Society & Culture The Jessie Wilson case

[Daytripper]

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What is annoying is the people (like you and a couple others on these boards) trying to say that every life is equal and equal resources/publicity is given to every case by the media and the police. In cases like Jill's the police have to be seen to be doing something because the media creates interest in the story. In cases like Jessie's where there is little interest the police can get away with devoting minimal resources. This is where Jessie and Jill should be equal, but they're not..

I'd be interested in how many police you think were actually attached to the Meagher case.

 

[Daytripper]

It's the false notion that everyone's created equal and everyone and will receive equal attention/resources/care from the public that irks me about this situation.

As far as I know each missing person gets the same amount of attention from the police - if you've got differing information then I'd be interested in hearing it.

 

[Daytripper]

I'm curious if you think something needs to change though. Would you prefer every case to be front page news? Things to be swept under the carpet KGB style? Or an Orwellian 'thought police' that could temper public reaction?

This is what I want to know.

 

[checkraiseulite]

I'd be interested in how many police you think were actually attached to the Meagher case.

How many there actually were is irrelevant. All that matters (for the argument you're trying to negate) is the differential between the resources involved in the Meagher case and other cases likely deemed less important.

 

[The Passenger]

JockStewart you have much to learn my good friend.

Gather round i shall explain to you the first 10,000 rules of bigfooty: arguing with Daytripper is like banging your head against a brick wall, whilst someone simultaneously shoves hot coals up your ass.

Go home, memorize those 21 words, and the next nine years of your bigfooty experience will be greater for it.

Catfish Alley, no, I don't want to every murder to be receive media saturation, much the same I don't want every murder to hardly register. That some cases are more high profile than others points to a double standard both in society and in media.

the obvious point is that a good looking white girl in his mid to late 20's attracts a lot more attention from the public than other demographics of society.

i don't necessarily blame the media. somehow i'm semi on DT's side here, and i guess in a way you can expect that particular demographic will attract more public interest and the media is generally just feeding the public what they want.

but the fact is, it isn't just a slight bias towards that particular demographic, but a massively disproportional media coverage that is given. this is both driven by society, and by the media, in a somewhat downward spiral effect.

it also happens in some of the few print media that i do enjoy. for instance time magazine, about 3ish months ago ran article on wives/gf's of american soldiers who had committed suicide since their husbands/boyfriends came home.... all of the women (i think there was 4 in total from memory) in the article were good looking girls aged under 35.... i doubt that is a true demographical representation of women who have been effected by said events.

 

[Daytripper]

It's the out pouring of grief by a salivating public hungry for more grief pr0n and the mejia that forced the police into acting as quickly as they did. Had they not done so they would have had a PR disaster on their hands.

So what you're saying is that if it wasn't for the media then the killer would most probably be still running around. Besides being fundamentally incorrect (he would have been their number 1 or number 2 target) I'm not sure what is wrong with apprehending killers early anyway.

 

[checkraiseulite]

As far as I know each missing person gets the same amount of attention from the police - if you've got differing information then I'd be interested in hearing it.

I'd urge you to go down and report a 45 year old unemployed, single male with no family missing. See how that works out for you.

You are very naive.

 

[Daytripper]

How many there actually were is irrelevant. All that matters (for the argument you're trying to negate) is the differential between the resources involved in the Meagher case and other cases likely deemed less important.

As far as I know there was little to no differential. Less than 20 police in total IIRC.

 

[checkraiseulite]

As far as I know there was little to no differential. Less than 20 police in total IIRC.

Please enlighten us at to what information you're privy to. Or is that secret police business?

20 is actually more than I thought (assuming they were solely attached to the Meagher case).

I'd be surprised if there are more than 2 (or even 0) detectives actively working the Sandrine case>

 

[Daytripper]

I'd urge you to go down and report a 45 year old unemployed, single male with no family missing. See how that works out for you.

You are very naive.

Mate - when Meagher was first reported missing she got minimal attention due to the 48 hour rule plus because it was a weekend it was impossible to do any forensic checking of her bank records etc.

It was only when the CCTV footage became available that more resources were thrown at it - And that would be the same situation for every person.

You've been watching too much CSI, I think.

 

[checkraiseulite]

JockStewart

i don't necessarily blame the media. somehow i'm semi on DT's side here, and i guess in a way you can expect that particular demographic will attract more public interest and the media is generally just feeding the public what they want.

Agreeing with this is not a kin to being on Daytripper's side.

He also says all disappearances receive the same amount of media attention, which is patently untrue.

 

[Daytripper]

Please enlighten us at to what information you're privy to. Or is that secret police business?

20 is actually more than I thought (assuming they were solely attached to the Meagher case).

I'd be surprised if there are more than 2 (or even 0) detectives actively working the Sandrine case>

And that would be about right for everyone who has been missing for that amount of time. The reason there were 20 is because they had police sitting on the suspect 24/7.

 

[Daytripper]

He also says all disappearances receive the same amount of media attention, which is patently untrue.

I did not say that.

Simply, most initial disappearances receive generally the same amount of attention. Its not my fault or the medias fault if you don't read the papers thorougly.

After that, the story will either grow or disappear according to the publics reaction.

 

[checkraiseulite]

You've been watching too much CSI, I think.

how long was it before she made the news? it was pretty quick from memory.

you are naive to believe that if jessie (for example) was in jill's exact position, she would have received the same attention/resources/media coverage.

horatio signing off this thread, i've got some real cases to solve.

 

[Helicopter Punt]

the obvious point is that a good looking white girl in his mid to late 20's attracts a lot more attention from the public than other demographics of society.

I knew him long before he ever became a Jersey girl.

 

[JockStewart]

She went missing early Sunday morning..that days evenings main news it was mentioned. By Monday morning on ABC breakfast they mentioned her in all their updates.

Hardly 48 hours.

 

[Nez Mia]

Interested in others' thoughts on this tragedy, the same tragic end that befell Jill Meagher and the woman in Moe (whose name I cannot find) at roughly the same time.



From reports, Jessie was "known to police", and had been planning on moving in with relatives in the Port Adelaide area before she went missing.
She was found two weeks after she was last seen, in a field and in a decomposed state.

I can guarantee Jessie's unfortunate death will NOT:
Flood mainstream media;
Engender mass concern and sympathies;
Trend on Twitter;
Receive an emotional on-air eulogy;
Result in about "30,000 people marching through the streets";
Result in a 1,400-post thread.

We all know what I'm referring to.
In now way do I want to trivialise anyone's life/death.
And the reality is that Jill's sad end is off the air: She was found, a man's been charged, she was buried. Her "news cycle" has ended. Question is: Will Jessie's even come close?

 

[Nez Mia]

I promised myself that I would not let the general public get to me about this case. But for the record Jessie was my cousin and it annoys me that people who have NO idea who Jessie was or where she came from are judging her and making speculations! No matter what, Jessie did not deserve to die like this - Aboriginal or not! Justice needs to be served for the sake of Jessie's mum, daughter and brothers and sister! They need closure for the daughter/mother/sister they once knew!

 

[JapanFootball]

I think I know what I'm talking about.
However, those traditions are stronger and more intact in the NT than elsewhere.

Regardless, this is no out for media not highlighting this case and trying to find the culprit.

I don't think you do. I worked with many groups of Aboriginal people throughout Western Australia and was involved with a large numbers of kids who were on to their third or fourth name because members of their family with their name had died. It made school enrolments a huge challenge.

 

[Daytripper]

She went missing early Sunday morning..that days evenings main news it was mentioned. By Monday morning on ABC breakfast they mentioned her in all their updates.

Hardly 48 hours.

Jill Meager went missing Friday night/Saturday morning.

 

[JockStewart]

Jill Meager went missing Friday night/Saturday morning.

Then i heard it on Saturday night then. I got my days mixed up.

 

[Username_lost]

Then i heard it on Saturday night then. I got my days mixed up.

Pretty clear you've got more than your days mixed up.

 

[Sebastian Balboa]

I promised myself that I would not let the general public get to me about this case. But for the record Jessie was my cousin and it annoys me that people who have NO idea who Jessie was or where she came from are judging her and making speculations! No matter what, Jessie did not deserve to die like this - Aboriginal or not! Justice needs to be served for the sake of Jessie's mum, daughter and brothers and sister! They need closure for the daughter/mother/sister they once knew!

Feel for you, Nez. No-one deserves to meet their end like this
I hope from my OP and subsequent posts I haven't done anything to offend you guys.

My rationale was to highlight media and society hypocrisy in covering similar cases.

 

[Silent Alarm]

Meh, is anyone surprised?

Our culture is balanced in favour of the anglo-saxon Australian. Be attractive, and you'll be even more liked... live in Australia's most cultural city? Even more so.

An unattractive, Aboriginal woman living arguably the most stigmatised state in Australia? Yeah. Good luck with the airtime.

This is just a 21st century case of race relations that's just... as old as humanity. The white, mainstream Australian still places more importance on white people (unless it's an Aboriginal or Asylum Seeker living up to their unfortunate stereotypes). I don't know how any functioning Australian over the age of 10 is surprised by any of this.

 

[JockStewart]

In that case lets drop the frustrating charade and be honest with ourselves. Australia is still a white society, sure there's ethnic influences all over the place but the majority of aussies still think and like to think of australia as white with a tolerance to other races.