"The Left"

[Crawb]

Seems slightly hypocritical that mainstream leftists are scared of being labelled leftists by non-leftists especially when they're the first to attack the LNP or anyone to the right of them as 'right-wing conservatives' with the obvious intention of attributing to them a negative implication (creepy!).

Name me one.

 

[crackerjack4X4]

XYZ: where leftists delete their own comments in embarrassment
By David Hiscox -

July 18, 2015

http://www.xyz.net.au/xyz-where-leftists-delete-their-own-comments-in-embarrassment/

 

[Little Big John]

XYZ: where leftists delete their own comments in embarrassment
By David Hiscox -

July 18, 2015

http://www.xyz.net.au/xyz-where-leftists-delete-their-own-comments-in-embarrassment/

Rompingwins levels of self-agrandisment there.

 

[skilts]

This is just bloody typical. Everybody always ignores the right tit.

 

[Maggie5]

XYZ: where leftists delete their own comments in embarrassment
By David Hiscox -

July 18, 2015

http://www.xyz.net.au/xyz-where-leftists-delete-their-own-comments-in-embarrassment/

Is this another Bolt Report? XYZ exactly where it belongs, at the end. LOL.

 

[skilts]

I used to be of 'The Left', but then I came back.

 

[Leeda]

Right hand writing.. is this less than snoring?.

Left hand bias is torn by their need to be relevant to the community and not be expensive.

Somebody can work this out if they just press the right button and the community comes on board.

 

[DarwinRoo]

It's almost as bad as the so called Patriots calling people, who don't subscribe to their disgusting world view that Muslims are trying to take over the country, women will all be required to wear burkas etc, traitors.

 

[medusala]

It's our 3rd largest industry and our largest "value add" industry (iron ore and coal are our biggest earners - and they're in real trouble).
I'd say our ability to attract international students isn't just important, it's vital. We should be doing everything we can to entice more students here.

Its largely about getting residency though. What's the revenue (gross)? $15bn odd? Less the cost per student of providing the education. Plus the cost of Australians missing out on those places.

 

[Mofra]

Its largely about getting residency though. What's the revenue (gross)? $15bn odd? Less the cost per student of providing the education. Plus the cost of Australians missing out on those places.

The bolded bit is 100% backwards - there is nobody missing out (university enrolments are currently at or near their highest levels in our history - some conservatives want less places offered to decrease the oversupply of graduates in some industries).

The more students that study here, the more places are created which adds to the size of the industry (increased revenue, jobs, industry scalability, etc).

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

I mentioned this in another thread, but I've noticed that complaints about "the left" now seem focussed on social media users, the "Twitterati", rather than the academic 'elite' that was the primary target of blame previously.

XYZ: where leftists delete their own comments in embarrassment...
http://www.xyz.net.au/xyz-where-leftists-delete-their-own-comments-in-embarrassment/

I'm confused. The article didn't mention anyone deleting comments and did what has already been mentioned many times in this thread; accused the other side of the exact same thing they themselves were doing (swap "left" for "right" and "evil" for "naive" and the job is done here):

“We think the left generally engages in a lot of projection. We find that leftists tend to be the sort of people who want to tell other people what to do, who believe that their every thought deserves attention, and that anyone who disagrees with them is either stupid, evil, or both. A cognitive dissonance occurs when someone defies their narrative, and they accuse their opponents...”

 

[KnaveyBlue]

I used to be of 'The Left', but then I came back.

Getting older then?

"If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain."

 

[medusala]

The bolded bit is 100% backwards - there is nobody missing out (university enrolments are currently at or near their highest levels in our history - some conservatives want less places offered to decrease the oversupply of graduates in some industries).

How can you argue that there would not be more spots for Australians if there were no overseas students? Not only that but what about the places in residential colleges that locals miss out on because the colleges are told by universities that os students get priority?

It's hardly a vital industry, it's all about selling residency. If there was no prospect of students staying post study numbers would plummet.

Our top uni only ranks 41.

https://www.timeshighereducation.co...2015/reputation-ranking#/sort/0/direction/asc

Maybe instead of churning out graduates for the sake of it, we should look at the German approach.

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

How can you argue that there would not be more spots for Australians if there were no overseas students? Not only that but what about the places in residential colleges that locals miss out on because the colleges are told by universities that os students get priority?

Is this Meds being anti-free-market again or anti-small-govt again?

 

[Mofra]

How can you argue that there would not be more spots for Australians if there were no overseas students?

Do you really not understand? I just told you! We currently have more graduates enrolled than at any other time in our history.
Most tertiary institutions in Australia are private enterprises and constantly increase places for students for the $$$ - both domestic and international students.
It's not a zero sum game - international and domestic students even have different application processes.

Not only that but what about the places in residential colleges that locals miss out on because the colleges are told by universities that os students get priority?

There are currently more places and more opportunities in the industry than there ever have been.

It's hardly a vital industry, it's all about selling residency. If there was no prospect of students staying post study numbers would plummet.

Our third biggest industry & biggest "value add" industry is not vital? It's a huge earner for the country and provides tens of thousands of jobs!
If you haven't noticed, bulk commodities aren't doing so well - we need other industries.

Our top uni only ranks 41.

Reputation index is not a p&l statement.

Maybe instead of churning out graduates for the sake of it, we should look at the German approach.

But you just argued that domestic students are missing out - hardly "churning out graduates for the sake of it". Perhaps consider a consistent argument next round?

 

[Mofra]

Is this Meds being anti-free-market again or anti-small-govt again?

Anti-profitable industry it seems - I'm not sure I can agree with an economic plan that consists of "hope China start paying more for our minerals" and let's downplay the importance of value-add industries.

 

[madmug]

Anti-profitable industry it seems - I'm not sure I can agree with an economic plan that consists of "hope China start paying more for our minerals" and let's downplay the importance of value-add industries.

Well thats the current Guments approach. Just pray the $ falls so farmers can export & that the prices of Iron ore & coal rise again. I dont see any other economic 'plan'. Education is a big earner. The falling $ will help enormously. Its just a pity for the car industry & RE, other things that gave skilled employment opportunities.

 

[Mofra]

Well thats the current Guments approach. Just pray the $ falls so farmers can export & that the prices of Iron ore & coal rise again. I dont see any other economic 'plan'. Education is a big earner. The falling $ will help enormously. Its just a pity for the car industry & RE, other things that gave skilled employment opportunities.

And this goes beyond the simplistic left & right paradigm; both sides of the political divide (generally) recognize the potential for food production to become a major export earner as large swathes of China industrialise and the demand for protein rich foods increases. Australia already has an excellent food safety reputation internationally, yet we want to put a marginally profitable 20 year mine in the middle of our most fertile food production area.
Crazy stuff.

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

Well thats the current Guments approach. Just pray the $ falls

I'm actually waiting for the govt to come out and claim this was their goal all along.

 

[skilts]

Getting older then?

"If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain."

Not really, just further away. I've given up getting older.

 

[medusala]

Do you really not understand? I just told you!

Your argument is illogical. Just because there are more students now than before in no way means there wouldn't be more places for domestic students if there were less os students. Of course there would be.

Our third biggest industry & biggest "value add" industry is not vital? It's a huge earner for the country and provides tens of thousands of jobs!
If you haven't noticed, bulk commodities aren't doing so well - we need other industries.

Selling residency is barely an industry. The public service provides a vast number of jobs. Its not a great argument. What about the opportunity cost?

But you just argued that domestic students are missing out - hardly "churning out graduates for the sake of it".

Not all students study Arts, there are some worthwhile degrees.

Anti-profitable industry it seems - I'm not sure I can agree with an economic plan that consists of "hope China start paying more for our minerals" and let's downplay the importance of value-add industries.

Profitable on the back of government giving away permanent residency. Its like saying the auto industry was profitable after taking massive govt handouts.

Take away residency from os students and then what would happen? I think we all know the answer to that (well ex Ratts).

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And this goes beyond the simplistic left & right paradigm; both sides of the political divide (generally) recognize the potential for food production to become a major export earner as large swathes of China industrialise and the demand for protein rich foods increases. Australia already has an excellent food safety reputation internationally, yet we want to put a marginally profitable 20 year mine in the middle of our most fertile food production area.
Crazy stuff.

There is an industry which is crying out for some value adding. It doesn't happen though for a simple reason. See SPC etc.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Internationals paying massive fees pay the $$$ the government used to pay to keep people like me at uni. Not that hard to figure out.

 

[Gough]

I ran a textbook shop for a few years, and international students spend big.

 

[Gosha]

We should ship all the lefties to Syria so they can help destroy the west.

 

[crackerjack4X4]

The poor Germans are so frighten of being called Nazi that they have given up their country to the PC.