the list

[jc67]

The list.
Please help modify it down to the guys who played 200 or more between 1970 and 1990.
I will do my bit, Who's in?

This is a good start but a bit of guess work might still be needed to make a shortlist before we start looking for old budgets.


200 game SANFL players
Mr J T Taylor Glenelg
Mr C H Richens Glenelg
Mr D K Phillis Glenelg
Mr B G Colbey Glenelg
Mr P F Marker Glenelg
Mr R H Voigt Glenelg
Mr W Phillis Glenelg
Mr P Anderson Glenelg
Mr G S Cornes OAM Glenelg
Mr N Caldwell Glenelg
Mr P Carey Glenelg
Mr K Kuhlmann Glenelg
Mr J MacFarlane Glenelg
Mr W Stringer Glenelg
Mr S Copping Glenelg
Mr D Marshall Glenelg
Mr J Schneebichler Glenelg
Mr P Weston Glenelg
Mr C McDermott Glenelg
Mr K H Hodgeman Glenelg
Mr J D Seebohm Glenelg
Mr D Hewitt Glenelg
Mr R L Gibbs Glenelg
Mr A G Symonds Glenelg
Mr C Lamb Glenelg
Mr S J Salisbury Glenelg
Mr P J Maynard Glenelg
Mr C Duthy Glenelg
Mr G Christie Glenelg
Mr N Chigwidden Glenelg
Mr J West Glenelg
Mr A Bartlett Glenelg
Mr S Hele Glenelg
Mr K Farmer North Adelaide
Mr D Lindner North Adelaide
Mr B Barbary North Adelaide/Woodville
Mr R A Hammond North Adelaide
Mr B Jaworskyj North Adelaide
Mr T C VonBertouch North Adelaide/Norwood
Mr B Robran MBE North Adelaide
Mr B Stringer North Adelaide
Mr M Redden North Adelaide
Mr D Tiller North Adelaide
Mr D H A Gilbourne North Adelaide
Dr J L Riley North Adelaide
Mr T I Clisby North Adelaide
Mr P G Arnold North Adelaide
Mr D Hart North Adelaide/Central
Mr P R Bennett North Adelaide
Mr K Klomp North Adelaide/Sturt
Mr D J Sanders North Adelaide
Mr T Hill North Adelaide/W-Torrens
Mr B Phillips North Adelaide
Mr R G Kneebone Norwood
Mr K A Wedding Norwood
Mr R R Oatey Norwood
Mr R Woodcock Norwood
Mr B Winter Norwood
Mr M Taylor Norwood
Dr M Gregg Norwood
Mr N Button Norwood
Mr G Nicholson Norwood
Mr P Gallagher Norwood
Mr J Wynne Norwood
Mr F Stemper Norwood
Mr N Craig Norwood
Mr J L Michalanney Norwood
Mr M C Aish Norwood
Mr T P Warhurst Norwood
Mr K Thomas Norwood
Mr N Roberts Norwood
Mr J A Scanlon Norwood
Mr C Balme Norwood
Mr G McIntosh Norwood
Mr A Jarman Norwood
Mr J D’Antiochia Norwood
Mr D Jenkins Norwood
Mr J A Halbert MBE Sturt
Mr V T Short Sturt
Mr R F Schoff Sturt
Mr R M Rigney Sturt
Mr D J Hicks OAM Sturt
Mr B C Adcock Sturt
Mr P L Bagshaw OBE Sturt
Mr P M Nelson Sturt
Mr J P Murphy Sturt
Mr A P Burgan Sturt
Mr M Greenslade Sturt
Mr M Nunan Sturt
Mr E R Davies Sturt
Mr C Casey Sturt
Mr M Graham Sturt
Mr T Sims Sturt
Mr E Fry Sturt
Mr J C Paynter Sturt
Mr R J Klomp Sturt
Mr G L Whittlesea Sturt
Mr D Smith Sturt
Mr J Richter Sturt
Mr C Thredgold Sturt
Mr B Atkinson Sturt
Mr B Lennon Sturt
Mr D Woosnam Sturt
Mr A Geddes Sturt

 

[-VC-]

I've been working on Glenelg for most of the day as I mentioned in the 'petition' thread and this is what I've come up with.

Players that did not fit the time frame
Taylor, Richens, Colbey, Gibbs () , Symonds, Duthy, Chigwidden, West, Bartlett, Hele. I also discovered through another source (yet still on the SANFL site strangely enough) a couple more players that played 200 for the Bays but didn't fit the time frame - Hunt, Johnston and Crabb.

Players that do fit the time frame
Fred Phillis, Cornes rolleyes: ), Caldwell, Carey, MacFarlane, Copping, Marshall, Hodgeman, Seebohm. There's also McDermott who fits as a 100 game Crow and a 200 game Glenelg player.

Players I'm unsure about - close calls
Marker - 239 games 1967-78
Voigt - 257 games 1967-79
Wayne Phillis - 218 games 1967-77
Salisbury - 241/248 games (conflicting resources) 1983-92
P.Maynard - 196/217 games (conflicting resources) 1982-91

I guess if someone has year books from those particular years then that would help pinpoint. It is very unlikely that W.Phillis will meet the criteria though.

Others on that list but did not reach 200 with Glenelg
Kuhlmann (102)
Stringer (145)
Weston (196)
Hewett (121)
Christie (101)
Anderson (less than 100)

I couldn't find any info on Clayton Lamb. I did find a list that had all of Glenelg's 100 game players and he wasn't even on that (nor was Schneebichler, but I found info that indicated he played with South Adelaide). I have a 1991 Clayton Lamb Crows card somewhere in storage. If it comes down to it as I recall it had his SANFL stats on the back up to the end of 1990 as the Crows hadn't played any games when the cards were made. I'll just have to find my box of cards...

Also, please forgive any ignorance in my research. I learnt a hell of a lot in doing it, but because I've always lived in Victoria I've never seen a lot of SANFL and was largely unfamiliar with the names I was working with.

 

[Markthirtytwo]

Players that do fit the time frame
Cornes rolleyes: )

Do you think he will keep trying until he gets it right with producing another son?

 

[dogs105]

Do you want to prune out people with no eligible kids as well yet, or just on 200 games in the time frame for now?

Paul Bagshaw's son is in his 30s now. (Played for Sturt as a 17 year old in 1991).

 

[GoSarge]

EDIT: Are North Adelaide aligned to the Crows ?

I posted this in another thread.

- These players played 200 games, but too many BEFORE the eligibility period.
Halbert, Short, Schoff, Rigney, Hicks, Adcock, Nelson, Murphy, Burgan.

- These players played 200 games, but too many AFTER the eligibility period.
D. Smith, C. Thredgold. B.Atkinson. B.Lennon. D. Woosnam. A.Geddes

- These players are NOT eligible but WOULD BE if you didn’t have to play the 200 games with the ONE club :

M. Greenslade.(Sturt and Glenelg) M. Nunan (Sturt, North and Norwood). E. Fry (Sturt and South)

- These players are definitely eligible :

P Bagshaw. R Davies. C Casey. M. Graham. J Paynter. R Klomp, Greg Whittlesea.

 

[dogs105]

I posted this in another thread.

- These players played 200 games, but too many BEFORE the eligibility period.
Halbert, Short, Schoff, Rigney, Hicks, Adcock, Nelson, Murphy, Burgan.

- These players played 200 games, but too many AFTER the eligibility period.
D. Smith, C. Thredgold. B.Atkinson. B.Lennon. D. Woosnam. A.Geddes

- These players are NOT eligible but WOULD BE if you didn’t have to play the 200 games with the ONE club :

M. Greenslade.(Sturt and Glenelg) M. Nunan (Sturt, North and Norwood). E. Fry (Sturt and South)

- These players are definitely eligible :

P Bagshaw. R Davies. C Casey. M. Graham. J Paynter. R Klomp, Greg Whittlesea.

Was he the Crows first ever draft pick?

 

[cro_Magnum]

Was he the Crows first ever draft pick?

Jim West was taken 6 in the 92 midseason draft, and Andrew Geddes at 21 in that draft. He was the 1st non-South Australian in the squad.

The 1st taken in the proper draft ie. the 92 end of season draft was Martin McKinnon at 26. We also got Matthew Powell, Brooke Fogden, Sam Smart and Michael Godden - what a draft!

 

[ignoranus]

Only about half of the players eligible for Crows F/S under the SANFL rule are likely to have children in the right age group to be selected by the Crows (ie. turning 17 in 2002 - 2010). I analysed the list for Sturt and Glenelg. This is just a ballpark figure, of course. I remind people not to take such lists of 200 gamers as gospel since AFC has said they have had problems with the accuracy of the data they were using. So if they did, we certainly will too.

 

[baaaallllll]

Just to throw a spanner in the works.....

Do we miss out on anyone if we change the F/S rule from 70 - 90 to 71 - 91. I.e Player XYZ played 200 games from 70 - 90 but not from 71 - 91?

 

[GoSarge]

Just to throw a spanner in the works.....

Do we miss out on anyone if we change the F/S rule from 70 - 90 to 71 - 91. I.e Player XYZ played 200 games from 70 - 90 but not from 71 - 91?

The reality is, if a FATHER does miss out because of the period change, then a potential son would more than likely way too old to draft.

 

[baaaallllll]

Is Shlinder on the list

 

[Markthirtytwo]

Is Shlinder on the list

If he was, I'm sure he would be helping old players' sons eligible for the dark side playing for the Crows.

 

[tribey]

He was the 1st non-South Australian in the squad.

Non-previously SANFL based player you mean?

I'm being pedantic I know, but Scott Lee and Wayne Wiedemann were initially Victorians, John Klug a Tasmanian, and so on and so forth.

 

[Malibu#27]

I'm not sure what port people would think - I haven't asked, but another way to attack the father son in this state would be:

Port - gets sons of all Port magpies having played 100 games (in line with Vic clubs) with similar cut of dates (i.e played 100 games prior to 97) - no cutoff for when the player has to be drafted.

Adelaide gets all other clubs players with 200 qualification. No cutoff for when they have to be drafted, but must have played the 200 prior to 91.


Reason I was thinking this way, is due to occassion that Ross Gibbs complained and had Glenelg aligned to AFC instead of PAFC. Would father sons from other non-Port Magpie clubs want their father son selections going to Port or Adelaide.... and more precisely what relationship does say WestAdelaide have with Port Adelaide.

Would this work or would the AFL then increase the number of games played to qualify for AFC.

 

[Lefty]

I've been working on Glenelg for most of the day as I mentioned in the 'petition' thread and this is what I've come up with.

Players that did not fit the time frame
Taylor, Richens, Colbey, Gibbs () , Symonds, Duthy, Chigwidden, West, Bartlett, Hele. I also discovered through another source (yet still on the SANFL site strangely enough) a couple more players that played 200 for the Bays but didn't fit the time frame - Hunt, Johnston and Crabb.

Players that do fit the time frame
Fred Phillis, Cornes rolleyes: ), Caldwell, Carey, MacFarlane, Copping, Marshall, Hodgeman, Seebohm. There's also McDermott who fits as a 100 game Crow and a 200 game Glenelg player.

Players I'm unsure about - close calls
Marker - 239 games 1967-78
Voigt - 257 games 1967-79
Wayne Phillis - 218 games 1967-77
Salisbury - 241/248 games (conflicting resources) 1983-92
P.Maynard - 196/217 games (conflicting resources) 1982-91

I guess if someone has year books from those particular years then that would help pinpoint. It is very unlikely that W.Phillis will meet the criteria though.

Others on that list but did not reach 200 with Glenelg
Kuhlmann (102)
Stringer (145)
Weston (196)
Hewett (121)
Christie (101)
Anderson (less than 100)

I couldn't find any info on Clayton Lamb. I did find a list that had all of Glenelg's 100 game players and he wasn't even on that (nor was Schneebichler, but I found info that indicated he played with South Adelaide). I have a 1991 Clayton Lamb Crows card somewhere in storage. If it comes down to it as I recall it had his SANFL stats on the back up to the end of 1990 as the Crows hadn't played any games when the cards were made. I'll just have to find my box of cards...

Also, please forgive any ignorance in my research. I learnt a hell of a lot in doing it, but because I've always lived in Victoria I've never seen a lot of SANFL and was largely unfamiliar with the names I was working with.

Vic Crow, I'm fairly certain that Clayton Lamb played for West Adelaide before moving to Glenelg.

John Schneebichler did play for South Adelaide before, very late in his career, moving to Glenelg. Schneebichler would have only played a season (or two) at best for the Bays.

That's why both their Glenelg game statistics will be low.

Bear in mind there is nothing on either the West Adelaide website or the South Adelaide website that says anything about their past players.

 

[tribey]

Vic Crow, I'm fairly certain that Clayton Lamb played for West Adelaide before moving to Glenelg.

From the Crows 1991 Yearbook (p.27):

Clayton Lamb:

Games: 200 - Glenelg 23, West Adelaide 174, State 3.

 

[-VC-]

From the Crows 1991 Yearbook (p.27):

Clayton Lamb:

Games: 200 - Glenelg 23, West Adelaide 174, State 3.

Interesting that the SANFL have him as a 200 game player, but that includes state games. I think we've come to the conclusion that state games do not count.

 

[jc67]

1st edit.
Most of what I've got so far has been through the 200 game list on the SANFL site, (it includes state games)
Then referanced through the legends section of footysa.
I have only marked yes to the players who definatly played over 200 club games (one club) between 1970 and 1990.

I really doubt that the club's records are any better than internet searching, If infact anyone is even checking.

Thanks for the help so far.



Mr D K Phillis Glenelg
Mr P F Marker Glenelg yes
Mr R H Voigt Glenelg
Mr W Phillis Glenelg
Mr G S Cornes OAM Glenelg yes
Mr P Carey Glenelg yes
Mr J MacFarlane Glenelg yes
Mr S Copping Glenelg
Mr D Marshall Glenelg yes
Mr J Schneebichler Glenelg
Mr P Weston Glenelg no???
Mr C McDermott Glenelg yes yes
Mr K H Hodgeman Glenelg yes
Mr J D Seebohm Glenelg
Mr S J Salisbury Glenelg
Mr P J Maynard Glenelg
Mr M Redden North Adelaide yes
Mr D H A Gilbourne North Adelaide
Dr J L Riley North Adelaide yes
Mr T I Clisby North Adelaide yes
Mr P G Arnold North Adelaide
Mr D Hart North Adelaide/Central
Mr P R Bennett North Adelaide
Mr K Klomp North Adelaide/Sturt
Mr D J Sanders North Adelaide
Mr B Phillips North Adelaide
Mr B Winter Norwood yes
Mr M Taylor Norwood
Dr M Gregg Norwood
Mr N Button Norwood
Mr G Nicholson Norwood
Mr P Gallagher Norwood yes
Mr J Wynne Norwood yes
Mr F Stemper Norwood
Mr N Craig Norwood/Sturt how mant at norwood then sturt?
Mr J L Michalanney Norwood
Mr M C Aish Norwood yes
Mr T P Warhurst Norwood
Mr K Thomas Norwood yes
Mr N Roberts Norwood Doubt it
Mr J A Scanlon Norwood
Mr C Balme Norwood
Mr G McIntosh Norwood
Mr A Jarman Norwood/North
Mr J D’Antiochia Norwood
Mr D Jenkins Norwood
Mr R F Schoff Sturt
Mr R M Rigney Sturt
Mr B C Adcock Sturt
Mr P L Bagshaw OBE Sturt yes
Mr P M Nelson Sturt
Mr A P Burgan Sturt yes
Mr E R Davies Sturt/South yes
Mr M Graham Sturt yes
Mr T Sims Sturt
Mr E Fry Sturt
Mr J C Paynter Sturt yes
Mr R J Klomp Sturt yes
Mr G L Whittlesea Sturt yes
Mr D Smith Sturt
Mr J Richter Sturt
Mr C Thredgold Sturt
Mr B Lennon Sturt
Mr D Woosnam Sturt
C.Casey yes
Shlinder

 

[Leaping Lindner]

EDIT: Are North Adelaide aligned to the Crows ?

I posted this in another thread.

- These players played 200 games, but too many BEFORE the eligibility period.
Halbert, Short, Schoff, Rigney, Hicks, Adcock, Nelson, Murphy, Burgan.

- These players played 200 games, but too many AFTER the eligibility period.
D. Smith, C. Thredgold. B.Atkinson. B.Lennon. D. Woosnam. A.Geddes

- These players are NOT eligible but WOULD BE if you didn’t have to play the 200 games with the ONE club :

M. Greenslade.(Sturt and Glenelg) M. Nunan (Sturt, North and Norwood). E. Fry (Sturt and South)

- These players are definitely eligible :

P Bagshaw. R Davies. C Casey. M. Graham. J Paynter. R Klomp, Greg Whittlesea.

NO! Which rules out Mick Redden's boy Dennis for us anyway. The good news though (looking far into the future) is that the "little Jarmans" should qualify as Crows F/S.
As a matter of interest Mick Nunan's son Tim did play SANFL for North (1991-1998) he was a handy rover and a dual best and fairest.

 

[Leaping Lindner]

Mr P Weston Glenelg
Mr N Craig Norwood/Sturt how mant at norwood then sturt?

PAUL WESTON
(281 SANFL GAMES 1973-1982;1986-1989)
Glenelg 196(73-82); West Torrens 49(86-88); Norwood 23(89); State 13
(60 VFL GAMES 1983-1985)
Essendon 60 Games

NEIL CRAIG
(330 SANFL GAMES 1973-1990)
Norwood 124 (73-79); Sturt 134 (80-86); North Adelaide 61(88-90); State 11)

 

[NikkiNoo]

NO! Which rules out Mick Redden's boy Dennis for us anyway. The good news though (looking far into the future) is that the "little Jarmans" should qualify as Crows F/S.
As a matter of interest Mick Nunan's son Tim did play SANFL for North (1991-1998) he was a handy rover and a dual best and fairest.

Tim was in my geography class at school - did not like a girl being better at footy tipping than him

 

[Nige_Bix]

Vic Crow, I'm fairly certain that Clayton Lamb played for West Adelaide before moving to Glenelg.

John Schneebichler did play for South Adelaide before, very late in his career, moving to Glenelg. Schneebichler would have only played a season (or two) at best for the Bays.

That's why both their Glenelg game statistics will be low.

Bear in mind there is nothing on either the West Adelaide website or the South Adelaide website that says anything about their past players.

and Keith Kulhmann started at Westies and played a number of games for them before going to the Bay.

 

[Leaping Lindner]

I've been working on Glenelg for most of the day as I mentioned in the 'petition' thread and this is what I've come up with.

Players that did not fit the time frame
Taylor, Richens, Colbey, Gibbs () , Symonds, Duthy, Chigwidden, West, Bartlett, Hele. I also discovered through another source (yet still on the SANFL site strangely enough) a couple more players that played 200 for the Bays but didn't fit the time frame - Hunt, Johnston and Crabb.

Players that do fit the time frame
Fred Phillis, Cornes rolleyes: ), Caldwell, Carey, MacFarlane, Copping, Marshall, Hodgeman, Seebohm. There's also McDermott who fits as a 100 game Crow and a 200 game Glenelg player.

Players I'm unsure about - close calls
Marker - 239 games 1967-78
Voigt - 257 games 1967-79
Wayne Phillis - 218 games 1967-77
Salisbury - 241/248 games (conflicting resources) 1983-92
P.Maynard - 196/217 games (conflicting resources) 1982-91

I guess if someone has year books from those particular years then that would help pinpoint. It is very unlikely that W.Phillis will meet the criteria though.

Others on that list but did not reach 200 with Glenelg
Kuhlmann (102)
Stringer (145)
Weston (196)
Hewett (121)
Christie (101)
Anderson (less than 100)

I couldn't find any info on Clayton Lamb. I did find a list that had all of Glenelg's 100 game players and he wasn't even on that (nor was Schneebichler, but I found info that indicated he played with South Adelaide). I have a 1991 Clayton Lamb Crows card somewhere in storage. If it comes down to it as I recall it had his SANFL stats on the back up to the end of 1990 as the Crows hadn't played any games when the cards were made. I'll just have to find my box of cards...

Also, please forgive any ignorance in my research. I learnt a hell of a lot in doing it, but because I've always lived in Victoria I've never seen a lot of SANFL and was largely unfamiliar with the names I was working with.

Scheebichler played a whole 25 games for Glenelg (234 for South and 5 for the state).
Kuhlmann played 102 for Glenelg; 128 for West and 4 for the state

 

[Leaping Lindner]

Interesting that the SANFL have him as a 200 game player, but that includes state games. I think we've come to the conclusion that state games do not count.

Yes, but the SANFL include state games to make up membership of the SANFL 200 club (which is nothing to do with the AFL). Lamb went onto play another 11 games with the Bays in 91 (but thats outside our alotted era).

 

[Leaping Lindner]

Tim was in my geography class at school - did not like a girl being better at footy tipping than him

Ah! You are giving away your age there!!!