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The Jamarra Thread

Will Jamarra ever play senior footy for the Bulldogs again?

  • Yes

    Votes: 46 14.6%

  • No

    Votes: 228 72.2%

  • Unsure / Don't care

    Votes: 42 13.3%
  • Total voters
    316

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dogwatch said:
Couldn't agree more Norm.
But I've found it's a waste of time pleading for restraint. Some are very good. Others may go quiet for a day or two and then it's on again. It seems some people just can't restrain themselves.

And before anyone jumps in with a caustic "we're not even allowed to talk about it" let me say that some posts on the subject are thoughtful, constructive, original. Well worth posting. Unfortunately there are a lot of others that are unhelpful, ill-considered or simply repetitive.

The only reason I started this thread was because the Jamarra stuff was spilling over into all our regular threads, some of which are actually useful. If we delete this thread it's just going to appear all over the place again.

At least this way it mostly stays in its lane.
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I cannot see why we would not be talking about our number 1 draft selection who is not playing and not injured. I think the whole football world knows he has a lot of problems. Imagine our team with a fit Bont, an inform Marra and Sam. We all crave another flag for the dogs whilst we still have The Bont. The JUH saga is diminishing our chances onfield and giving the club bad press off field. i feel sorry for him if he has addiction but as long as we are respectful supporters we are within our rights to be annoyed by what has happened.
 
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Optimistic Dog said:
I cannot see why we would not be talking about our number 1 draft selection who is not playing and not injured.
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If that's all you have taken out of this morning's discussion then I think you have missed the point.

I didn't say don't talk about it.

Anyway, I'm not going over it all again. Maybe just read back over some of those recent posts.
 
The White Mouse said:
Your life experience will have a significant bearing on the way you view this situation, wearing the consequences for your own choices being most likely central to it.

There are also 2 parties to this situation. JUH, who put this hand up to be extended on big dollars and the club (list managers) who thought that was a good idea.

Given how it's panning out, consequences for both is fair.
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From what I've read, not a single person has said that JUH wouldn't wear the consequences for any of his actions. To keep pushing that line is a bit naff IMO

From what I can see, there are two camps. Those that want to kick him to kerb, and those that want to support him or want the club to support him through whatever is happening at the moment.

Interested in your specific life experiences that drive your opinion on it? And why do you seemingly think those are more valuable than someone else's that may result in a different outlook?
 

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BEaston said:
From what I've read, not a single person has said that JUH wouldn't wear the consequences for any of his actions. To keep pushing that line is a bit naff IMO

From what I can see, there are two camps. Those that want to kick him to kerb, and those that want to support him or want the club to support him through whatever is happening at the moment.

Interested in your specific life experiences that drive your opinion on it? And why do you seemingly think those are more valuable than someone else's that may result in a different outlook?
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Does it seem that way? My views are my own and formed based upon my experiences, interpretations and analysis. I will concede that I may not be right. But being right doesn't interest me. Perspective does, right or wrong. Of course, how you present that perspective may interest me or alternatively bore me.

I may unshakedly believe the sky to be green. Of course I'd be wrong but something would have led me to that belief.

I don't believe that I've been lecturing anybody. I am advocating a view. How widely that view is held, shared or dismissed is irrelevant to me.

It really doesn't matter whether any poster here says he will or won't wear the consequences. He'll make choices, good or bad, and there will be consequences.

My specific life experiences are not for public consumption but they undoubtedly shape my view of things.
 
The White Mouse said:
Does it seem that way? My views are my own and formed based upon my experiences, interpretations and analysis. I will concede that I may not be right. But being right doesn't interest me. Perspective does, right or wrong. Of course, how you present that perspective may interest me or alternatively bore me.

I may unshakedly believe the sky to be green. Of course I'd be wrong but something would have led me to that belief.

I don't believe that I've been lecturing anybody. I am advocating a view. How widely that view is held, shared or dismissed is irrelevant to me.

It really doesn't matter whether any poster here says he will or won't wear the consequences. He'll make choices, good or bad, and there will be consequences.

My specific life experiences are not for public consumption but they undoubtedly shape my view of things.
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Having said all of the above, perhaps answering the following questions might shed some light.

  1. Do the majority of his team mates trust him?
  2. Will the majority of his team mates ever trust him?
  3. Do a significant number of his team mates feel resentment that they're busting their arses on an average AFL wage whilst he's skiving on top dollar?
  4. Will a number of his team mates be angry that a hobbled Naughts is stepping up to the plate well underdone while a talented but uncommitted replacement finds himself.
My life experience suggests to me that the answer to questions 1 and 2 is no and that the answer to questions 3 and 4 is yes.

My life experience also suggests that earned trust and faith in your team mates/colleagues is actually what gets you over the line in high pressure situations.

My life experience tells me to terminate him.
 
The White Mouse said:
Having said all of the above, perhaps answering the following questions might shed some light.

  1. Do the majority of his team mates trust him?
  2. Will the majority of his team mates ever trust him?
  3. Do a significant number of his team mates feel resentment that they're busting their arses on an average AFL wage whilst he's skiving on top dollar?
  4. Will a number of his team mates be angry that a hobbled Naughts is stepping up to the plate well underdone while a talented but uncommitted replacement finds himself.
My life experience suggests to me that the answer to questions 1 and 2 is no and that the answer to questions 3 and 4 is yes.

My life experience also suggests that earned trust and faith in your team mates/colleagues is actually what gets you over the line in high pressure situations.

My life experience tells me to terminate him.
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My life experiences tell me that your list of questions are incredibly biased and would have you kicked out of a third tier Arts Degree course.
 
The White Mouse said:
Having said all of the above, perhaps answering the following questions might shed some light.

  1. Do the majority of his team mates trust him?
  2. Will the majority of his team mates ever trust him?
  3. Do a significant number of his team mates feel resentment that they're busting their arses on an average AFL wage whilst he's skiving on top dollar?
  4. Will a number of his team mates be angry that a hobbled Naughts is stepping up to the plate well underdone while a talented but uncommitted replacement finds himself.
My life experience suggests to me that the answer to questions 1 and 2 is no and that the answer to questions 3 and 4 is yes.

My life experience also suggests that earned trust and faith in your team mates/colleagues is actually what gets you over the line in high pressure situations.

My life experience tells me to terminate him.
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I assume the majority of players have been told he's going through some personal issues and because they're not dinosaurs they say yep, fair enough, and get on with their lives.
 
Bald said:
I assume the majority of players have been told he's going through some personal issues and because they're not dinosaurs they say yep, fair enough, and get on with their lives.
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That would be your experience? Ah no my bad, assumption. You stated it quite clearly.

My experience and also my assumption is that that will be anything but the case and a significant contributing factor as to why he won’t be on our list beyond this year ... at the latest.
 

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I think it's important to point out that not many of us have ever had to deal with life in the public eye. Celebrity. Meh, who'd want it? I get why some people are making comparisons between well-paid footballers and people in, let's say, 'ordinary' jobs. Of course, if you see someone skiving off in the office, on the building site, etc...whilst you are busting your chops, it's not going to sit well. We want people to be accountable for their lack of effort and commitment. Perhaps especially so in egalitarian Australia. But I do think that we are dealing with a different beast altogether when we talk about young people with significant public profiles. It can be bloody hard and confusing to be an adolescent - god knows I wouldn't want to go back there. Whether it be struggling with impulse control, regulating your emotions, knowing who your friends are and who to trust, experimenting with your world view and your moral framework - there is so much going on in that adolescent brain. Imagine going through that, but in the public domain. And under the gaze of such emotionally invested people as club supporters, who can be as fickle as the day is long. You only have to have a cursory glance at a game day thread to see that these human beings whom we love can go from hero to zero with frightening speed.

There is the occasional old soul, like Tom Boyd, who can make extraordinarily mature decisions under public pressure. And I'll wager that he had an immense network of support around him to get him to that stage. But there are other young players who are still sorting things out and who are not ready, for whatever reason, to make confident, mature decisions. That's not saying that Jamarra doesn't need to take personal responsibility, but everybody has their own journey. I really don't get the impression that Jamarra is taking the mick. Nor is he breaking any laws. He's a lad who is sorting himself out, and the consequences that come with his choices will shape the man. Whether that man will be a professional AFL player remains to be seen.
 
The White Mouse said:
Does it seem that way? My views are my own and formed based upon my experiences, interpretations and analysis. I will concede that I may not be right. But being right doesn't interest me. Perspective does, right or wrong. Of course, how you present that perspective may interest me or alternatively bore me.

I may unshakedly believe the sky to be green. Of course I'd be wrong but something would have led me to that belief.

I don't believe that I've been lecturing anybody. I am advocating a view. How widely that view is held, shared or dismissed is irrelevant to me.

It really doesn't matter whether any poster here says he will or won't wear the consequences. He'll make choices, good or bad, and there will be consequences.

My specific life experiences are not for public consumption but they undoubtedly shape my view of things.
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More fluff than my belly button.
 
The White Mouse said:
My life experience tells me to terminate him.
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The T-800 posting on our board, what a privilege.

The White Mouse said:
My work in this thread is done. I'll pop back when he's sacked or traded, whichever comes first.
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Wowee, you reckon he might be traded? Haven’t heard anyone else go out on that limb. Leave some speculation for the rest of us Edmund Hillary.
 

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Bald said:
I assume the majority of players have been told he's going through some personal issues and because they're not dinosaurs they say yep, fair enough, and get on with their lives.
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Is that what the playing group did with Stringer & Hunter, just got on with it ?
They came to a breaking point and you know it.

The playing group would know exactly what’s going on, and most likely so would other clubs and the media.

My wife used to say about young people who were a bit off the rails, nothing a few years won’t fix and in the majority of cases that’s what happens. Then there’s also the minority where you’re just wasting your time. I always hope for that maturity to emerge, sometimes it’s just never realised. I know I’m still waiting 😁

Just hoping for the best outcome for Marra and the club whatever that is. Not with a lot of confidence though.
 
yebach said:
Richmond wanted to get rid of Dusty a few years ago. He even did a tour of GWS's facilities.
But ultimately no other club wanted him.
Then he grew up and won them 3 flags.
I hope we have a similar story with Jamara.
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That’s not my recollection at all. Didn’t North offer him a lot of cash?
 
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