The Jamarra Thread

[dogwatch]

Does Marra have siblings who could be in the draft pipeline (perhaps even as NGA prospects)?

I wonder what sort of effect this very public drama is having on them and any dreams they may have about pursuing a career in footy.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Does Marra have siblings who could be in the draft pipeline (perhaps even as NGA prospects)?

I wonder what sort of effect this very public drama is having on them and any dreams they may have about pursuing a career in footy.

JUH has a younger brother in our NGA

 

[geoffjennings79]

There are no winners here.
Not JUH.
Not BF posters and their posting, on either side of the debate. (My opinion, of course.)
Not his family.
Not his team mates.
Not his club.

The only ones seemingly gaining anything atm (debatable if that's "winning"), are the media, and his "mates".

And that's about all I have to contribute. If JUH ever pulls on a RWB jumper for a game again, I'll comment in the relevant thread/s.

Anyhoo, catch you all elsewhere on this board.

 

[weltschmerz]

Does Marra have siblings who could be in the draft pipeline (perhaps even as NGA prospects)?

I wonder what sort of effect this very public drama is having on them and any dreams they may have about pursuing a career in footy.

Three or four younger brothers, one’s in our academy

 

[Bushdid911]

There are no winners here.
Not JUH.
Not BF posters and their posting, on either side of the debate. (My opinion, of course.)
Not his family.
Not his team mates.
Not his club.

The only ones seemingly gaining anything atm (debatable if that's "winning"), are the media, and his "mates".

And that's about all I have to contribute. If JUH ever pulls on a RWB jumper for a game again, I'll comment in the relevant thread/s.

Anyhoo, catch you all elsewhere on this board.

I'm with you and the coach on this one, I'd much rather talk about the players that are actually here.

 

[JohnnySteel]

I’d imagine going to rehab is apart of the treatment plan that’s been put to Marra during this absence of leave. Ball seems to be firmly in his court.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Feel sorry for Bevo putting up with this crap week after week the club have put out a statement and the media still ask questions.

Dogs 'move away' from Ugle-Hagan talk after statement

Luke Beveridge says latest update on star's break from the game allows everyone room to 'move beyond it'

www.afl.com.au

WESTERN Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge wants to move on from talking about Jamarra Ugle-Hagan after the star forward took indefinite leave from the club.

The 2020 No.1 draft pick may well have played his last game for the Bulldogs, who announced this week that Ugle-Hagan will be given whatever time he needs to deal with personal issues.

Ugle-Hagan had previously been working on flexible training arrangements, and has not played since the 2024 season.
Beveridge on Friday refused to buy into speculation Ugle-Hagan might not feature again at AFL level, insisting he remains focused on his active playing group and a round-eight clash with Port Adelaide.

"Nothing's really changed there for me," Beveridge said when asked about Ugle-Hagan being granted leave.
"As I've said before, all my energy has just gone into what we can influence and control here.

"It's pleasing that hopefully there's some initiative there that's different and we hope it leads to a really good outcome.

"Now that there's been a club statement and it expresses what's actually happening, we'll move away from it for a while and hope Jamarra goes really well in this period of finding himself both in life and then in the game."

Pressed on whether he is concerned Ugle-Hagan won't play another AFL game, Beveridge said: "I've answered these questions before.
I just said that there's a club statement and to respect now Jamarra's privacy and what he's going to go through.

"And as I said, keeping the focus on this week and what's up ahead. Let's move beyond it."

Beveridge's immediate task is reversing the Bulldogs' trend of four straight losses to Port Adelaide when the two sides clash at Ballarat's Mars Stadium on Saturday.

 

[Cudi]

I'm no expert but we as a society clearly have a long way to go in understanding mental health.

Unless I've missed it, it hasn't been stated anywhere by the club, Jamarra or any journos it's "mental health". It's only been reported as "personal issues". The club clearly stated mental health in statements in the past with players like Cloke, Boyd and Smith but haven't here. I think it's safe to assume in this situation personal issues doesn't automatically equate to mental health issue.

 

[Doggies_13]

Not automatic, but it's been shown repeatedly in research that substance abuse (as has been alleged) and poor mental health are usually closely aligned.
Generally people don't go off the rails for no reason.

There are so many other factors for substance abuse and for going off the rails.

Environmental factors are a major factor.

There is as much chance it’s the environment he’s chosen to place himself in that has led to his choices to fall into substance abuse and go off the rails.

I don’t see anyone using mental health as an excuse for Charlie Clarke not making it. And JUH has placed himself in the identical environment to him. I also don’t see anyone using mental health for the entire friendship group JUH has atm. Surely they are only using substances and using JUHs money due to mental health too.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I hope the media take a step back and don't persist with questions week after week. Bevo needs to give a one short sentence answer, such as "I don't have anything to add about Jamarra", not a whole paragraph. The word count adds up for the journos to quote

 

[Chalky White]

The sooner this rot is cut out of our club completely, the better. He’s a stinker

 

[BEaston]

There are so many other factors for substance abuse and for going off the rails.

Environmental factors are a major factor.

There is as much chance it’s the environment he’s chosen to place himself in that has led to his choices to fall into substance abuse and go off the rails.

I don’t see anyone using mental health as an excuse for Charlie Clarke not making it. And JUH has placed himself in the identical environment to him. I also don’t see anyone using mental health for the entire friendship group JUH has atm. Surely they are only using substances and using JUHs money due to mental health too.

There's a difference between not being good enough for AFL level football and substance abuse. Are you saying that's the reason why Clarke didn't make it? Or was he just not a good enough player? We don't know so I wouldn't comment.

On your second example, you don't know his friends' situations. Are they also throwing away their careers like JUH? Or are they able to party and continue operate in society, as most people can?

You're making a heap of assumptions in this post, and you're also equating using substances and abusing substances.

Yes, there are lots of other factors that contribute you're right on that. Even if mental health wasn't the driving factor (which again, statistically it most likely was), it is now if what has been spoken about is true.

 

[Doggies_13]

There's a difference between not being good enough for AFL level football and substance abuse. Are you saying that's the reason why Clarke didn't make it? Or was he just not a good enough player? We don't know so I wouldn't comment.

On your second example, you don't know his friends' situations. Are they also throwing away their careers like JUH? Or are they able to party and continue operate in society, as most people can?

You're making a heap of assumptions in this post, and you're also equating using substances and abusing substances.

Yes, there are lots of other factors that contribute you're right on that. Even if mental health wasn't the driving factor (which again, statistically it most likely was), it is now if what has been spoken about is true.

Clarke has been brought up multiple times in this thread as introducing JUH to this friendship group and into his current lifestyle.

Why does whether they are throwing away careers also even matter or dictate that it must be mental health?

Let’s remove substance and say it’s partying through alcohol for an example you and a friend go out every weekend and get trashed. Your body can’t handle it as much as your friend and your job is more physical than your friends, so every Monday you call in sick, your friend goes to work. You get the sack your friend still has his job.

You’ve thrown your career away and he hasn’t does that automatically mean you have mental health issues but he does not?

Yes I’ve made assumptions but so is every single person who is saying it’s mental health. Not a single person on this board is likely to have the full answer.

I don’t accept this is all stemming from mental health and I find the JUH situation and mental health excuse pretty poor.

I think it diminishes people’s views of mental health as a real problem. As someone that has lost two people to suicide and have coached youth football and had nights on the phone to players contemplating harm due to their mental health I think JUH is making a mockery of a real problem

 

[Mutt]

Clarke has been brought up multiple times in this thread as introducing JUH to this friendship group and into his current lifestyle.

Why does whether they are throwing away careers also even matter or dictate that it must be mental health?

Let’s remove substance and say it’s partying through alcohol for an example you and a friend go out every weekend and get trashed. Your body can’t handle it as much as your friend and your job is more physical than your friends, so every Monday you call in sick, your friend goes to work. You get the sack your friend still has his job.

You’ve thrown your career away and he hasn’t does that automatically mean you have mental health issues but he does not?

Yes I’ve made assumptions but so is every single person who is saying it’s mental health. Not a single person on this board is likely to have the full answer.

I don’t accept this is all stemming from mental health and I find the JUH situation and mental health excuse pretty poor.

I think it diminishes people’s views of mental health as a real problem. As someone that has lost two people to suicide and have coached youth football and had nights on the phone to players contemplating harm due to their mental health I think JUH is making a mockery of a real problem

There is so much wrong with this post that I don't even know where to begin. How about you give it a rest on this thread for a while?

 

[yebach]

He needs to want the help

Just quietly, I think Tom Morris needs some help.
Rich, spoiled brat talking s**t for a living.

Whatever Tom Morris's opinion is, it's wrong.

 

[BEaston]

Clarke has been brought up multiple times in this thread as introducing JUH to this friendship group and into his current lifestyle.

Yes but you for some baffling reason brought up his career ending and linked it to mental health. So you're assuming he has substance abuse issues and that's why it ended? I'm saying he could have just been not good enough at football for AFL. We don't know. Nobody referenced mental health for Clarke not making it, just like nobody does for 99% of players that get delisted.
You seem to be arguing because nobody referenced for Clarke, they shouldn't for JUH. I'm saying you don't even know a) why Clarke was delisted, and b) whether their circumstances are even remotely similar. I'm not going to comment further on Clarke.

Why does whether they are throwing away careers also even matter or dictate that it must be mental health?

It doesn't dictate it (that's so black and white), but people that just like having some beers on the weekend, without any other issues, can usually manage to hold down a job. Where it intertwines with substance abuse and affecting other aspects of your life or others' lives, mental health is usually a large driver. This is just what all the current research and understanding shows. Again, I don't have a phd on the topic but it's pretty well common knowledge (I thought)

Let’s remove substance and say it’s partying through alcohol for an example you and a friend go out every weekend and get trashed. Your body can’t handle it as much as your friend and your job is more physical than your friends, so every Monday you call in sick, your friend goes to work. You get the sack your friend still has his job.

You’ve thrown your career away and he hasn’t does that automatically mean you have mental health issues but he does not?

No it doesn't automatically (again, so black and white). In general though, someone who is well adjusted and in a good head space would change their behavior to suit their circumstances. Calling in sick every Monday is not a sign of someone that is well adjusted and in a good head space. Partying is affecting their life/livelihood which would most likely indicate something else is going on.

I don’t accept this is all stemming from mental health and I find the JUH situation and mental health excuse pretty poor.

I think it diminishes people’s views of mental health as a real problem. As someone that has lost two people to suicide and have coached youth football and had nights on the phone to players contemplating harm due to their mental health I think JUH is making a mockery of a real problem

I'm sorry you've had to experience that.
However, I think your definition/understanding of mental health is quite narrow. There's no one path people follow or definition to fit into.

 

[X_box_X]

The whole situation is ludicrous.

Not only is he being paid very well to live the high life, but no doubt he will make a handsome profit in years to come when he releases a book and/or documentary.

Despite a large part of the story will be around his time in the AFL, we won't get a cent which is bloody wrong.

Surely there has to be some sort of compensation given to us from this cluster of a situation. It's not like we took a risk like Richmond did with Cousins, or we took with Aker & Hall (totally different but I'm talking about baggage).

We could not nave foreseen this coming so the circumstances are different compared to the previous examples where teams knew the risk before signing those premiership stars to contracts.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Why are people clinging to this being a mental health issue?

Why are you discounting the possibility?

Especially when his mental health issues are the reasons that both the club and the league have cited as being behind his recalcitrant absence from the game.

Since when is bad life choices automatically a result of mental health, the term as become so broad now that it’s used as a catch all for when ever some takes a stupid path in life and it’s at the point that it diminishes and devalues the term for those people that actually have mental health issues.

For the same reason that a nation with a social safety net and access to drug rehabilitation programs still has people living and begging on the streets of every major city in the country. When people are struggling with their mental heath they are prone to making terrible self destructive life choices. You know, like flushing a promising and incredibly lucrative career down the shitter.

As Ive said previously. It's amazing how often sports fans readily cast doubt on any player who inconveniences their club supporting activities. It literally happens on every occasion a player goes public and its why players try and push through it until they cant and they need to take time away from the game.

Now JUH has made choices of who he wants to spend his time with, he’s decided he doesn’t want to fulfil his employment obligations and would rather hit the gym or box with his mates then get on the piss or more and through his own words and requests has wanted to play. He basically wants to just rock up and play each week but not train.

I would suggest that if what you say is true, then we are dealing with somebody who is not in a good mental health space given he would fully understand the demands placed upon a full time athlete. No player in a good head space would believe the they could rock up and play the game. To suggest any right thinking player would is pretty asinine.

Now in a few years time when he’s at best playing bush league (as that’s the only play that attitude flys) the moneys dried up, the parties over and these mates are gone cause he isn’t paying for everything any more.

Do you seriously think that he's destroying his career for shits and giggles?

He'd be well aware that unless he can get his issues under control that once this contract and whatever negotiated outcome can be arrived that will see him leave the game before the 2026 season. His career would be over and I suspect that right now he couldn't care less.

Then mental health issues will likely arise.

They've clearly been manifesting for some time. Its clear for all to see now.

Right now he is making a mockery of mental health for those that actually suffer from it

No. He's acting out exactly how one would expect somebody with mental health issues would.

By turning his back on all of the help and outside mentoring that has been offered up to him.

In preference for a group of enablers from outside of the system who are either poorly advising him or completely leading on and enabling his wayward behaviour.

Its an nonsense for anybody even one of the games greats to suggest that he's "taking the piss."

 

[Cudi]

Why are you discounting the possibility?

Especially when his mental health issues are the reasons that both the club and the league have cited as being behind his recalcitrant absence from the game.

I don't think this is the case though, the club and league have never cited it as mental health but as personal issues.

For whatever reason the club in statements have chosen not to say it's mental health, while previously with other players they have clearly stated it's mental health.

 

[Doggies_13]

There is so much wrong with this post that I don't even know where to begin. How about you give it a rest on this thread for a while?

Unless I’ve broken a rule or been disrespectful to another poster I can comment on any thread I like.

I’ve engaged with other posters respectfully with us having differing views.

You seem to come at people in your mod role only if their opinion differs from yours

 

[Doggies_13]

Yes but you for some baffling reason brought up his career ending and linked it to mental health. So you're assuming he has substance abuse issues and that's why it ended? I'm saying he could have just been not good enough at football for AFL. We don't know. Nobody referenced mental health for Clarke not making it, just like nobody does for 99% of players that get delisted.
You seem to be arguing because nobody referenced for Clarke, they shouldn't for JUH. I'm saying you don't even know a) why Clarke was delisted, and b) whether their circumstances are even remotely similar. I'm not going to comment further on Clarke.


It doesn't dictate it (that's so black and white), but people that just like having some beers on the weekend, without any other issues, can usually manage to hold down a job. Where it intertwines with substance abuse and affecting other aspects of your life or others' lives, mental health is usually a large driver. This is just what all the current research and understanding shows. Again, I don't have a phd on the topic but it's pretty well common knowledge (I thought)



No it doesn't automatically (again, so black and white). In general though, someone who is well adjusted and in a good head space would change their behavior to suit their circumstances. Calling in sick every Monday is not a sign of someone that is well adjusted and in a good head space. Partying is affecting their life/livelihood which would most likely indicate something else is going on.


I'm sorry you've had to experience that.
However, I think your definition/understanding of mental health is quite narrow. There's no one path people follow or definition to fit into.

But necessarily saying that because someone calls in sick every Monday means there’s a major issue doesn’t factor in the other factors.

If the only difference between the habits of two people are that one calls in sick every Monday after a weekend partying whilst the over rocks up for work every Monday after a weekend partying doesn’t necessarily mean the one calling in sick has mental health issues.

There could be multiple other factors such as the one calling in sick has a strenuous physical job whilst the one going to work sits in a vehicle or at a desk most of the day or works from home. Therefore, it may be a more physical issue.

I haven’t said it’s black and white, I’ve said it could be multiple other factors rather than mental health.

Personally I don’t think it’s a mental health issue. It’s never been announced as a mental health issue.

Personal issue is the word being used.

I have a narrower view of mental health I mentioned in my original post I think it’s been broadened way to far and as a result it in my opinion has diminished the view of it and societies acceptance and empathy for it

 

[threenewpadlocks]

It's worth noting that reporting has referenced Dr Hall who is the AFL's head of Mental Health and Wellbeing being at the centre of the AFL's dealing and for lack of better term treatment here.

OK the club might not have specifically come out and said it but a mental health psychologist being hea ily involved in treatment would suggest either a mental health or at least mental wellbeing aspect to it all.

And even aside from all that, I think people can reasonably infer mental health from self-destructive behaviours. He's throwing away both a highly-paid career beyond 2026 and the benefits other than money of being a good AFL footballer. I think to treat that as illogical and self-destructive and irrational behaviour borne out of some sort of mental ill-health is an entirely reasonable read of the events.

It's not to say that all types of mental ill-heath are the same. It's not fair to suggest a mental disorder or something overly clinical. But there's a lot about depression, anxiety that we still don't fully understand.

 

[Mutt]

Unless I’ve broken a rule or been disrespectful to another poster I can comment on any thread I like.

I’ve engaged with other posters respectfully with us having differing views.

You seem to come at people in your mod role only if their opinion differs from yours

You've posted eight times on this thread in less than 24 hours, saying the same thing over and over. And it adds nothing other than your incredibly negative and closed-minded opinion. Keep it up and cop a thread ban.

Nearly every post you make here is against the site rules. You don't appreciate how lenient we've been with you (and a number of others on here). Read the room and tone it down, or you can take your obsession elsewhere.

 

[_Mike_]

Time to sever ties with Marra and move on from the failed experiment. He’s got to sort out his own issues and the club can only do so much.

IMO I do not think Marra is cut out for footy, but there comes a time when the club has to cut its losses and move on. That time has passed IMO

I don’t wish anything untoward Marra however I’m done with the saga and I don’t want to see him play for the club again.

Unless I’ve broken a rule or been disrespectful to another poster I can comment on any thread I like.

I’ve engaged with other posters respectfully with us having differing views.

You seem to come at people in your mod role only if their opinion differs from yours

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[Doggies_13]

You've posted eight times on this thread in less than 24 hours, saying the same thing over and over. And it adds nothing other than your incredibly negative and closed-minded opinion. Keep it up and cop a thread ban.

Nearly every post you make here is against the site rules. You don't appreciate how lenient we've been with you (and a number of others on here). Read the room and tone it down, or you can take your obsession elsewhere.

I posted twice at 7.10am and 7.11am on two seperate points. Every single other post was a response to being quoted.

So there is a daily limit on posts per thread per day when others quote you, you cannot respond. Got it