. In the bold case, Doran scored boatloads of runs in junior pathways and Tasmania made him a big offer when he was 18yo (likely both money and a certain spot in the team). NSW didn't match it. That was different to him not being good enough, he was just poached at a very young age

as it so happens, jake doran has ended up doing nothing in his career and probably should have toughed it out in NSW for a couple more seasons