Tertiary and Continuing The Law Thread

[DTRAIN87]

Admin was far and away the hardest subject we did.
Oh and civil procedure... hard to stay awake.

Civil was boring and what made it much much worse was that our lecturer decided to make the exam a raft of essay questions that had no relation to the course assessments or material from the semester. Personally I found them far more enjoyable then writing statement of claims and defences. Unit on thewhole was ****ed though and there needs to be much reform to it at the uni I undertook it at.

 

[Elixuh]

Admin was far and away the hardest subject we did.

That's what I had heard heading into the subject. We had a brilliant lecturer though and his learning guide was basically a text book. I enjoyed Admin and even though the avg mark was a 4 I did reasonably well (but only because of the lecturer IMO).

 

[eaglespremiers]

Civil was boring and what made it much much worse was that our lecturer decided to make the exam a raft of essay questions that had no relation to the course assessments or material from the semester. Personally I found them far more enjoyable then writing statement of claims and defences. Unit on thewhole was screwed though and there needs to be much reform to it at the uni I undertook it at.

We had a lecturer called Roger Douglas for our lecture.
Basically written a book in every field of law.
Was a lawyer for some small amount of time and lost every case he attempted (or so he quips).
The guy talks like he is a manifestation of his own textbooks and you'd be better off just reading the book than coming to the lectures.

 

[eaglespremiers]

That's what I had heard heading into the subject. We had a brilliant lecturer though and his learning guide was basically a text book. I enjoyed Admin and even though the avg mark was a 4 I did reasonably well (but only because of the lecturer IMO).

The only way I passed that subject was that we got a hold of a 100+ page overview of the course and memorised that for the two weeks before the exam.
I remember coming out of those lectures and feeling more confused than I had going in.
Though my study habits left much to be desired and I don't think I would find it as difficult now.

 

[750mlPump]

We had a lecturer called Roger Douglas for our lecture.
Basically written a book in every field of law.
Was a lawyer for some small amount of time and lost every case he attempted (or so he quips).
The guy talks like he is a manifestation of his own textbooks and you'd be better off just reading the book than coming to the lectures.

Haha so true. John Willis> Roger Douglas anyway.

 

[eaglespremiers]

John Willis

Gotta watch out for those pack of heroes.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

Law degrees are pretty pointless unless you are going to practice.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Law degrees are pretty pointless unless you are going to practice.

You've got that right.
I've got a law degree and I'll never practice.

 

[checkraiseulite]

Law degrees are pretty pointless unless you are going to practice.

Rubbish.

 

[DTRAIN87]

Rubbish.

Teffy is an idiot so don't worry about what he writes.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

Rubbish.

There's nothing I could learn at Uni about law that I couldn't learn by reading two dozen choice books.

Maybe you're the type that needs your hand held.

 

[eaglespremiers]

There's nothing I could learn at Uni about law that I couldn't learn by reading two dozen choice books.

Yet reading books alone won't allow you to practice.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

Yet reading books alone won't allow you to practice.

Hence my earlier point:

Law degrees are pretty pointless unless you are going to practice.

I'm not being dismissive of law as an intellectual pursuit. Everyone should educate themselves about law.

 

[eaglespremiers]

I'm not being dismissive of law as an intellectual pursuit. Everyone should educate themselves about law.

Lot of avenues for the law graduate to pursue.
Not just practice.

 

[checkraiseulite]

There's nothing I could learn at Uni about law that I couldn't learn by reading two dozen choice books.

I agree with this, however it has nothing to do with the benefits of a law degree for those not intending to practice.

DUCY?

Also, just curious as to what education you have?

 

[BomberFletch31]

Civil was boring

I beg to differ. I enjoyed CivPro, it was my first taste of what it would be like in practice, learning about rules of court and writing statements of claim.

 

[jo172]

I beg to differ. I enjoyed CivPro, it was my first taste of what it would be like in practice, learning about rules of court and writing statements of claim.

I found the complete opposite.

 

[Dont_Argue]

hey just wondering if anyone who did LAW5104: Civil procedure 506 during the year could send me the tutorial booklet? They didnt release one for summer school.. also if anyone has notes haha would be much appreciated!

 

[Impunity!]

There's nothing I could learn at Uni about law that I couldn't learn by reading two dozen choice books.

Maybe you're the type that needs your hand held.

Lost hard at Teffy claiming he could achieve a degree level of understanding of the law by reading two dozen books.

PM me your CV Teffy and I'll see about getting you a job in our mail room.

 

[dymot]

Lost hard at Teffy claiming he could achieve a degree level of understanding of the law by reading two dozen books.

PM me your CV Teffy and I'll see about getting you a job in our mail room.

Sure he's capable of function in that role. I am certain HR also would not hold awards like FOTY from The Bay in high esteem.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

Lost hard at Teffy claiming he could achieve a degree level of understanding of the law by reading two dozen books.

PM me your CV Teffy and I'll see about getting you a job in our mail room.

Throw anything at me.

I have met many solicitors that were completely incompetent arsehats.

 

[BomberFletch31]

Throw anything at me.

I have met many solicitors that were completely incompetent arsehats.

Knowing the textbook law is quite a bit different from practising law.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

Knowing the textbook law is quite a bit different from practising law.

No shit sherlock?

 

[Donners]

Lost hard at Teffy claiming he could achieve a degree level of understanding of the law by reading two dozen books.

PM me your CV Teffy and I'll see about getting you a job in our mail room.

A degree level of understanding is not high at all, in my experience. I mentored a batch of legal trainees last year - the successful applicants from a very competitive selection process - and they knew next to nothing about the practical application of law. Then again, I've dealt with more than a few solicitors who lack understanding of key matters.

The way uni assessment works, with rote learning of material of a few units at a time over 4-5 years, does not result in long-term retention of information, and it is far too tied down in theory over practice.

I can't even remember most of the units I did, let alone their content. All my real learning has been through practice.

If people could practice law just by doing one of the PLCs without an undergraduate degree, I doubt they'd be markedly less capable. The degree strikes me more as a filtering process for those who are disinterested/not capable rather than a source of knowledge.

 

[checkraiseulite]

A degree level of understanding is not high at all, in my experience. I mentored a batch of legal trainees last year - the successful applicants from a very competitive selection process - and they knew next to nothing about the practical application of law. Then again, I've dealt with more than a few solicitors who lack understanding of key matters.

The way uni assessment works, with rote learning of material of a few units at a time over 4-5 years, does not result in long-term retention of information, and it is far too tied down in theory over practice.

I can't even remember most of the units I did, let alone their content. All my real learning has been through practice.

If people could practice law just by doing one of the PLCs without an undergraduate degree, I doubt they'd be makedly less capable. The degree strikes me more as a filtering process for those who are disinterested/not capable rather than a source of knowledge.

I just finished 5 years comm/law and this is my experience too.

Starting a traineeship next year I'm worried that I know absolutely nothing from both a practical and theoretical standpoint despite having pretty good results during the degree.