"The Left"

[not a warmonger]

Reforming is good otherwise we would still be living in the Victorian era or even worse, Abbott's world.

Yes capitalism is better than feudalism, however slavery was also reforming. Does this make a good argument for slavery?

 

[Maggie5]

Yes capitalism is better than feudalism, however slavery was also reforming. Does this make a good argument for slavery?

I was referring to the Webster definition of 'Left', not sure what you are on about.
I don't see an issue with the word 'reforming'.
We learn, we change, we improve or we could of course do nothing and stay the same.

 

[not a warmonger]

I was referring to the Webster definition of 'Left', not sure what you are on about.
I don't see an issue with the word 'reforming'.
We learn, we change, we improve or we could of course do nothing and stay the same.

How can you be Left if you support capitalism?

 

[Maggie5]

How can you be Left if you support capitalism?

Didn't read the word capitalism in the definition. Think you may be the only one introducing and not sure why.

 

[Schache It Off]

The left would never support capitalism.

 

[Schache It Off]

Yes capitalism is better than feudalism, however slavery was also reforming. Does this make a good argument for slavery?

**** me, you do post the exactly like Countryrace. Aren't Aliases banable?

Reported.

 

[not a warmonger]

The left would never support capitalism.

you have just acknowlegded "democracy" in Australia lives to the right

 

[Pessimistic]

How can you be Left if you support capitalism?

How can you be right and support collectivism.. Publich hospitals, schools leftist crap like that

You can be anywhere on the spectrum, but the extremes are almost identical. The anti muslim terrorist are just like the muslim terrorists, just with different geographical interests

 

[Pessimistic]

Bolt types are dangerous because society would never ever be far enough to the right for them.

In another era hed be lecturing us how slavery improved the lot of black people

 

[Eastern Rangers]

paid parental to benifit the well paid the most. Come on - you got to do better than this

As does most affirmative action policies. Those best equipped to take advantage of such policies where probably the type of people who though are amongst the target group the type of people that least needed those policies.

It's generally a case of elevating the few above the many.


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[Eastern Rangers]

How can you be right and support collectivism.. Publich hospitals, schools leftist crap like that

You can be anywhere on the spectrum, but the extremes are almost identical. The anti muslim terrorist are just like the muslim terrorists, just with different geographical interests

There is no ideological opposite to radical Islamism within the West. The closest we've seen is with Anders Breivik.


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[crackerjack4X4]

When a socialist says they want "equality" they are saying that they don't like you and they don’t like the way you are, and want to change you and want to use government force to do it. They are saying that they dislike all people because they are "different" and have different possessions, incomes, clothes, cars, property, families, ideas, educations, successes, cultures, languages, interests, entertainment, etc. They are saying they want you to believe that changing everyone is a good idea.

 

[Pessimistic]

When a socialist says they want "equality" they are saying that they don't like you and they don’t like the way you are, and want to change you and want to use government force to do it. They are saying that they dislike all people because they are "different" and have different possessions, incomes, clothes, cars, property, families, ideas, educations, successes, cultures, languages, interests, entertainment, etc. They are saying they want you to believe that changing everyone is a good idea.

Isnt the problem we are the opposite of that ?

1987. Ronald Reagan "tear down this wall"

2015. Tony Abbott " put up walls, use whatever force neccesary"


Its not just the left which has glaring inconsistencies

 

[WA ROO]

In another era hed be lecturing us how slavery improved the lot of black people

Really?
You know him that well?

 

[crackerjack4X4]

The progressives fought hard to bring Islamic migrants to Europe. They ought to be credited with bringing the realities of the Middle East to the heart of Europe.

 

[not a warmonger]

When a socialist says they want "equality" they are saying that they don't like you and they don’t like the way you are, and want to change you and want to use government force to do it. They are saying that they dislike all people because they are "different" and have different possessions, incomes, clothes, cars, property, families, ideas, educations, successes, cultures, languages, interests, entertainment, etc. They are saying they want you to believe that changing everyone is a good idea.

just like a non- muslim telling us what muslims think.

 

[not a warmonger]

The progressives fought hard to bring Islamic migrants to Europe. They ought to be credited with bringing the realities of the Middle East to the heart of Europe.

the warmongers fought hard to divide and conquer. Mr Frankenstien (the West) creates his monster (ISIS) and then starts complaining when it turns on its master??

 

[not a warmonger]

How can you be right and support collectivism.. Publich hospitals, schools leftist crap like that

You can be anywhere on the spectrum, but the extremes are almost identical. The anti muslim terrorist are just like the muslim terrorists, just with different geographical interests

Public money to private schools and hospitals is supporting the public sector??

 

[Contra Mundum]

When a socialist says they want "equality" they are saying that they don't like you and they don’t like the way you are, and want to change you and want to use government force to do it. They are saying that they dislike all people because they are "different" and have different possessions, incomes, clothes, cars, property, families, ideas, educations, successes, cultures, languages, interests, entertainment, etc. They are saying they want you to believe that changing everyone is a good idea.

Can I have some actual quotes from "socialists" or some examples - looks like a straw person argument to me. Also this is not original you could at least give us the actual author. On the basis of this all income inequality no matter how extreme is OK - also on this schema the Ancien Regime would have been OK and the peasants should not have aspired to be "equal".

Looks like crackerjack 4X4 writes for the Reclaim Australia facebook page:

When you start looking through the Socialist Alternative & Socialist Alliance FB pages it soon becomes apparent that these guys are very racist against the Jewish people. It also becomes quite clear that they support HAMAS and Palestinian terrorist organisations in bringing Israel down.

Now the Socialist Alternative & Socialist Alliance are the ones behind organising the counter protests against Reclaim Australia, they are also the ones behind No Room For Racism.

When you delve deeper into these groups reading their posts and comments you soon uncover the fact that they themselves are the Racists, Bigots and Neo Nazis with their hatred of the Jewish people and Israel itself, they disguise this in pretending to be the good guys, when in fact they are the real danger in our society today.

When a socialist says they want "equality" they are saying that they don't like you and they don’t like the way you are, and want to change you and want to use government force to do it. They are saying that they dislike all people because they are "different" and have different possessions, incomes, clothes, cars, property, families, ideas, educations, successes, cultures, languages, interests, entertainment, etc. They are saying they want you to believe that changing everyone is a good idea.

That is why they support government schools, as a way to use government to force change and stop differences and make everyone a cog in an "industrial army."

 

[Contra Mundum]

How can you be Left if you support capitalism?

Comrade Marx himself supported Capitalism - if you believe the tenets of DIAMAT

 

[Gough]

Comrade Marx himself supported Capitalism - if you believe the tenets of DIAMAT

I've always thought Marx assumed a post industrial economy, which is one of the reasons that it failed in Russia.

 

[Mofra]

I've always thought Marx assumed a post industrial economy, which is one of the reasons that it failed in Russia.

Marx also celebrated the human capacity to impact and change nature, hardly conducive to environmental concerns that are generally regarded as the domain of the modern "left"

Of course understanding this requires intellectual nuance, and the modern neo-conservative right's embrace of ignorance and anti-science makes that all but redundant in any typical debate.

 

[Chief]

See also: The fact that Rick hated Neil in The Young Ones.

 

[crackerjack4X4]

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2015/11/boo-hoo-theyre-criminals-and-dangerous-ones-at-that/

BOO HOO, THEY’RE CRIMINALS AND DANGEROUS ONES AT THAT
by Cameron Slater on November 19, 2015 at 5:30pm
The Maori Party have decided it is their turn to be crim-hugging dead-beat MPs.

Reports that Kiwi deportees were in handcuffs for an entire flight from Australia have been slammed by a politician as an attack on their human rights.

A group of 12 detainees from Christmas Island arrived at Auckland International Airport on a charter flight on Thursday morning, with eight of them placed on supervision orders under a new monitoring regime.

Police and Corrections met the offenders on arrival to put them through a rigorous processing and induction process.

The offenders were spotted coming off the plane in handcuffs, and there have been suggestions they were handcuffed for the duration of the flight from Australia.

 

[Mofra]

The progressives fought hard to bring Islamic migrants to Europe. They ought to be credited with bringing the realities of the Middle East to the heart of Europe.

Actually free market and neo-liberal ideology is based on the free movement of capital - including human capital.
I know arguing with an out and proud far-right bigot is unlikely to be met with anything approaching a coherent reply, but simply blaming "the left" for a phenomenon that has occurred for thousands of years throughout human history (immigration) is absurd.

Especially noting the country making the biggest contribution to taking in displaced people - Germany - has been led by a stable centre-right leader for many years.