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[Dale147]

Cam and Worsfold

 

[Dale147]

WAFC

 

[Dale147]

WAFC editorial

 

[Dale147]

Willo

 

[Paracleet]

WAFC editorial

Footy Commission given an absolute working over by the West editors there not.

 

[ignoramus]

Tipping with your head vs tipping with your heart

 

[Fat Nyfe]

Tipping with your head vs tipping with your heart

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Barlow needs to sort himself out, tipped us for the spoon and is now tipping us to beat the reigning premiers

 

[Joao]

Tipping with your head vs tipping with your heart

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I don't think he is using his heart, I think he has tapped into wherever stupid is found.

If we weren't off 4 days and fully fit, I'd have us 3-1 outsiders at best. Wouldn't touch us below 20-1 as it is.

 

[Paracleet]

I don't think he is using his heart, I think he has tapped into wherever stupid is found.

If we weren't off 4 days and fully fit, I'd have us 3-1 outsiders at best. Wouldn't touch us below 20-1 as it is.

Unlike Hayden he is trying to write a syndicated column every week. If he snags a unlikely tip every round or two, well, it's a much easier life when it writes itself.

 

[Daddoo]

WAFC

I would appreciate if someone could lend some context to this. I’m not very familiar with how things are run or how WAFC is funded so it’s hard for me to pick up what the issues are. Seems like his big beef is that the boards of Freo and WC are not determined by the members but are chosen based on friendships, etc...and they get paid too much. Hardly “explosive”. Not that uncommon in the business world. It’s not what you know it’s who you know. Lol.

I also can’t see how it’s hurting the development of footy in WA. What is the parliamentary investigation really about? How money was spent? I’d love for someone to clarify for me.


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[showemhowtorock]

Cant help but love the kid but his managers hand must be stuck to his forehead with all the facepalms he does on account of Cam

my thoughts exactly, when i read it i let out a deep sigh i'd been holding in

 

[Ge3ks]

Cant help but love the kid but his managers hand must be stuck to his forehead with all the facepalms he does on account of Cam

I feel bad for him, i don't think this is helping his cause at all :/

Cam- ''Playing AFL is too hard." then "Collingwood, if you are listening..."

He might be the nicest guy ever, but he is soft as midday butter.

 

[Dale147]

Fremantle coach Justin Longmuir demands umpires protect Nat Fyfe after weekend’s mauling

Craig O'DonoghueThe West Australian
Tue, 1 September 2020 9:38AMComments
Craig O'Donoghue
Fremantle coach Justin Longmuir has called for star captain Nat Fyfe to receive more protection from umpires after he was mauled against Greater Western Sydney on Saturday.
Former Docker Matt de Boer tagged Fyfe, kept him to only four disposals in the first half and 11 for the game, as his close checking tactics stopped the star on-baller from having any impact on the game.
While Fyfe’s lack of possessions highlighted the tagging success, Longmuir said Fyfe was consistently held around stoppages and he deserved to be protected.

“If it continues, we need to follow it up because I think he’s unfairly treated to simply put it. The other mids in the comp get looked after more than him,” Longmuir said.

“The way he goes about his business masks a lot of the treatment that he gets because he just gets on with his business and he’s in the next moment.

Nat Fyfe puts hand up at Fremantle training in Cairns.
“He doesn’t dwell on it too much. He doesn’t look for fights. He doesn’t look to argue with umpires. The way he handles himself on the field with the treatment that he gets is first class.

“But it’s been going on for a while and all we ask is that he gets a fair crack at it.”

Longmuir said the four-day break between games and flight to Queensland meant he hadn’t had time to speak to the AFL umpiring department about his concerns this week.

But he said the players understood they needed to do more to protect their skipper. Defender Nathan Wilson made it clear yesterday that he wouldn’t let a tagger get away with holding Fyfe again.

The Dockers will play Richmond at Metricon Stadium tomorrow night and key defender Luke Ryan appears likely to play despite injuring his hip against GWS.

Luke Ryan celebrates a goal at Fremantle training in Cairns.
Ryan trained freely today and Longmuir said he’d recovered well.

“He’s very keen to play and he’s improved rapidly over the last couple of days so the signs are promising,” Lomgmuir said.

“I know how competitive and courageous and tough he is so I always thought he was a chance.

“It’s just a bruise. It’s pretty much a cork. He’s had treatment daily on that and it’s heading in the right direction.”

Jesse Hogan, Michael Frederick and Blake Acres were all part of the reduced training squad today. Brett Bewley watched from the sidelined.

Fremantle’s team will be named tonight.

 

[G Mus]

Fyfe didn’t even cop a hard tag, not sure why Wilson and now JL are speaking on it

 

[Wilksyy]

Here ya go, it was in the west as well.

Inside story: Why the Saints didn’t draft Christian Petracca with the No.1 pick in 2014
Sam LandsbergerHerald Sun
Mon, 31 August 2020 6:40AM
St Kilda knocked back a huge trade with GWS to keep pick 1 in the 2014 draft with an eye on explosive midfielder Christian Petracca. But by draft day the Saints had changed their mind. What happened?

The explosive matchwinner topped the Saints’ talent board for most of the season, with their rankings taking shape from July.

In the trade period they knocked back Greater Western Sydney’s offer of picks four and seven for No.1, with Petracca in pole position.

And if coach Brett Ratten could cherry-pick a rival star to help transform his team from likely finalist to premiership threat, there wouldn’t be many players in front of Petracca.
Petracca is the dynamic bull who puts bums on seats, and both his career trajectory and playing style are starting to fit Dustin Martin’s mould.
So with the goalposts removed and cricket pitches uncovered, why did the Saints swing towards Paddy McCartin?
The consensus has long been that the Saints were spooked by the inflated price of key forwards.
In the space of 12 months Sydney signed Lance Franklin on a nine-year deal worth $10 million and Western Bulldogs poached reigning No.1 pick Tom Boyd on a seven-year deal worth close to $7 million.

Most clubs ranked Christian Petracca and Angus Brayshaw as the best prospects in 2014. But St Kilda crowned Paddy McCartin the No. 1 pick. Credit: News Corp Australia
“If we go for the best player and we think Petracca is in front, we’re going to have to pay a million plus to get the forward we need,” former coach Alan Richardson said before the draft.
“The market is saying that. So let’s get one in now and get him to fall in love with our footy club.”
Chief executive Matt Finnis played devil’s advocate, arguing that if Petracca immediately improved the Saints then perhaps they could buy a full-forward for cheaper as a destination club.
But there was another off-field factor contributing to the bold draft call.
In 2014 the Saints hired former AFL Players’ Association wellbeing services manager Matti Clements.
The AFL had recently banned clubs from issuing written psychology tests, however this was loosely policed and many continued to do so.
But it was not a breach of the rule to conduct verbal tests, which Clements did for the Saints.
McCartin passed in flying colours. Petracca didn’t.
“(McCartin’s) personality and the way his teammates talk about him reminds me a lot of Luke Hodge,” Richardson said.
“He’s probably not as blunt as Luke, but he comes across to me as someone who’s honest in what he says and does.”
Red flags emerged on Petracca.
Former Saints list manager Ameet Bains and recruiter Tony Elshaug started to question whether Petracca would fit their environment.
Why did the psych test reveal an eagerness for Petracca to promote himself ahead of teammates? Were there selfish traits?
Did his antics at the 3km time-trial – ensuring everybody knew he was sore – highlight immaturity? A lack of mental strength?
How come he completed extra training in isolation instead of with teammates?
Petracca seemed to enjoy attention. Would his personality blend in at St Kilda?
“We take the view that the character assessment is critical,” Bains said at the time.
“And with pick one you go to deeper lengths in terms of the people you speak to, in terms of ensuring cross references as you see it, psychologist’s reports, personality reports, interviews, speaking to whoever you think might be relevant.”
But unlike data from physical testing, psychology results are subjective.
In 2015 an elite prospect passed at the club which selected him and failed at a club from his home state.
Same player, different result.
The AFL was also becoming concerned at the coaching going on before the written tests it was conducting.
A sameness emerged in the results because either parents or junior clubs were tutoring prospects on how to answer questions.
The question for St Kilda is were Petracca’s answers a legitimate red flag based on expert opinion or merely an amber light?
Other clubs agree there was a mental question mark, and – under Elshaug and Bains – you couldn’t accuse the Saints of not doing their homework.
They worked themselves to the knuckle that draft and, importantly, the premiership model at the time included a power forward.
Elshaug warned that without a quality goalkicker their vision of returning to finals in 2018 would blow out to 2025.
Did the Saints, perhaps subconsciously, sway towards filling a need instead of taking the best player?
And how much weighting should be given to a psych test?
That should hinge on how hard the talent is to split, although Melbourne probably wishes it placed a greater emphasis when assessing Jimmy Toumpas in 2012.
For Petracca there were also plenty of ticks.

Petracca has blossomed into one of the AFL’s best players this year, while McCartin has been delisted. Credit: AAP
He had the drive to take on employment as a barista at the MCG for the life experience, while the definition in his leg muscles pointed to elite training standards.
It has taken Petracca six years to show his AFL potential, albeit with 2015 lost to a knee reconstruction, but he is now the second favourite for the Brownlow Medal.
Since making his debut Petracca has played 97 out of a possible 98 games. How is that for mental resilience?
The 2014 psych test was completed as an aspirational teenager. What would his results show now, as a more balanced 24-year-old?
The McCartin story is a sad one. An unquestionable talent who was cut down by endless concussions and has now been delisted.
But some of McCartin’s St Kilda teammates believe alarm bells were ringing before those head knocks interfered.
Did McCartin apply himself in a similar manner to Nick Riewoldt when he was drafted at No. 1 pick in 2000?
Was McCartin strict on his diet and diabetes management? Or was he too lackadaisical in football and in life?
In 2014 some at the Saints were privately unsure whether McCartin’s junior dominance would transfer to senior football.

He was a man-child with a distinct physical advantage. Would that carry through when he was playing against men 10 years older than him?
Tony Lockett and Shane Mumford were able to bully AFL opponents just as they did junior opponents.
But ardent Port Adelaide supporters will remember Northern Knights product Ryan Willits as an early draft pick who couldn’t transfer that advantage.
McCartin was more bulk than prowess, whereas Max King never had that concern because he is athletic.
It is why King, before his knee injury, was widely viewed as the likely No. 1 pick in a strong draft and McCartin wasn’t.
If the Saints settled on Petracca then Melbourne was expected to pass on McCartin at the next two picks, taking Angus Brayshaw and Jake Lever instead.
One recruiter recalled his rankings this week – Isaac Heeney (Sydney academy), Darcy Moore (Collingwood father-son), Petracca, Angus Brayshaw and then McCartin at No.5.
“We didn’t have Paddy anywhere near that high (No.1),” another club said.
“If we had pick one we would’ve been choosing between Christian and Brayshaw. If it was an open draft then (Isaac) Heeney and (Darcy) Moore would’ve been No.1 and 2.”

Great read, cheers for posting. I feel kind of bad for Richardson here, I could be wrong but I don't think he was that sold on McCartin as St Kilda's list management and I'm pretty sure he was responsible in recruiting Tim Membrey over from the Swans.

Anyway, all I remember from that draft year was Eddie McGuire having a sook over Heeney and the Swans academy pick nevermind the fact that Collingwood got Darcy Moore with a F/S selection.

 

[Monument Hills]

Fyfe didn’t even cop a hard tag, not sure why Wilson and now JL are speaking on it

you're bordering on a strawman

"Longmuir said Fyfe was consistently held around stoppages" Holding a player without the ball is a free.

 

[mightymouse75]

Fyfe didn’t even cop a hard tag, not sure why Wilson and now JL are speaking on it

Did not watch the game? He was getting held & scragged all over the ground.

 

[mightymouse75]

Cam- ''Playing AFL is too hard." then "Collingwood, if you are listening..."

He might be the nicest guy ever, but he is soft as midday butter.

Soft as a roasted marshmallow.
Hope he enjoys staying at a Rio camp when his dream of playing afl again dies.

 

[CapitalA]

Fyfe didn’t even cop a hard tag, not sure why Wilson and now JL are speaking on it

He was held off the ball at just about every stopage he attended with not a peep from the umps.

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[Nodgey]

That Danny Frawley story was very interesting too. So sad and I expect just the tip of the iceberg. [emoji3525]

 

[G Mus]

Did not watch the game? He was getting held & scragged all over the ground.

Yeah I was there and it’s one of my pet peeves, aside from the big one in the centre bounce I don’t think there was much extra attention than most hit-to mids get

you're bordering on a strawman

"Longmuir said Fyfe was consistently held around stoppages" Holding a player without the ball is a free.

Yeah maybe it was the framing of the media approach and Wilson’s comments that made it look like JL had an issue with tagging, the actual quotes themselves aren’t too bad

 

[Ben The Donkey]

I noticed in the "scragging highlights" vid they posted with that Fyfe article, they left a few things out. Notably Mumford. They could have made it look a lot worse, but chose to make it look like a soft complaint.
I'm happy JL said something.

 

[Hard Ball Get]

Sorry to Intrude...

Not sure what you guys do/dont get and this is well worth the read...

Analysis: What makes Dockers captain Nat Fyfe so good?

What makes Dockers captain Nat Fyfe so good?

Dual Brownlow Medal winner Nat Fyfe has done it all for Fremantle, but this year we're seeing a shift. Cody Atkinson and Sean Lawson look at what makes Fyfe so good, and why the weight of the purple is now evening out.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Tonga Bob]

Sorry to Intrude...

Not sure what you guys do/dont get and this is well worth the read...

Analysis: What makes Dockers captain Nat Fyfe so good?

What makes Dockers captain Nat Fyfe so good?

Dual Brownlow Medal winner Nat Fyfe has done it all for Fremantle, but this year we're seeing a shift. Cody Atkinson and Sean Lawson look at what makes Fyfe so good, and why the weight of the purple is now evening out.

www.abc.net.au

Was coming to post this article, was a beauty.

"Swiss Army Fyfe" is elite wordsmithery.

 

[muzzington]

I hope this bit of play is something that they can reproduce even more next year. Lachie has always been a great tackler and Mitch is getting more and more assured in front of goal.